Coenens & SX

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10/16/2025 4:53pm
mxaniac wrote:

I'm told the current financial pecking order is:

SX

MXGP

AMA outdoors

But then, is it:

MXGP > SX+AMAMX

or

MXGP < SX+AMAMX

?

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10/16/2025 5:04pm
mxaniac wrote:

I'm told the current financial pecking order is:

SX

MXGP

AMA outdoors

RichieW13 wrote:

But then, is it:

MXGP > SX+AMAMX

or

MXGP < SX+AMAMX

?

Supercross pays the most. If you're a top MXGP rider you'd get paid more than a top AMA outdoors only rider, but less than an AMA SX only rider.

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mxaniac wrote:
Musquin Ferrandis Hunter and Jett, Shimoda, Vialle, Prado, Roczen etc demonstrate a compelling reason to come here exists. MXGP needs to get their act together or...

Musquin Ferrandis Hunter and Jett, Shimoda, Vialle, Prado, Roczen etc demonstrate a compelling reason to come here exists. MXGP needs to get their act together or that will become a feeder series for AMA.

RichieW13 wrote:
I don't pay much attention to MXGP (I only have so much time in the day).  Is there more financial opportunity in the SX/MX series, or...

I don't pay much attention to MXGP (I only have so much time in the day).  Is there more financial opportunity in the SX/MX series, or is it just a matter of wanting to come to America?  

mxaniac wrote:

I'm told the current financial pecking order is:

SX

MXGP

AMA outdoors

Fixed it for you…

SX

AMA Outdoors

SMX

MXGP

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Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs a ton of development in supercross. Even if he is that good, let him sneak in a couple of good performances on a 250 for some confidence. 

I guess 26 is the year to do it. We have so many guys on new bikes who won’t be super comfortable to push and race a new package. Not a fan of this decision. 

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10/16/2025 6:32pm
RichieW13 wrote:
I don't pay much attention to MXGP (I only have so much time in the day).  Is there more financial opportunity in the SX/MX series, or...

I don't pay much attention to MXGP (I only have so much time in the day).  Is there more financial opportunity in the SX/MX series, or is it just a matter of wanting to come to America?  

mxaniac wrote:

I'm told the current financial pecking order is:

SX

MXGP

AMA outdoors

yak651 wrote:

Fixed it for you…

SX

AMA Outdoors

SMX

MXGP

If you can earn more than 3.5 million with ama nationals you are right.....

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10/16/2025 7:51pm

People said Danger Boy style wouldn’t work in SX either, he hasn’t lit the stadiums up but he’s had some success indoors

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10/16/2025 11:05pm

Not saying your wrong but JT said both of them on 250's

My info wasnt fresh so it might have been changed or just have been bad info. My apologies if it was

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10/17/2025 9:19am
ando wrote:

Shimoda and Jett aren’t a product of MXGP and Hunter had a limited time there.

Five guys in fifteen years isn’t exactly a flood.

 

GrapeApe wrote:
Last 15 years? Reed, Chatfield, Anstie, Swaneopol, Townley, Rattray, Pourcel, Searle, Noren, Musquin, Roczen, Tonus, Ferrandis, Lawrence, Kullas, Farres, Vialle, Prado, Guillod, Paturel, Haarup. That doesn't...

Last 15 years? Reed, Chatfield, Anstie, Swaneopol, Townley, Rattray, Pourcel, Searle, Noren, Musquin, Roczen, Tonus, Ferrandis, Lawrence, Kullas, Farres, Vialle, Prado, Guillod, Paturel, Haarup. That doesn't count the dabblers like Desalle, Strijbos, DeDyker, Teillet, Simpson, Cairoli, Gilbert. I've probably missed some but you get the point.

Guys like Gajser, Fevre, and Herlings have been loyal and have carried the GP's for a while now, but when they retire the next generation all seem to have eyes on the US. I agree with mxaniac that the GPs need to make some changes if they want to retain the top European talent.

ando wrote:
Well if you’re including Reed then that’s 23 years and does cover more GP guys who have moved to the US.  Reed is debatable anyway as...

Well if you’re including Reed then that’s 23 years and does cover more GP guys who have moved to the US.  Reed is debatable anyway as he only stopped in Europe for one year on his way to the US.

