Shimoda´s red light?

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

zehn wrote:

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. What...

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. 

What the fuck are riders even supposed to do with this 

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

Tokyo_Tiddler wrote:

Regarding the 250 decision.. THAT IS UTTERLY INSANE!  It makes no sense at all. The light and the flag should be so if you miss one...

Regarding the 250 decision.. THAT IS UTTERLY INSANE!  It makes no sense at all. The light and the flag should be so if you miss one, you still have a chance to see the other. You have to have a screw loose to say that if you only confirm one, but didn't see the other, you can ignore the first one.  You would have to have an IQ of less than 50 to make a rule like that as it is complete lunacy.  I guess you don't need any education, common sense or intellectual qualifications to be a senior official at AMA. Anyone know who at AMA is making these calls? We should let them know what we think about their logic.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

zehn wrote:

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. What...

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. 

What the fuck are riders even supposed to do with this 

Iridereallyslow wrote:

This new precedent will just encourage all riders to ignore red lights and red cross flags, which will at some point put an actual down rider...

This new precedent will just encourage all riders to ignore red lights and red cross flags, which will at some point put an actual down rider track crew at risk....and it will all be on the AMA. 

RACING wrote:

Lars ain't happy.

Lars ain't happy.

harescrambled wrote:

If nothing happens over it, I hope Honda and Jo sue them. There is plenty of documented precedent for penalizing those types of infractions. Additionally, the...

If nothing happens over it, I hope Honda and Jo sue them. There is plenty of documented precedent for penalizing those types of infractions. Additionally, the rules are crystal clear about it. 

 

aees wrote:

I have written in the Kellen thread also.It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be...

I have written in the Kellen thread also.

It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be red by color. Riders apparently has been briefed about it and since many in 250 jumped anyway, some understood the function.

In 450 other way around. Riders briefed that they can look for warning light before finish since red cross at finish line is seen to late, just dangerous to try and brake.

So no warnings lights, they can't hand out penalty. 

All seems to be in accordance with what riders has been briefed how it will work for 2026 and at the races.

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

zehn wrote:

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. What...

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. 

What the fuck are riders even supposed to do with this 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Wait till both are being displayed. 👍🏻

zehn wrote:

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. What...

So red flashing lights with no Red Cross flag means you can jump, and a Red Cross flag without flashing red lights means you can jump. 

What the fuck are riders even supposed to do with this 

Kenny Banyan wrote:

Wait till both are being displayed. 👍🏻

300exc wrote:

So are they doing away with Red Cross flags on rhythm sections with no red lights if a Red Cross flag with no lights means nothing?Guess...

So are they doing away with Red Cross flags on rhythm sections with no red lights if a Red Cross flag with no lights means nothing?

Guess so.

thatswhathappens wrote:

17:45 left in the 450* main, Weege explicitly states the rule and how Pierce broke the rule… wake up Sunday morning and Pierce is still the...

17:45 left in the 450* main, Weege explicitly states the rule and how Pierce broke the rule… wake up Sunday morning and Pierce is still the winner.

You just informed every person watching the broadcast that Pierce should have been penalized. So, where is the explanation from the AMA as to why he was not? What kind of precedent does this set, where a rule can be broken, the rule is confirmed to have been broken by photo/video evidence, further confirmed by the commentary booth, with no action and no explanation for why no action was taken?

So, riders can just assume the lights are on by mistake now and jump with no repercussions? It doesn’t matter if they were on by mistake, they were on. The rule was broken. Shit, I’m pissed for Jo, this is bullshit.

TropicPilot wrote:

How is there 17:45 left in a 15 minute +1 main event?

aees wrote:

250 Class Race Direction ReviewDuring the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with...

250 Class Race Direction Review

During the race, a warning light, also referred to as the single red lead in light, was displayed in accordance with standard race procedures. When the warning light is shown, riders are alerted of a future obstacle being shut down. However, the presence of the warning light alone does not prohibit riders from executing jumps unless accompanied by additional flag signals or directives indicating otherwise.

After a thorough review by Race Direction, it has been confirmed that all 250 riders remained in compliance with the rules. Since the warning light was displayed and no supplementary signals were issued to restrict jumping, riders were permitted to maintain race pace and execute jumps through the section.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 250 class regarding this situation.

