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Being there in a few seconds I can guarantee you it’s not on their mind. Reasonable response time given the circumstances
Educated response.
50 seconds for this guy to get to him.
It’s what happens next that is whack…
*it looked like he had to ask for permission from the A-Star guy tending to Mookie. Guessing he’s not supposed to be the guy going on track to assess patients, which would at least give some sort of explanation to why he would leave a patient after engaging in care.
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Nothing personal to you Soul Indigo, but that there are people who have the nerve to count that guy as first medical responder... He didn't do much more than lay his hands on bambam shoulders and then left the track.
Would it be so terrible to require a tether like they are required on quads and snowmobiles? What’s the downside?
Holy christ, there's no excuse for that. WTF. These riders deserve better.
Rider safety and medical treatment at these events is not given he priority it should be. Amateur flagging and poor or delayed medical responses are going to end up causing someone to die or paralyzed . Flaggers need to be trained professionals. The need fast response medical teams (s) capable of getting to rider in less than 30 seconds
This is where I leave the chat.....
It's OK to point out things that could be done better and strive to be excellent at these things, but if barcia ended up paralyzed it's because he had a wicked crash on his motorcycle and that's that.
No medical training so won't comment on that part. However as someone pointed out that's a supercross stadium, not outdoors, meaning they can think about flagging positions, EMS circulation and so on while designing the track without any external natural constraints like elevation or whatever. That is an ideal scenario. Hopefully they already do that.
But man, +50s to attend a downed rider in a stadium... this is not acceptable, so many witnesses around, I can't believe that's the fastest they could have done. And if it really is, that means there's a very serious issue about training, staffing, communicating and positioning personnel on the track.
We're talking about the pinnacle of the sport, imagine the outrage if personnel needed 50s to attend a downed MotoGP rider... tracks are huge but there's personnel (voluntary Marshalls, plus at least 1 personnel with medical training...) at every corner, ready to go in seconds (they often start moving even before the crashed rider stops rolling).
This is not more acceptable in SX, we need higher standards, period. It's a dangerous sport, always has been, always will be, it's on the organizers to plan ahead to ensure optimal care when shit happens because it will happen. All the best to Garcia and Stewart.
It was directly in front of the podium with dozens of onlookers as well. The lack of urgency was wild.
I'm all for playing devil's advocate and understanding that individual people are human and capable of mistakes even when trying to do the right thing, but with that many eyes and people on the job, zero reason someone shouldn't have at least checked he was conscious/had a pulse long before they got to him.
Just what the sport needed on the heels of the Zing lawsuit, wait til this gets blown up on USA Today.
I got knocked out for 15 minutes before and apparently was full blown seizure and foaming at the mouth. I'm lucky I didn't bite my tongue off, getting knocked out definitely isn't like the movies.
I think you are correct. I think the FD medics are "helping hands" not a first responder. They are basically there to transport. I think the A-Star crew is very protective of their turf. Maybe someone here from Anaheim FD can confirm.
I refuse to believe that the clowns in here saying astars did nothing wrong actually participate in our sport. That was embarrassing for the Astars team
Exactly. There’s no excuse for it.
Look back at the Romain Grosjean F1 crash. In his crash the barrier split his car in 2 and exploded into flames. Despite the track being 3+ miles long he was responded to in under 20 seconds which saved his life.
The medic was literally in a car on track behind the other cars. If it would have been three laps later it would have taken a lot longer to get to him
This 100%. I'm absolutely confident he received excellent care once he was eventually attended to. The response time to attend to him is what was shockingly embarrassing. Any criticism in that regard is warranted.
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In any other sport, this is the lead story.
I said the same thing. I couldn’t believe how long it took for anyone to get to him. My dad was over in front of the start around mechanics area and he had to go over there cause Justin was just laying there by himself.
That was a joke. Unacceptable.
he'll retire. You can see his leg turn into a noodle in many of these videos. That injury alone is gonna keep him out for the year, and that's not even considering the other injuries we'll hear about soon. Sucks to see - I went from hating the guy when he would pull his 250 antics...but he's grown on me over the years. I now figure he's probably a pretty good dude to hang with.
The trackside crew was the first to start extinguishing the fire.