But come on - “top European talent” doesn’t make me think of the likes of Guillod, Paturel, Kullas, Haarup.  You’re just padding out the numbers.

On average about once every three or so years a GP champion or genuine contender moves to the US and historically they’ve almost all been 250 guys, most likely because to get a full time ride in the US they need to do SX and better to make that transition early.  Prado was the first established 450/MXGP rider in over 25 years to move to the US.  I’m guessing this more recent trend of lower tier riders moving across is highly influenced by the money to be made from SMX and will likely continue.

Yes it’s true that the traffic is almost exclusively one way but this comes up every single time there’s a rumour that a GP rider wants to move to the US.  Suddenly the GP’s are in trouble and will collapse within a few years because all the talent is moving to the US.  So far it hasn’t happened the way a lot of people make it out.

Do youu ever let something rest or do you ALWAYS need to have the last word?

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ando wrote:

I suppose if you keep predicting something you’ll be right eventually.

Remind us how many are on the gate?

ando wrote:
Why?  I’m not commenting on whether the GP’s are better or worse than professional racing in the US.As I said above - whenever a top name...

Why?  I’m not commenting on whether the GP’s are better or worse than professional racing in the US.

As I said above - whenever a top name from the GP’s is rumoured to be moving to the US there’s a clamour from a number of US fans that it’s a sign the GP’s are failing.  This has been happening for decades.

BTW - I don’t consider that a gate of 40 riders every week in outdoor motocross is a measure of success.  The bottom half of that field gets lapped every single weekend and gets nothing in purse money.

Actually you are wrong all 40 get paid.....

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10/17/2025 12:44pm
yak651 wrote:

People said Danger Boy style wouldn’t work in SX either, he hasn’t lit the stadiums up but he’s had some success indoors

If by some you mean a title, some wins, and is either the first or second fastest guy when it comes to raw speed.

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10/17/2025 2:17pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2025 2:17pm
yak651 wrote:

People said Danger Boy style wouldn’t work in SX either, he hasn’t lit the stadiums up but he’s had some success indoors

Flatliner wrote:

If by some you mean a title, some wins, and is either the first or second fastest guy when it comes to raw speed.

Yep that’s what I mean. Success but not domination like outdoors where his style shines on a 250

10/17/2025 7:00pm
bens 152 wrote:
Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs...

Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs a ton of development in supercross. Even if he is that good, let him sneak in a couple of good performances on a 250 for some confidence. 

I guess 26 is the year to do it. We have so many guys on new bikes who won’t be super comfortable to push and race a new package. Not a fan of this decision. 

Thank you! Couldn't agree more

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10/17/2025 7:05pm
bens 152 wrote:
Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs...

Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs a ton of development in supercross. Even if he is that good, let him sneak in a couple of good performances on a 250 for some confidence. 

I guess 26 is the year to do it. We have so many guys on new bikes who won’t be super comfortable to push and race a new package. Not a fan of this decision. 

I also completely agree

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10/17/2025 8:26pm Edited Date/Time 10/17/2025 8:26pm
bens 152 wrote:
Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs...

Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs a ton of development in supercross. Even if he is that good, let him sneak in a couple of good performances on a 250 for some confidence. 

I guess 26 is the year to do it. We have so many guys on new bikes who won’t be super comfortable to push and race a new package. Not a fan of this decision. 

to give another perspective, why would yal put Lucas back on a 250 when they fully committed to 450s in gps 🤔 the schedule is already tight as is , yal goona throw tht boii rhythm off for the gp season & on top of tht , yal kno how the rules go , if the plan really is for 2028 full time , he wins the gp title before 28’ which he’s very capable of winning it , 250 SX is not even goona matter cause now has to be in the 450s 

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10/18/2025 12:44pm Edited Date/Time 10/18/2025 12:50pm
Dirt_Dawg wrote:

I don't know but them boys worry me on a SX track they ain't scared to go full send.. 😆Not hating.

They do crash a lot, Sasha probably the most, but remember that the MXGP tracks don't get an awful lot of love over a GP weekend, they're as rough as guts, we just saw the same crew do the prep for the Nations and guys were going down an awful lot, the brothers would probably crash less in an AMA outdoor series wouldn't you think? 

Sure SX is a different beast and always catches out newcomers but probably as it always would though 

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10/18/2025 6:08pm
bens 152 wrote:
Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs...