450 Class Race Direction Review

A separate situation occurred during the 450 Main Event involving a red cross flag being displayed at the finish line stand. At the time of the incident, no corresponding red lights or red cross flags were illuminated in the section leading into the jump.

Following a comprehensive review, Race Direction determined there was no blatant violation of the red cross rule. (1.6.14, e.,6) Riders were already committed to the jump without a visible warning light to reasonably signal the restricted condition prior to takeoff.

Given the absence of illuminated red lights and the lack of advanced visual indication before rider commitment, officials concluded that the circumstances did not warrant penalties.

As a result, no penalties have been assessed to any riders in the 450 class regarding this situation.

harescrambled wrote:

If nothing happens over it, I hope Honda and Jo sue them. There is plenty of documented precedent for penalizing those types of infractions. Additionally, the...

If nothing happens over it, I hope Honda and Jo sue them. There is plenty of documented precedent for penalizing those types of infractions. Additionally, the rules are crystal clear about it. 

 

aees wrote:

I have written in the Kellen thread also.It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be...

I have written in the Kellen thread also.

It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be red by color. Riders apparently has been briefed about it and since many in 250 jumped anyway, some understood the function.

In 450 other way around. Riders briefed that they can look for warning light before finish since red cross at finish line is seen to late, just dangerous to try and brake.

So no warnings lights, they can't hand out penalty. 

All seems to be in accordance with what riders has been briefed how it will work for 2026 and at the races.

300exc wrote:

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.They are all red or yellow.The 3 lights at the finish were red.They managed to turn 2 of...

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.

They are all red or yellow.

The 3 lights at the finish were red.

They managed to turn 2 of the 3 off but even though there’s a big blue light still flashing on the back side of the red to indicate it was on, facing them, they never looked. So it stayed on for 40 seconds.

Strickly operator error.

 

aees wrote:

I have written in the Kellen thread also.It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be...

I have written in the Kellen thread also.

It wasn't a red light by function before finish line, it was an orange light that happen to be red by color. Riders apparently has been briefed about it and since many in 250 jumped anyway, some understood the function.

In 450 other way around. Riders briefed that they can look for warning light before finish since red cross at finish line is seen to late, just dangerous to try and brake.

So no warnings lights, they can't hand out penalty. 

All seems to be in accordance with what riders has been briefed how it will work for 2026 and at the races.

300exc wrote:

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.They are all red or yellow.The 3 lights at the finish were red.They managed to turn 2 of...

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.

They are all red or yellow.

The 3 lights at the finish were red.

They managed to turn 2 of the 3 off but even though there’s a big blue light still flashing on the back side of the red to indicate it was on, facing them, they never looked. So it stayed on for 40 seconds.

Strickly operator error.

 

aees wrote:

Orange = yellow.And yellow/Orange has been removed since riders complained last year they couldn't see them, so they are now red but seems to be just...

Orange = yellow.

And yellow/Orange has been removed since riders complained last year they couldn't see them, so they are now red but seems to be just 1 light instead of using 2 lights.

300exc wrote:

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.They are all red or yellow.The 3 lights at the finish were red.They managed to turn 2 of...

There are NO “orange lights” used in Supercross anywhere.

They are all red or yellow.

The 3 lights at the finish were red.

They managed to turn 2 of the 3 off but even though there’s a big blue light still flashing on the back side of the red to indicate it was on, facing them, they never looked. So it stayed on for 40 seconds.

Strickly operator error.

 

aees wrote:

Orange = yellow.And yellow/Orange has been removed since riders complained last year they couldn't see them, so they are now red but seems to be just...

Orange = yellow.

And yellow/Orange has been removed since riders complained last year they couldn't see them, so they are now red but seems to be just 1 light instead of using 2 lights.

300exc wrote:

Nope, simply not true.Never has been orange lights anywhere in sx for at least 10 years I’ve been going.I’ve worked the dang things more than once.I...

Nope, simply not true.

Never has been orange lights anywhere in sx for at least 10 years I’ve been going.

I’ve worked the dang things more than once.

I have to ask why you’re just making chit up?

In another thread you said the lead in lights were new, again completely not true.

I believe they call that lying.