...and would have an in-depth interview with the head of the medic team, comments from the team manager, and a statement from FELD. But that wont happen because.....moto-media is gonna moto-media.
Nice title to your thread there guy. Did you attend the 1-800 injury hotline university of law? I’m sure all the track owners on here would like to know your real name so they can be sure you never set foot on their property for fear of being accused of “gROsS nEgLiGeNcE” and being sued into oblivion because of their so called gRoSs nEgLiGeNcE.
The very essence of motocross is gross negligence. You are literally choosing to cheat death and risk dismemberment for a dopamine rush.
I’m not defending the situation last night by any means. But the gross negligence pitchfork mob is out in full force here and turning on the very sport they supposedly love. Everyone wants safety and justice. These words used in the same context of gross negligence usually mean they want $$$$
Be careful what you wish for. The government is noticing and they will get involved and deliver this justice and safety everyone so desperately seeks. I already see no kids racing under 18 years of age quickly arriving and safety restrictions that are going to be so burdensome they will truly save us from our sport completely by eliminating any grassroots options.
The basic fact is that Motocross is a gladiator sport. You do it, you’re getting hurt and hurt bad and you might die too. Just like the gladiators. The only difference other than the lions and tigers and bears is that we choose to participate, the Roman emperor isn’t forcing anyone to jump on their dirtbike and go to battle. Your very first decision when you choose to participate in this sport is accepting the fact that you will endure bodily harm at some point as a result. You are choosing self imposed gross negligence. The irony I find in all these gross negligence justice seekers is that when something bad happens they turn into defenders of safety all of a sudden. They want to make the sport safer. If you cared about safety you wouldn’t be hanging on to a motorized death trap and flying it off 70’ jumps with 19 other guys next to you in the air. In fact, if you really cared about safety you’d be helping the USA Today editors gather more stories about injured and dead kids across the country so you help make it safer aka illegal and extinct because that’s where this shit is all headed. Attacking Feld and the AMA isn’t going to help our cause.
They got there at about the same time as the doctor. The doctor pulled him out, the car was still on fire. Anyway, it’s splitting hairs. The point being, things would have likely been different a few laps later so it’s not really a fair comparison.
You won't get FELD or Astars medical to comment on it. That will leave them open for lawsuits. They would have to take accountability that they screwed up and that would allow them to be sued. Don't blame it on moto media.
It is certainly headed that way as long as these boneheaded, knuckle-dragging attitudes persist.
You don’t seem to be able to draw the distinction between the responsibility of an individual rider over the responsibility of an organization that is putting on an event.
In motocross, riders legally accept the risk of crashes caused by other competitors, even fatal ones, as long as those actions fall within normal racing conduct. Track operators and organizers are different because they control the environment and safety systems, which creates a legal duty to prevent foreseeable, non-inherent hazards.
Riders assume risk; organizers assume responsibility.
What happened with Barcia was a grossly unprepared medical team that created an optics nightmare. Having an unconscious participant lying there unattended to for almost a minute is mind-boggling and embarrassing.
The Zingg lawsuit contests that, with proper flagger position, Aidan’s death was avoidable. It in no way contests that his crash was avoidable. That crash was on Aidan.
Getting plowed into by other riders who had no idea that you were down is a different set of circumstances entirely. The lawsuit plainly states that this set of circumstances could have been avoided.
Had Barcia bled out, or failed to regain a proper airway during that period of time, you can bet you would see some lawsuits drop.
I’ve been saying this for years. FELD/AMA/AStarsMedicalCrew should, if they don’t already, Hold “After Action Reviews” or “Learning From Incidents” reviews as part of a Continious Improvement process for something this critical. This process is done at most major Coorporations in heavy industry worldwide Hold the review, access, what went right, what went wrong, implement change, do this week in and week, out religiously and things will get better, guaranteed.
Same method for the broadcast crew….
It’s not that complicated or difficult
It would be interesting to know the medical qualifications of all those involved in rider safety, first response or whatever you call it. Anonymously of course no names mentioned.
It would also be good if they made public their protocols for the various situations they encounter, be it multiple downed riders, unconscious rider etc etc.
There’s been too many questionable decisions made over the years and publishing that info could help neutralize the understandably negative feelings people may feel toward them .