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It doesn't follow the rule book, which is what ACTUALLY matters, but their explanation makes more sense than you're seeing.
They are basically saying because the lead in lights weren't on for the 450 guys, it's plausible they didn't see the flag in time so no penalty.
It's still absolutely ridiculous they aren't following the book, and it's BS to not penalize anyone. But their explanation ALMOST makes sense IF it was in the rule book. But it's not. So #neverchange
So the precedent set now is you can jump on red lights and Red Cross flags, despite the rule book saying otherwise. Got it…
My conspiracy theory: I'm pretty sure the AMA screwed up the lights and the flag in both races and the only way to cover it up is to act like nothing ever happened.
It's simple, the yellow and red lights are the same thing, mostly and sometimes.
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Could you guys imagine if it was Deegs and not Brown LMAO
Doesn't matter why the flag is out, there's no amended rule that someone must be gravely injured for the flag rules to apply. All it says is when the flag is present, you must roll. That's it, full stop
No it's not contradictory, it's crystal clear.
Crystal clear it is. Correct it is not.
Kinda like saying "the sky is blue because God chose that color". The explanation is crystal clear, but clarity doesn't imply correctness.
I'm beginning to think your name is Mike.
Make sure you pick up when you see a call from a 410 area code today LOL.
Sorry, but you are not a race director or know how the rules can and are applied. There are many things that can be adapted based on track and racing conditions.
Just because race length is stated in the book, you mean they shouldn't be allowed to shorten the race in case of bad weather?
In the rules it's also is room already for race director to make decisions around penalties. It isn't black and white, per the rules in the book, if you read everything.
Exactly, nothing different from having a yellow flag warning about a later red cross flag.
Really don't get why it's so hard to comprehend. Is it optimal? No. But its very clear.
But then again, its dirtbikers we are dealing with 😄
The only time this is not correct, is of the riders haven't gotten the information which I have heard, they have.
Otherwise, it's indisputable. They could have punished Tomac and the others, but would have gotten shit because the assigned lead in lights wasn't working. If they work in a pair, the correct thing is of course not to penalize.
Will see the aftermaths. Curious to Hondas take on this, Lars is a smart guy and we will hear if they haven't gotten the info I guess.
Go watch the post-race show, I dug up this info before the statement came out and heavily criticized their ruling. I stood outside of the AMA rig until midnight in the cold to get an interview and they wouldn’t do one.
I’m done with you, go pound sand, you’re such a dick. Everytime you criticize with the most asshole tone, get called out and crawl back saying how you’re not trying to start shit, you’re not a dick, etc.
You’re an internet dick, dude. Go touch grass and find a life.
You're talking about discretionary calls to cover ambiguous or unforeseen circumstances; for which processes to handle both are alluded to in the rulebook
Were debating the validity of a standing rule extraneous to and conflicting with the rule book. Complete red herring.
Fair enough. I'd assumed the riders didn't get the memo, as it wasn't mentioned by any rider in any of the the post-race interviews I've listened to. If they did, then I guess AMA is on firm ground.
Let’s add more light colors to the lights.
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Red Cross flag showing has to be shown for everyone before you put it away or turn off clown lights.
Yes, correct, one of cautionary yellow flags didn't work and they work in pair, so it's a discretionary call if not stated in the rule book.
They did the only right thing.
Again, under the assumption that riders was aware.
So will you say they did the wrong thing with Seth in the playoffs last year by docking him 5 points for jumping on red lights? The rule hasn't changed since.
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Okay…better yet. Can you imagine if it was Deegs instead of Jo? …and Jo that won? Is there honestly anyone here that doesn’t think a penalty comes down immediately? I do…no doubt in my mind….based on history. Seriously…because if most of us think it comes out differently…well….the AMA is a farce. Regardless….even having the discussion shows how bad the AMA has been.
Aaah got it thanks. So the lights are kind of like a check engine light, you can do something, or not do something. 👌👍
I don't remember all the details. Last year lead in lights didn't exist so no matter what the situation isn't comparable.
So, when do riders have to roll the jumps???
I have taken one of my yellow engine lights out for 10 years with Torque app 😄 So I did something, but really nothing about it 🤷
If you see it, always on red cross. To be safe. But you won't get a penalty if assigned lead in lights doesn't work or are on. They work in pair on those sections.
There is apparently 1-2 sections with lead-in lights assigned as I understood it and they get info on which sections during riders meeting. I Could be a bit off on this one, but that is my understanding.
And yet, there is nothing in the rule book regarding “lead in lights”
This is a bit crazy - just think of the next race, if a rider only got one of the flag or red light and thinks I can still jump - but there actually is a pile up or a rider down. Not a good scenario.
These lead in lights are tricky, as you have to know where they are located so you can know if you can jump on Red Cross flag or not. So if i don't see a lead in light and i do see a red cross flag, i have to remember if i am in a section that has them or not. If indeed I am in a section with no lead in lights, then roll the next jump, but if i remember i am in a section with lead in lights, but i didn't see them, then I can jump on the Red Cross flag without penalty. Got it. Wow
After lots of math and signals whilst trying to manage a race and navigate obstacles.
I heard Tim Cotter and Brian Deegan met with the AMA about this.
Yeah that is a bit strange and not optimal since they could have avoided a lot of misunderstandings.
Typically you don't review rule book if they are officially released so could be that 2026 rules where already released when this was implemented. They only do clarifications. Maybe this was needed to be worked out into last minute with Feld since it requires equipment I assume it's there's? "Flags" are provided by racing organisation, not AMA. Now we are also dealing with system and software, switches.
But again, as long as riders have the information it's fine.
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