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3/13/2026 12:24pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2026 12:25pm

I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...

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I wonder how long that pipe would last in the Romaniacs "adventure bike" category...

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3/13/2026 5:00pm Edited Date/Time 3/13/2026 5:04pm
BCE wrote:
fantic TZ125

Wow trellis frame, what was the story with that? Anyone else tried this in mx? Aprilia was offroad.

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Tumic wrote:
Jan de groot kx250 2004.He moved down the shock to get a straight intake.Saw that bike in person in Belgium 2004 when I was there.I believe...

Jan de groot kx250 2004.

He moved down the shock to get a straight intake.

Saw that bike in person in Belgium 2004 when I was there.

I believe that this picture is taken at the Uddevalla GP in 04.

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philG wrote:
I saw Eric Eggens race that in a British Championship at Lyng, guess it was the same year, it broke and he walked back with the...

I saw Eric Eggens race that in a British Championship at Lyng, guess it was the same year, it broke and he walked back with the spring in his hand . 

Its a long time ago, but i vaguely remember that it pulled the shock, not compressed it.  

If I remember it correctly it was Jan Gert Vandoorn that rode it when I was in Holland in late October 04. I think he did some testing for De Groot.


 

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3/14/2026 7:42pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2026 8:02pm
Tumic wrote:
The gen 4 alu framed CR that never made it to production.

The gen 4 alu framed CR that never made it to production.

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CR92 wrote:

Wait, what am I missing here? Would this have been an 08' on cr250 or something? 

I got into moto in 04'~05' so forgive my ignorance. 

Tumic wrote:
This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided...

This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided to pull the plug on the two stroke program around that time.

But if you look at the frame it's simular to the second gen crf frames.

I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to date).  I believe by then HRC had figured out the 02+ case reed engine. From my understanding the key was the electronic PV, engine specs & ECU map settings. It's too bad this bike never made it into production as Honda had started putting its efforts in the 4T..    I think he's now working as a test rider for Kawasaki.  

From my experience it doesn't take much to wake up a sleeping giant on the 02-07 CR250r's.  PC & Chad Watt's have excellent porting specs..

https://youtu.be/OztUc57HG-U?t=73

2008CR250r.jpg?VersionId=qfC
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3/14/2026 9:18pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2026 9:35pm
The pre production 05 cr125 Double Boost Port DBP.  The much anticipated DBP was scrapped at the last minute. Because of the Profeshenal level power out...

The pre production 05 cr125 Double Boost Port DBP.  The much anticipated DBP was scrapped at the last minute. Because of the Profeshenal level power out put it & the violent nature of the DBP. IMG 4121 7

Wandell wrote:

NEVER SAW OR HEARD ABOUT THIS. SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME THE SHORT VERSION OF ITS STORY

mtb133 wrote:
Why? No way is a CR125 of that gen beating an 80 in a drag race no matter how you mod it. Stock YZ would completely...

Why? No way is a CR125 of that gen beating an 80 in a drag race no matter how you mod it. Stock YZ would completely leave it in the dust. Worst 125s Honda ever made.

 

https://youtu.be/-TKktokW7hs

This 02 CR125 came in 2nd @ the Red Bull straight Rythm in 2019. Going off memory, the top 3 podium bikes left were this modded CR134 going against 2 modern 2019 KTM150 2T's..     

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Wilcomoto from 1980. Built by an engineering company in the UK and put into production, but a fire at the factory put a stop to everything...

Wilcomoto from 1980. Built by an engineering company in the UK and put into production, but a fire at the factory put a stop to everything. The whole thing was made from magnesium so the fire went off like a nuclear strike. Apparently it was a bit rough round the edges but had a lot of potential.

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Wow, Wilcomoto,  I remember reading about it in Motor Cycle News, around 1984 ish,  something along the lines of they where negotiating with Brad Lackey to race it. 
As MCN had a reputation of sometimes making stuff up and as a Brad Lackey fan I have  wondered about it over the years if it was true.

Always seemed a shame how his career ended with no ride…..

 

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Wow, Wilcomoto,  I remember reading about it in Motor Cycle News, around 1984 ish,  something along the lines of they where negotiating with Brad Lackey to...

