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Neither. Just live by principles I think are right, which definitely exclude soulless opportunism, or even worse, proxy opportunism for someone where you literally won't even benefit lol.
Dude… We could hand these whiny mother fuckers five gallon buckets filled with gold. Guess what… They would still complain. But, but. But… the bucket is too heavy.
But. But… My boyfriend only wears 10K. Not, 14K.
The divide is too great. Left vs right. Separation is coming to the America’s ( America, Canada, etc). Cannot put the ideology back into the oven. It will be war, or separation. It was good while it lasted. China will take the lead after 2032. Stamp it.
There are lots of videos of people protesting in the streets over him being removed.
Regardless of how bad a guy he was and how awful he was for the country, he and his government have a lot of supporters. Socialism/Liberalism is deeply entwined in Venezuela and has been for a long time.
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They took Maduro but the same government is in power.
Yes.
Back in the early 70's my dad's cousin, who worked for Chevron, moved his family down there for years while building their petrochemical industry.
And an uncle, who worked for Reed roller bit, spent half his time down there doing the same.
My parents even took two vacations there visiting them.
They came back telling about the beautiful area, the people, and food.
We should be all in on being heavily involved in restoring their oil production capabilities.
For both their, and our, benefit.
We definitely have a right to keep chyna, russia, and others out of our hemisphere.
And we damn sure couldn't just go in there, pluck the despot out, and leave a power void to be filled to the next cartel puppet.
We need a strong presence there.
Listen to who supplied their meager defense systems...
https://x.com/TaraBull/status/2008138912397472098?s=20
Explain the millions of people who fled the country. It's at least 20% of the population by most reports.
And why isn't it the governments job to protect American interests abroad? I believe most wars start over this kind of thing. And it should be nice to be a billionaire it gives people incentive to be rich, create commerce, innovate, employ people, develop the economy. Your bigotry against the wealthy shows up over and over.
Amen agn5008. The gaped mouthed, panic sweat mania every time Trump performs any action is so predictable. Somehow getting rid of Maduro being interpreted as a bad thing is the latest. Crying wolf somewhat.
Saheed Drones - Iran
S300 Radar - Russia
Chinese AA missile defense systems
Well, we just picked up some excellent operational intel and BDA from engaging those systems. NICE!💪🏼🇺🇸
No worries. I’m thoroughly enjoying the Usual Suspects in the media and their chirping canary followers…
Clutching their pearls…
Spouting off about legalities in the face of the actual facts…
Ultimately siding with the ass holes, as they seem to always do as of late: “Massachusetts Father”…anyone? “Iranian Nuclear deal was working!”…anyone?
So, for those haters of reality…again…
IRANIAN FUCKING DRONES
RUSSIA’s LATEST “EXPORT” RADAR DEFENSE SYSTEMS
CHINESE AIR DEFENSE AND INTERCEPT SYSTEMS
“Nothing to see here.”
Dr. Dre once wrote…”And ya wonder why they call ya ‘Bitch’?”
Welcome to The New Western Hemisphere.
Period
The amount of stupid you posted here is amazing. Trump ended, what 8 wars in 3 months before the end of '25. And stopped Iran from becoming a bigger problem. Maduro was responsible for continually sending the drug boats here. Trump took action and stopped the drugs from coming into the country to poison. Stopping more drug murders. And Trump certainly doesn't need Congressional approval to carry out military operations when it is not a declaration of war. It was 1 mission. You'd know a war if it was one. They'd be obliterated in 10 minutes. Maybe take a look at the citizens cheering and crying because they now have better hope for the nation.
Calling someone stupid and then parroting propaganda. Exactly my kind of humor.
Latest Russian systems are S400/S500 no? 300's have been around for a long time and there's already plenty of experience dealing with those from Iran/Syria/Iraq etc.
I'm finding these threads a bit weird to read through to be honest, there's a lot of misrepresentation of what people actually have posted going on from the usual crew who only seem to be able to look at things through the prism of their 'side' in US politics. No-one is going to shed a tear over Maduro being gone really, but it's perfectly legitimate to ask the question "what's your plan here Donald?".
Maduro's regime wasn't just him. He built the military around him, the legal system, the electoral system. The Venezuelan judiciary, town and regional governors etc all were put in place to support Maduro and enrich themselves in the process. Like all dictatorships, he was propped up by a network who kept him there because he kept them fat and wealthy. Pulling the head off the snake but leaving all that in place does nothing for ordinary Venezuelan people because all that infrastructure is left, so unless there's some huge-scale bribery and reform going on to gradually phase all that out, the chances of Venezuela breaking down to chaos rather than getting back on the 'right' path remains significant.
