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I smell something bad…..
Yes, I just heard same. However these lead-in lights were created after last years Red Cross fiasco when Jett got penalized and claimed h didn’t see it in time. So ok to jump on red lead in lights, but look ahead because may have a situation. Sort of cruel fate when Honda (Jett) got penalized and AMA created lead-in lights to give advance warning (Vital also felt there needed to be more than sIngle Red Cross flag). Then double whammy when Honda (Jo) doesn’t realize the lights are NOT “do not jump” and rolls jumps gets passed for lead and win.
The light is just there to alert them to look for the Red Cross Flag. I believe there was a rule change and the lights aren’t the reference for a penalty anymore. There was no flag in the 250 (the one the majority are bitching about). There WAS a Red Cross Flag in the 450 class and Tomac, Webb and Roczen all jumped on the flag. The 450 thing was actually an infraction but everyone is pissed about Shimoda getting screwed when there was no flag.
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Especially when their explanation for no penalty in the 450 is because the lead in lights weren't on.
The mental gymnastics it takes to explain away both instances of no penalties being issued, by using equal but opposite reasons is quite astonishing.
The problem is when the AMA went looking for the photo of Pierce jumping they just found a pic of Jake Weimer
-where is it in the rule book?
-why did they deliberate forever if it's so cut-and-dry?
Of course he would have! Star would have kicked up that big of a stink they would have had to penalize him.
I can't see anything in this about lead in lights at the finish line jump etc.
It's pretty black and white.
I agree.
The only thing I could see them saying is the flashing red didn't apply to the finish jump, only the small double it was located on. BUT clearly the problem with that is Pierce jumped that double with the red lights on, so that explanation is out the window too.
If it's not IN the rule book, this is still a complete and total failure.
Oops…sorry guys, I found the exception the AMA is using. My bad for having missed it. It’s written right there with the *.
Must be in the double secret rule book.
It’s difficult to see how riders not being penalised for jumping when there is a red light or Red Cross flags is anything but complete BS.
The controlling body has lost what little respect they had.
They are a joke, and it’s impossible to argue any other way.
So they changed the rules after an incident occurred, fuck yeah.
Eli wins Daytona, they determine after the fact that third place wins, congrats Cooper on winning Daytona. lol
Not sure if it’s connected, but this guy was seen leaving the stadium last night:
Yea…I have no idea who wrote that *note?? I heard Bobby handed that book to Mike P. after the race to make it clear….😬🤥
This is one of the biggest scandals in years. All respect for the people at AMA is surely lost. How on earth can Pelletier & Co gain back any respect after this?
Pit Row
I don't get it
Can you photoshop a Monster claw on the side of that bag? Then it would be accurate.
The rules surrounding this are way too complex for anyone on the track responsible for following them. They don’t even have a couple of seconds to make a decision much of the time. Lights on, no jumping should be the end of it, regardless of where they are on the track or what obstacle they’re traversing.
Could also put a flagger where there are lights in place of the damned things.
Could also make the lights visible on both sides of the pole they’re attached so to the person responsible for hitting the button can actually see them. Seriously wtf.
Pierce is running Jake’s old number. He’s implying the AMA are lazy and incompetent, which they are.
No the joke is about and old story where JT got penalized for something (i don't remember exactly what) and JT disputed it, AMA brought forward a picture of what JT had allegedly done and the picture was of Jake Weimer doing the "offence". AMA didn't correct their decision, JT got a penalty and the evidence that AMA had was a picture of Weimer doing it.
Think about going through a rutted set of jumps, step on step off to a triple, you think you saw something flashing in the corner of your eye but was there a flag, maybe I missed the flag because I was so consentrated on the rut to land in, or maybe the red flash came from a tracside UTV. What should I do a) go for the triple because these were only leading in lights and maybe a yellow flag I missed, b) roll the triple on left and lose the win c) roll the triple in the middle and get landed on, becaouse rider behind you didn't see any lights, d) go for the triple but cet crossrutted and crash, because I just lost focus on the rut just a little bit for all the mental gymnastics I just did because of the flags and lights and rules.
Cutting your nose to spite your face….. Hunter is leading and Jo will get those points back from pierce no problem. Still a fuck up, but pulling out of the series would be crazy.
And can you imagine how many folks would be calling them “quitters?”
So you're telling me they're fining riders with championship point penalties for failing those dumbass sound tests, Friese gets those stupid licensed points every weekend for ignoring a blue flag (he must be at 200 licensed penalty points by now, not like it would make a difference), but when it comes to one of the most important rules out there, we go with "No violation was determined"? That is absolutely embarrassing.
By the way, this came to my mind for people that forgot about it:
Musquin jumped the red cross flag in 2019 (he jumped like half of the rhythm section though) at Seattle when he won the race. He lost SEVEN championship points with that rule break. How do we go from losing seven championship points to "no violation was determined"?
They're so unsophisticated they couldn't find a discrete light color to distinguish it from the very same color ***"that takes precedence over all others..."***
Amber? Blue? Pink? Anything??? Nope. fucking red. But oh it's just a courtesy light guys.
There better be a certified courier delivered memo/addendum or updated rulebook to explain this lightgate. I want the simplest explanation to be true, that Lars simply didn't read the new rulebook. But I don't think that's the case.
Musquin picked the wrong energy drink brand to ride for, was the problem for him.
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