Wow, Wilcomoto,  I remember reading about it in Motor Cycle News, around 1984 ish,  something along the lines of they where negotiating with Brad Lackey to race it. 
As MCN had a reputation of sometimes making stuff up and as a Brad Lackey fan I have  wondered about it over the years if it was true.

Always seemed a shame how his career ended with no ride…..

 

Go find the Brad Lackey Motocross Files episode - the extended one.

I'm pretty sure in that he discussed the situation after he'd finally won the world Championships - something he'd spent many years in achieving. Also there was a (2 part?) audio interview with him you can find on the 'We Went Fast' site that I think he goes into it all.

If I recall correctly, he Was in negotiations with Cagiva - asking  a Lot of money ( for the times - something like a 1 Million Dollar contract) for his services. Basically that, after achieving his ultimate goal, he was pretty much 'over it'  - unless he got paid what He required to continue with racing. He didn't get what he wanted, and walked away. 

He turned up at the next years USGP, tried an ATK in practice, but rode a YZ490. His last GP, was a French 250GP, in 1985, on a Yamaha, as far as I know. 

3/15/2026 2:08pm
Wilcomoto from 1980. Built by an engineering company in the UK and put into production, but a fire at the factory put a stop to everything...

Wilcomoto from 1980. Built by an engineering company in the UK and put into production, but a fire at the factory put a stop to everything. The whole thing was made from magnesium so the fire went off like a nuclear strike. Apparently it was a bit rough round the edges but had a lot of potential.

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vw57 wrote:
Wow, Wilcomoto,  I remember reading about it in Motor Cycle News, around 1984 ish,  something along the lines of they where negotiating with Brad Lackey to...

Wow, Wilcomoto,  I remember reading about it in Motor Cycle News, around 1984 ish,  something along the lines of they where negotiating with Brad Lackey to race it. 
As MCN had a reputation of sometimes making stuff up and as a Brad Lackey fan I have  wondered about it over the years if it was true.

Always seemed a shame how his career ended with no ride…..

 

They were out of the game well before 1984. They only ever built around 30 bikes.

 

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3/16/2026 2:38am
CR92 wrote:

Wait, what am I missing here? Would this have been an 08' on cr250 or something? 

I got into moto in 04'~05' so forgive my ignorance. 

Tumic wrote:
This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided...

This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided to pull the plug on the two stroke program around that time.

But if you look at the frame it's simular to the second gen crf frames.

H4L wrote:
I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to...

I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to date).  I believe by then HRC had figured out the 02+ case reed engine. From my understanding the key was the electronic PV, engine specs & ECU map settings. It's too bad this bike never made it into production as Honda had started putting its efforts in the 4T..    I think he's now working as a test rider for Kawasaki.  

From my experience it doesn't take much to wake up a sleeping giant on the 02-07 CR250r's.  PC & Chad Watt's have excellent porting specs..

https://youtu.be/OztUc57HG-U?t=73

2008CR250r.jpg?VersionId=qfC

His CR250 in Australia always had trick parts. I believe Taka has left Kawi and is back with HRC.

3/16/2026 3:40am
Tumic wrote:
This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided...

This was in 03 or 04 Honda raced this prototype in the Japanese championship. It probably never reached production due to the fact that Honda decided to pull the plug on the two stroke program around that time.

But if you look at the frame it's simular to the second gen crf frames.

H4L wrote:
I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to...

I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to date).  I believe by then HRC had figured out the 02+ case reed engine. From my understanding the key was the electronic PV, engine specs & ECU map settings. It's too bad this bike never made it into production as Honda had started putting its efforts in the 4T..    I think he's now working as a test rider for Kawasaki.  

From my experience it doesn't take much to wake up a sleeping giant on the 02-07 CR250r's.  PC & Chad Watt's have excellent porting specs..

https://youtu.be/OztUc57HG-U?t=73

2008CR250r.jpg?VersionId=qfC
CPR wrote:

His CR250 in Australia always had trick parts. I believe Taka has left Kawi and is back with HRC.

In his teens in Australia he was so fast. I was importing DEP exhausts for the shop I worked for and sponsored him. Great kid.

Keep an eye on Bella Burke. Helping her. She has had bad luck with injury. Hope she makes the MXGP in Darwin this year. Great kid 😊 

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H4L wrote:
I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to...