Keeping the Russians contained to Russia, China on the right path to maintaining Taiwan's right to self-determination etc I'm all in favour of. I can respect the argument this keeps Russia and China out of South America, how you guys want to try and mange all that is entirely up to you... But right now you are threatening Greenland which is sovereign territory of a country you call an ally. Removing Maduro because he's not a nice guy and doesn't align to US interests, why can't China now legitimately claim the same thing and remove the government of Taiwan? Meanwhile, Russia can now legitimately say "well we are just protecting what we think is our bubble of influence in Ukraine too so how about you fuck off telling us to not keep bombing civilian infrastructure and kidnapping children in Ukraine?".
As I said. What's the plan here Donald and how are you going to demonstrate you've got this right while not basically giving Russia and China carte blanche to do whatever they like elsewhere? Apologies for quoting you on this one Manny but you're among the more reasonable posters so I figured I'd stand a decent shot getting something sensible back.
I was there a few times in the 80s. Shopping malls filled with people spending money. Not cheap shit, just like being in a major European city. Strong middle class, people had newer cars. It was a very viable option to go live without downgrading lifestyle.
Just not too many years ago, young girls were selling sexual acts just for food. And even if you had money, there was no food to be bought.
I remember reading about how during cold war with Russia there was no food to be purchased. They said people had money but still could not buy food. I thought that's just not possible, how dumb is that? You could have money and not be able to buy food? Sure as shit, on a business trip to Russia, I wanted to see a grocery store, 80% of the shelves were bare. People still drove cars with crank start. Crazy how they had to live outside the big city.
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To be a little fair there’s one lady serving a 20 year sentence for trafficking humans to other humans but we still can’t get the list of humans that the trafficked ones were being trafficked to. It’s pretty incredible.
I think you’re on to something Byke!
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RIP to the USA. It was a good run.
Instead of the typical "catch phrase's and repeating the same old tired lines post after post, Twigster has posted some of the only well thought out questions and information in this entire thread.
Intelligent conversation is rare in here.
Well done sir!
I hear a lot that the military likes the periodic wars for testing their hardware. I heard that the initial equipment we sent to Ukraine was a bust. The programs for the missiles were tuned in in desert landscape. When they started using them in Ukraine the trajectories hadn't taken into account for the tall trees and were not getting to their target. You ever hear this? Massive reprogramming had to be done to make them effective.
Propaganda? The only statement in that post that could even be slightly challenged is that Trump didnt stop 8 wars but 6 instead. LOL. Everything else in that post is factual, if you disagree prove it wrong. Do you ever challenge your beliefs? I mean actually investigate without bias what you believe to be true? It's a great exercise and keeps you from becoming a sheep.
Without looking it up can you name them? Or do you only know of them because Trump said he ended them?
Plus Ukraine initially was an accounting war, ie US sent fully depreciated weapons & support assets. While it looks like a waste of taxpayer funds, those funds had been fully allocated years ago. Plus older equipment had very little street value, so Ukraine was essentially a tax write-off, albeit a sinister one.
Who will get the 25 million dollar bounty that Biden/Harris put on Maduro?
The corrupt, stupid and incompetent SDNY issued this indictment so I’m sure the white house will denounce this in no time.
We are certainly fucking around now, I guess we shall find out.
I do think we may be giving too much credit in assuming there is a well thought out strategic effort in action. On the surface some things may make sense, but I don't think we are very good at thinking down the line these days.
EDIT - Grammar.
Sometimes you have to pick the best "bad choice" because there is no "good choice". And try to adjust it to an acceptable choice.
Greenland and Brazil next 🤞
We really should have switched gears after beating the hell out of Germany and Japan in WW2, and crushed Russia and China when we had the momentum and the means to do so.
Yes, for a while we dominated the world economically and in many places culturally as well, but it wasn't enough. We gave them too long a leash and look what they've done. Their sphere of influence has grown too large and it now threatens our position at head of the table.
We've sat idle and incapacitated by bureaucracy, concerns for non-productive and non-beneficial cultures and societies, and far too much concern for the sovereignty for other nations for too long.
We've really lost our edge internationally and this move on Venezuela is a bid to regain power over the western hemisphere, but its not enough. We must secure Greenland and Brazil. We cannot afford to allow Brazil to continue their alliance with Russia, China, and Iran.
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