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On the left is the RMZ250 clamp and on the right is the RMZ450 clamp. Webbing underneath is the same on both clamps.
The Zook's that KR and JA race are very well setup ! I am willing to bet they would be just as fast on any other brand with the same amount of prep/setup
But I guess that's the point.
KR and JA don't have to develop the setup for the Suzuki. Everyone knows what works with that bike. So is there a significant advantage to the more updated platforms if you are chasing your tail on basic setup, as riders seem to?
From a recent hilarious Insta w/ El Hombré & KR…
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Meaningless since we don't race without having fuel. Possibly a full tank of gas changes the handling a bit.
Only meaningless to people who don't understand what is being compared... which is apparently lost on some.
BTW, is this the same therapture of Sand Flea infamy on TT many years ago?
After you read a test of the Suzuki you’d never buy one. They act like its so slow and so rigid and the shock oh the shock. Thats what the OP is trying to say. The dead last bike such a flawed machine according to the tests, has proven to be capable of winning at the HIGHEST level of our sport. So, when are riders gonna stop listening these stupid shootouts? And think for yourself. Theyre just magazine repeaters. Say all these negative things about the RMZ and have never ridden one. Let alone compare the lap times of them on it.
If the RMZ250 had a electric start and a few more HP I would buy it in a heartbeat. I'm a weekend warrior that rides 25hrs a year (compared to 150 hours in the past).
It's incredible how insecure some of the Suzuki fans are.
I don't think the magazines are necessarily negative on many brands, they are just comparing one machine to another. The magazines state one machine is less fast, or more weight, etc.. I think most comparisons do state Suzuki's advantages like its cost and handling characteristics. We read the tests to know which bike is more powerful, or faster, or lighter, if the Suzuki isn't those things this simply gets reported. For me, at my age, I am not interested in characteristics certain bikes display, and I can be particular, I am glad magazine articles are one of the tools which can aid my purchase decisions. I don't think I have ever read an article that states the magazine "hates" a brand, or "you can't win", or "you can't enjoy" a brand of bike.
Agreed. Granted, they can be made into a good bike with some modifications and money. But most of the mag tests are comparing them in STOCK form.
Suzuki goes hard in Masters 50+ at Lorettas.
They literally should offer a Barry Carsten limited edition RMZ450 at this point! 😁
Really the biggest knock on both the RMZ250 and 450 is the stock suspension setup which hasn't been touched for nearly a decade. The 250, in particular, comes with some of the nicest suspension components in the industry (touted as super-premium on the ten-thousand dollar Triumph), with an insane base fork spring rate that testers have uniformly hated. It would cost actually nothing to make that bike pretty competitive in the shootouts, but Suzuki does not care.
If that bike came set up well and its base price (not rebated) reflected what it typically sells at, it would be as beloved as the YZ250 and SX125.
Wasn't Barry Carsten the only entrant in that class this year on a Suzuki?
2nd place
He didn’t ask you what place he got.
Maybe some truth to that, but they are on factory bikes with works suspension and borderline limitless resources for motor/suspension/chassis changes to make the bike great. That's a bit different than buying a bike from the dealer and thinking its the same quality and performance as a 2025 CRF etc
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And yet, there they are using stock clamps and the equipped KYB.
I think a typical rider would have a difficult time getting the parts and making a stock RMZ450 into the same bike Roczen races. And then there is the skill difference too. A lot of this is like saying your skateboard is as good as Tony Hawk's type nonsense.
The stock clamp is fine, but the internals of the fork, engine, linkage ratios, subframe possibly, hardware, ECU, and endless testing. I am not saying the RMZ is not a good bike (see my avatar from a 2013 I owned), but it is clearly behind in stock form. Pointing on one stock part and then the frame/engine cases having to be "stock" is just not reality when the base platform is far off.
I see your point and agree to a certain degree, but in the Eras video Roczen said that the stock bike is good and he doesn’t like to change too much. Also remember when he trialled all the brands and chose the Suzuki.
It’s not far off and plenty good enough for 99% of riders.
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