I believe Takeshi Katsuya raced it in 2003 in Japan.  He raves about the frame / chassis, suspension & engine (Best handling bike he's ridden to date).  I believe by then HRC had figured out the 02+ case reed engine. From my understanding the key was the electronic PV, engine specs & ECU map settings. It's too bad this bike never made it into production as Honda had started putting its efforts in the 4T..    I think he's now working as a test rider for Kawasaki.  

From my experience it doesn't take much to wake up a sleeping giant on the 02-07 CR250r's.  PC & Chad Watt's have excellent porting specs..

https://youtu.be/OztUc57HG-U?t=73

2008CR250r.jpg?VersionId=qfC
CPR wrote:

His CR250 in Australia always had trick parts. I believe Taka has left Kawi and is back with HRC.

In his teens in Australia he was so fast. I was importing DEP exhausts for the shop I worked for and sponsored him. Great kid.Keep an...

In his teens in Australia he was so fast. I was importing DEP exhausts for the shop I worked for and sponsored him. Great kid.

Keep an eye on Bella Burke. Helping her. She has had bad luck with injury. Hope she makes the MXGP in Darwin this year. Great kid 😊 

Taka was super impressive in juniors. 
DEP were an underrated exhaust, I used them regularly on bikes I built and often found them to outperform the bigger name brands. What shop was that? 
I’ll keep an eye out for Bella, can’t say I’ve heard of her.

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3/16/2026 4:20am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2026 6:50am
Bluelion wrote:
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Man that is uglier than ugly.😆

It Is incredibly Trick!

However, that "Engineering Abomination" that is the Telescopic Fork, still hangs in there - even with Road Race usage always being touted as needing an "alternative to the Tele."

And, just give thought to the rear end  'slop' you find, even on many bikes on the showroom floor, in the linkage of bikes.

That single shock Ribi Fork pictured, has at least 19 extra bearing / pivot points, than a Tele has. Cripes, the cost of 'zero' clearance ( well, there really is no such thing ) bearings / bushings  at each pivot point, would be mind boggling. Maintenance would be fun.......😬

I've always thought that I might try an adjustable  link arm floating brake like that pictured on the RC, on one of my DH frames, and my  PDS'd CRE, just for the s**ts and giggles. I use a Floating rear brake , sometimes on my DH bike, but, nowadays, rarely. It's only really of benefit when going at a lower pace on my DH bikes. My riders, years ago, found it - and it was a full, parallelogram set up, not some BS add on - of no benefit to them. But, some customers just Had  to have it, so, for a few hundred $ more, I'd sell them it. 

I Do run a floating rear brake on my (tar)Track Day MCs. 

To fastchookracing  CPR - Taka sounds more "OZ" than a lot of us - watching that Gypsy vid on Jo reminded me of that. He spent a lot of time here. Nice bloke, and a bit of a funny bugger, too!

 

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3/16/2026 4:33am Edited Date/Time 3/16/2026 4:34am
Bluelion wrote:
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Man that is uglier than ugly.😆

Bearuno wrote:
It Is incredibly Trick!However, that "Engineering Abomination" that is the Telescopic Fork, still hangs in there - even with Road Race usage always being touted as...

It Is incredibly Trick!

However, that "Engineering Abomination" that is the Telescopic Fork, still hangs in there - even with Road Race usage always being touted as needing an "alternative to the Tele."

And, just give thought to the rear end  'slop' you find, even on many bikes on the showroom floor, in the linkage of bikes.

That single shock Ribi Fork pictured, has at least 19 extra bearing / pivot points, than a Tele has. Cripes, the cost of 'zero' clearance ( well, there really is no such thing ) bearings / bushings  at each pivot point, would be mind boggling. Maintenance would be fun.......😬

I've always thought that I might try an adjustable  link arm floating brake like that pictured on the RC, on one of my DH frames, and my  PDS'd CRE, just for the s**ts and giggles. I use a Floating rear brake , sometimes on my DH bike, but, nowadays, rarely. It's only really of benefit when going at a lower pace on my DH bikes. My riders, years ago, found it - and it was a full, parallelogram set up, not some BS add on - of no benefit to them. But, some customers just Had  to have it, so, for a few hundred $ more, I'd sell them it. 

I Do run a floating rear brake on my (tar)Track Day MCs. 