Putting Lucas on a 450 is insane. The way the track develops for the 450’s, the strength of the class. He’s still so young and needs a ton of development in supercross. Even if he is that good, let him sneak in a couple of good performances on a 250 for some confidence. 

I guess 26 is the year to do it. We have so many guys on new bikes who won’t be super comfortable to push and race a new package. Not a fan of this decision. 

stewie94 wrote:
to give another perspective, why would yal put Lucas back on a 250 when they fully committed to 450s in gps 🤔 the schedule is already...

to give another perspective, why would yal put Lucas back on a 250 when they fully committed to 450s in gps 🤔 the schedule is already tight as is , yal goona throw tht boii rhythm off for the gp season & on top of tht , yal kno how the rules go , if the plan really is for 2028 full time , he wins the gp title before 28’ which he’s very capable of winning it , 250 SX is not even goona matter cause now has to be in the 450s 

I get it as far as moving up and down between the 250 and 450. Splitting testing between two bikes. We don't want to see him get broken in half on a full on deathcross track, thats all. 

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There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full time US riders? 
Seems to me that the field is depleted by injuries every year regardless of origin.

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CPR wrote:
There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full...

There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full time US riders? 
Seems to me that the field is depleted by injuries every year regardless of origin.

You can't just spit facts here, that's now how it works. 😂

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10/18/2025 10:23pm
CPR wrote:
There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full...

There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full time US riders? 
Seems to me that the field is depleted by injuries every year regardless of origin.

Not to mention that just about every top level international rider that’s come to the US in the last thirty years has won a regional SX title - Pichon, Roncada, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Roczen, Musquin, Ferrandis, both the Lawrences, Vialle.

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10/19/2025 5:23am
CPR wrote:
There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full...

There’s always lots of talk of ‘surviving’ SX when international riders try their hand, but is there any evidence that they get injured more than full time US riders? 
Seems to me that the field is depleted by injuries every year regardless of origin.

ando wrote:
Not to mention that just about every top level international rider that’s come to the US in the last thirty years has won a regional SX...

Not to mention that just about every top level international rider that’s come to the US in the last thirty years has won a regional SX title - Pichon, Roncada, Reed, Langston, Townley, Pourcel, Roczen, Musquin, Ferrandis, both the Lawrences, Vialle.

They all cut their teeth on the 250 first. Honestly I don't care what class he rides, I just want to see him and his brother here riding in the States. Lucas was uber impressive at the Ironman 

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10/19/2025 10:20am
Ray_MXS wrote:

Sasha will be on a 250 and Lucas on a 450 confirmed.

Hard challenge for Lucas Coenen to start his american SX career directly in the big boys category ! 

Gotta remember who he (Coenen) has in his corner, just sayin ROGER!!

 

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10/19/2025 11:03am

Will they both be on 250’s or will one be on 250 and the other on a 450?

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10/19/2025 12:59pm

Honestly I am not that afraid by Lucas, even in 450. He rode like a vet this year, while being a rookie and in the title hunt. I really wish they get close to DV for instance or as good, the same as O'show with the Lawrence ; it is only a process and you need someone very knowlegeable in your corner to get to the next step. Without, not a chance.

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10/19/2025 9:55pm

Sacha seems too short to be good at whoops. Also he crashes a lot. Not a good combo. Well see. 

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Pop Shmoke wrote:

Sacha seems too short to be good at whoops. Also he crashes a lot. Not a good combo. Well see. 

Vialle managed to become a 2 time regional champ and his speed in the whoops were mediocre. I'm sure that Sasha will be able to be mediocre in the whoops and if you're fast enough around the rest of the track you can win 250 titles.

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Pop Shmoke wrote:

Sacha seems too short to be good at whoops. Also he crashes a lot. Not a good combo. Well see. 

There’s a Mr Stewart on the phone for you Pop.

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How tall is Sacha? Deegan is 5'7", and although it was a while ago Stew and RC are 5'4"-5'7" I think

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How tall is Sacha? Deegan is 5'7", and although it was a while ago Stew and RC are 5'4"-5'7" I think

Sorry Brian just called. Deegan is 5'7.5"

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10/20/2025 12:27pm

Any chance they’re in for Red Bud or Southwick? 
Perfect fit in the GP schedule.

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Where are they now?...? or was this fake news again about the coenens ......

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