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No factory team, but bikes are still on sale to the public.
What’s the vision behind GG? Where are they going? What does the future hold?
are they going to do what Suzuki done & hope a team such as PMG come along and take them racing at the highest level?
I think they don't know what to do with it. I also wonder if it will stay on the current platform for a year or two after the next KTM/Husky update and then disappear.
They may have a decent market share in Europe and the trial bikes may still be doing good in sales for them in the states, as far as the offroad bikes in the states, I would assume they would not bring in anymore inventory and just sell what is left then close the book.
The original plan was to offer GasGas as a lower priced bike. PMG didn't do that well, perhaps Bajaj will continue with that strategy.
Although, having strong brand recognition without the cost of a race team would make GasGas appealing to a PE group, so there's a chance it could be sold.
Gasgas is about the lamest brand around though so good luck selling it based on image or recognition.
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What makes you think that?
I think it'll stick around. It's not like it's a huge cost for them to be manufactured. At a lot of local tracks there are plenty of GASGAS bikes. So if they stopped making them they can't be sure that people would then buy a KTM.
I hope they stay with the current strategy. Makes the KTM affordable to the masses who would likely buy another brand if forced to due to price point. A lot of GasGas' in our series.
GASGAS reminds me of Buick in the automotive world. Nobody is really talking about them or rushing out to buy one, but they do exist.
I see a lot of dealers discounting them heavily to move them. In the long run, I don't see the brand surviving.
The reason they have those sales is actual enthusiasts realize they are cheap Ktms.
What would a private equity investor get out of the Gasgas brand if they buy it and it’s no longer a cheaper ktm?
If you’re buying it for the brand and the name, the only credibility they have is by being a red ktm.
Bajaj needs to get GasGas prices competitive with the cheaper Japanese brands for the brand to fulfill it's niche.
I thought I read a few years ago in MXA that it costs PMG more money to keep GG on the old platform, compared to updating it. So even though it ideally would've made sense to leave it on that original '22 platform, as KTM and Hus moved to the '23, it just financially didn't make sense. So after reading that, the 3 brands on the same platform just seemed silly to me. Had it been able to remain on the original platform, still had carbed 2strokes etc and cost at, or under, a Japanese equivalent, then it has a real place in the market. But since it continues to update and still costs more than a YZF, I just don't know why anyone would bother (especially with it lacking features like map selector etc.) It's just flawed thinking, in my opinion.
I don't see Bajaj selling Gasgas. More to the point I don't see why anyone would buy Gasgas.
I mean design, engineering and manufacturing is all done in house in Austria. Gasgas do not have any assets on their own, there is no "Gasgas factory" per say (IIRC they've just closed the trials factory in Spain to regroup all activities in Austria).
So what would anyone buying Gasgas would get would be... the right to put the badge on the tank?
Bajaj has an opportunity to do what Pierer did not: build a proper identity for the Gasgas brand (and Husky for that matter), to make it something more than a cheaper and red KTM.
Just pure speculation, but with the relationship Ktm has with Cfmoto, maybe that is an option for GasGas.
With that e-bike project cfmoto was working on going silent the last year or so, who knows what they are thinking bike-wise at this point.
They are already...there is 2025 GG 450s on cycle trader for $6400. Its the same price as the RMZ. Every other japanese bike is more (except maybe kawi when you factor in the rebate deals but that also has a timing aspect to it).
Its just a weird spot pricewise the gas gas brand is at. They are cheaper than the other two austrian bikes but the quality is also significantly less than those two brands. The only GG I see "worth" buying new is a factory edition. If you are going to buy an austrian, spend the extra $ and get a husky or a KTM that comes with better parts and looks 100x better. The "stock" GG with silver bars, clamps, forks, wheels is probably the ugliest dirt bike produced in 20 years.
Its an affordable version of the austrian bikes but also not really when you factor in wheels, clamps, getting rid of the shit brake system, etc
Not all of the GasGas models came with Braktec.
When I purchased my MC250, the dealer had two of them. One with Brembo and one with Braktec.
I of course picked the Brembo.....🤙
I'd argue GASGAS's aren't cheap enough.
PE would get the satisfaction of running core brands into the ground, as far as I can tell that's their sole objective.
I haven't seen much from Bajaj regarding the future of the brands and product lines. I can't imagine them continuing to build red KTM's, but I also can't imagine them developing a unique product line under the GasGas brand. That really only leaves selling the brand for pennies, or mothballing it. My best guess is they will keep it going until the inventory is gone then it will go away. The whole thing seemed ill-conceived from the beginning.
If they do continue the brand it needs to be built in Asia and have a lower price point than the cheapest comparable Japanese bike. If it's going to look like a K-Mart special it needs a K-Mart price point.
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Do the gasgas 125/150 still use carbs?
I think no one is impressed with EFI on smaller 2-strokes..?
To be fair, we need to be looking at MSRP vs MSRP.
In US dollars the 2026 MC450 is $10,849 and the 2026 RMZ450 is $9.399
What dealers sell them for and what OEM incentives are available at any given time will dictate actual selling price.
I do agree that the current GG models are some of the ugliest production models I've seen in years, I know it's vain, but I can't get over the side number plates. Ruins it for me. They went back to black wheels in 26 though which is nice.
I could see gas gas off-road branding and history being sold, perhaps back to rieju.
The Gas Gas trials line I would see remaining in PMG. Maybe rebranded as KTM.
I see 5x more GasGas’s locally than the other two Austrian brands. People love red bikes
I was noting MSRP.
KTM ended production at the Girona factory that builds the Trials bikes and there are no 2026 models.
I have always been of the thought that acquiring gasgas and expanding the company and offering something at a entry level price was just another short term plan to justify old SPs bonus payments come years end, like this guy saw the trend in COVID and thought this is where I cash in big, few years of nice spreadsheets 10s of millions in bonuses and fuck the company once this spike ends. Money is there take it! I can’t see the collapse from my house!
No, 125 is efi and 150 MC has been removed from the line up as well as SX & TC 150 for 2026.
GG has reduced their 2026 full size bike line up to only 6 models.
A buddy and I refer to my GasGas as "the Buick" about 90% of the time even though I love the bike.
What could possibly be more exciting than a 1992 Buick LeSabre in "burgundy"?
The gg silver and red looks very nice to a lot of us especially those who grew up in the 80s/90s when silver rims were popular. Every bike on the market doesn't need to be black/grey/white/red plastic with black rims. If you wanted a red bike with black wheels and different fork leg anodizing then there are Hondas, Betas, Starks, and Ducatis to look at.
My early production 22 GG has Brembos. Brake tec products are great on a trials bike.
I grew up racing in the 80's/90's and I think silver rims look cheap on modern bikes which is why PMG put them on the GGs - to further differentiate the GGs from their premium offerings. Most of those silver rims are swapped out immediately.
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