To fastchookracing  CPR - Taka sounds more "OZ" than a lot of us - watching that Gypsy vid on Jo reminded me of that. He spent a lot of time here. Nice bloke, and a bit of a funny bugger, too!

 

He was a bit of a larrikin from what I remember.

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3/16/2026 5:45am Edited Date/Time 3/18/2026 7:03am

Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…

Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it for whatever reason. 

Around this time the CRF450L came out. A RMX450L would have been a much better “modern drz” than whatever sorry excuse they released instead. 

Edit: I’m talking rmx as a factory street legal dual sport. Not just “off-road” 

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Here is MC testing an EFI CRF in the 05-08 chassis. Would have been best of both worlds if they pulled it off in 08.

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RACING wrote:
I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...I wonder how long that pipe would last in...

I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...

HIGHLAND 450 MOTOCROSS7582%402xhighland2 e.jpg?VersionId=ctv uuxBOaBfK rOdsWh.p

I wonder how long that pipe would last in the Romaniacs "adventure bike" category...

🤔

Romaniac's? I wonder how long it lasted after he landed from this jump? Seems like it would smash the ground as soon as the forks and shock compressed. Looks like it weighs 400+ pounds, too.

3/17/2026 8:30pm Edited Date/Time 3/17/2026 8:31pm
RACING wrote:
I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...I wonder how long that pipe would last in...

I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...

HIGHLAND 450 MOTOCROSS7582%402xhighland2 e.jpg?VersionId=ctv uuxBOaBfK rOdsWh.p

I wonder how long that pipe would last in the Romaniacs "adventure bike" category...

🤔

Sully wrote:
Romaniac's? I wonder how long it lasted after he landed from this jump? Seems like it would smash the ground as soon as the forks and...

Romaniac's? I wonder how long it lasted after he landed from this jump? Seems like it would smash the ground as soon as the forks and shock compressed. Looks like it weighs 400+ pounds, too.

The claim in the article I read said it weighed in the 220s, it looks like it weighs more than an XR650

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Here is MC testing an EFI CRF in the 05-08 chassis. Would have been best of both worlds if they pulled it off in 08.

Here is MC testing an EFI CRF in the 05-08 chassis. Would have been best of both worlds if they pulled it off in 08.

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MC lookin fit right there

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RACING wrote:
I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...I wonder how long that pipe would last in...

I don't think lots of us have ever seen a Highland IRL, whether the mono or the twin...

HIGHLAND 450 MOTOCROSS7582%402xhighland2 e.jpg?VersionId=ctv uuxBOaBfK rOdsWh.p

I wonder how long that pipe would last in the Romaniacs "adventure bike" category...

🤔

Sully wrote:
Romaniac's? I wonder how long it lasted after he landed from this jump? Seems like it would smash the ground as soon as the forks and...

Romaniac's? I wonder how long it lasted after he landed from this jump? Seems like it would smash the ground as soon as the forks and shock compressed. Looks like it weighs 400+ pounds, too.

Rickyisms wrote:

The claim in the article I read said it weighed in the 220s, it looks like it weighs more than an XR650

Suppose they meant 220kg?(!) 

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Bluelion wrote:
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peanutt wrote:

Any one else notice the leaf spring suspension? look under the engine cradle

 

I noticed it but did not know wtf i was looking at. How would it have worked? 

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Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it...

Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…

Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it for whatever reason. 

Around this time the CRF450L came out. A RMX450L would have been a much better “modern drz” than whatever sorry excuse they released instead. 

Edit: I’m talking rmx as a factory street legal dual sport. Not just “off-road” 

3/18/2026 5:43am
Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it...

Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…

Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it for whatever reason. 

Around this time the CRF450L came out. A RMX450L would have been a much better “modern drz” than whatever sorry excuse they released instead. 

Edit: I’m talking rmx as a factory street legal dual sport. Not just “off-road” 

3strokemx wrote:

My friend had one that he would not give up on and kept putting money into it thinking it’d be in line with a KTM XC-F. I rode it once, gave it back and told him to quit while he could. Horrible bike for anything offroad. 

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Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it...

Not as exotic or moto, but I gotta will this into existence…

Heard more than one rumor Suzuki was testing a street legal RMX450, but scrapped it for whatever reason. 

Around this time the CRF450L came out. A RMX450L would have been a much better “modern drz” than whatever sorry excuse they released instead. 

Edit: I’m talking rmx as a factory street legal dual sport. Not just “off-road” 

3strokemx wrote:
Rickyisms wrote:
My friend had one that he would not give up on and kept putting money into it thinking it’d be in line with a KTM XC-F...

My friend had one that he would not give up on and kept putting money into it thinking it’d be in line with a KTM XC-F. I rode it once, gave it back and told him to quit while he could. Horrible bike for anything offroad. 

The Japanese OEM's spent about a decade promoting offroad "X" models that sadly missed the mark. Seems like it really benefitted KTM during that time.

3/18/2026 6:56am
Tumic wrote:
Jan de groot kx250 2004.He moved down the shock to get a straight intake.Saw that bike in person in Belgium 2004 when I was there.I believe...

Jan de groot kx250 2004.

He moved down the shock to get a straight intake.

Saw that bike in person in Belgium 2004 when I was there.

I believe that this picture is taken at the Uddevalla GP in 04.

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philG wrote:
I saw Eric Eggens race that in a British Championship at Lyng, guess it was the same year, it broke and he walked back with the...

I saw Eric Eggens race that in a British Championship at Lyng, guess it was the same year, it broke and he walked back with the spring in his hand . 

Its a long time ago, but i vaguely remember that it pulled the shock, not compressed it.  

Tumic wrote:
If I remember it correctly it was Jan Gert Vandoorn that rode it when I was in Holland in late October 04. I think he did...

If I remember it correctly it was Jan Gert Vandoorn that rode it when I was in Holland in late October 04. I think he did some testing for De Groot.


 

The guy on the bike is #8 Tanel Leok, he rode for the factory team and had a chance to try this shock. If i remember it correctly we talked about it a few times with Tanel and he only said that the bije always wanted to go forward, in the braking bumps the wheel didn't shoot up but more to the front. But yeah he only rode it in time practise and tested during the week. But do not take this as a 100% truth cause we where laughing hard when we raised the shock question

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CRFoot wrote:
Water cooled RM500

Water cooled RM500

I Love the RM,s too with the blue engines.  Just how good was the full floater rm125 suspension in 82 was it ? Before they changed...

I Love the RM,s too with the blue engines.  Just how good was the full floater rm125 suspension in 82 was it ? Before they changed it.   To a cheaper design. 

I rode a buddies 81 RM125 back in 82. I had just bought a brand new 82 CR250. e swapped bikes and that Full Floater was the best suspension I have ever ridden. Much better than that Pro Link on my Honda. I would say that Full Floater was the best I ever felt even up to now.

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3/18/2026 6:57pm
Sully wrote:
"...i vaguely remember that it pulled the shock, not compressed it."I'm glad my brain still understands a little bit of basic physics, because that's exactly...

"...i vaguely remember that it pulled the shock, not compressed it."

I'm glad my brain still understands a little bit of basic physics, because that's exactly what I thought when I saw that linkage. I wonder how the engineers thought that would work and not snap the spring at worst, or stretch it to holy hell at best, especially after it started to heat up.

@Robgvx given your background, I'm curious if that KX500 was the most exotic bike you had the chance to ride, and if not, what was?

Robgvx wrote:
I rode this once. It was pretty awesome. Whatever gear it was in, it seemed to have the same, smooth, linear thrust. Torquey, powerful, but very...

I rode this once. It was pretty awesome. Whatever gear it was in, it seemed to have the same, smooth, linear thrust. Torquey, powerful, but very controlled. 
 

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Rob, 

That is and will always be for me the utilmate MX bike.I drooled over it at Namur in 85/86.

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3/18/2026 7:04pm

Here one from KTM back in 1986. I was at the Luxembourg 500 GP and this guy (don't know the rider) was ripping around on it. It looked good, was laud as heck with the open megaphone. I loved it. Don't know why they didn't put it into production. It had a linkage way back then.

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mumbles wrote:
Here one from KTM back in 1986. I was at the Luxembourg 500 GP and this guy (don't know the rider) was ripping around on it...

Here one from KTM back in 1986. I was at the Luxembourg 500 GP and this guy (don't know the rider) was ripping around on it. It looked good, was laud as heck with the open megaphone. I loved it. Don't know why they didn't put it into production. It had a linkage way back then.

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George Reiter from Austria. Scored points at Sittendorf that year. 

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