Local riders- are you running a scoop?

No. Last time I ran a scoop on my YZ250 I lost the rear and crashed about 4 times over the weekend, which was more crashes than I had in 2 years. I don't think the power delivery of a 2 stroke lends itself particularly well to that type of tire, but I also suck, so 🤷‍♂️

I took my scoop off- was too much traction for me. Over drove the front end…😆

I like a tire with a hour or two on them. Just to take the edge off. Then perfect .

Yes, I have a Pirelli on it. Traction is awesome out of the turns. Dry hard pack it takes a little getting use to and sometimes feels like a flat, but still hooks up just as well as a normal tread and is just as fast if not faster around the track. Its on my 250 2 stroke. 

Localriders doesnt actually ride.He will wash your boots for you though

Yes. I have 2 tracks to go to locally every week, one is hard packed dry dirt so I run my MX34 wheel, the other track is  sandy/loose dirt so then I switch to my MX14 wheel. On the MX14 scoop I notice a significant difference, especially in straight aways. 

But the only downside for me is on the flat corners it’s way easier to slide out and lose the back end since there no grip once you start a lean angle and use the tire close to the sidewalls. But you kind of make up for it when you pass your buddy up right out of a corner because you have 3x traction driving you straight forward. 

Maybe he branched out his bussiness over the time and now also runs around with spoon in mythical Green Lanes, UK. 

* Pay you. 

Yes, but I ride in NJ, so mostly sand or deeper loamy tracks. We have deep sand but also some harder base stuff in areas (sort of like southwick). It’s night and day better. I run the Dunlop. I did lap times with and without it, and it’s good for 2 seconds on a 2 minute track. I can double into sand rollers out of corners I wouldn’t have the drive to do on a regular tire. 

If you ride any sand, and rarely hit hard pack, it’s certainly worth trying. Worst case you’ll only get 8-10 hours out of it. 

The MX34 is more versatile on all surfaces for me personally. I have a friend that runs the scoop everywhere. When our local club has just been dozed it works great there. Once that track has been baked by the sun a couple days it hardens right up and I struggle with the scoop in the corners. Ideally I'd have a couple sets of rims with a scoop setup and an MX34 setup. 

I forgot about this. 

https://www.vitalmx.com/features/how-much-faster-are-scoop-tires-dunlop…

I run them exclusively at my home track in Northern California, I rip it super deep and it’s loamy topsoil but it has a hard base and def has hardpack sections. The scoop is an amazing tire, when it’s better it’s 500% better and when it’s worse it’s 80-90% as good imo. It’s a tire you learn to ride also, I’ve probably got a couple hundred hours on them now and I’ve really learned to use their advantages and then deal with them in less than ideal conditions. At the public tracks in northern California I always start with the scoop and then switch to my at82 in the scoop direction if the track goes away too much. 

South jersey, weve ran them exclusively for about 2 years. Race harescrambles and moto, my kids love them. Dunlop unfortunately has priced us out of tires so we switched to michelins and will try their scoop in the off season

Yes. If we're racing, then we have to have them on the start. So, if we're going to need it for the start might as well use it all the time and be used to it. 

We have started selling more and more MX14's, we do trackside support so we change a LOT of tires.  On sandy tracks or if rain is predicted we stack the 14's deep.  We are seeing more being ran at more hard packed tracks as well.  One of our really fast 125 kids trains in sand, he ran the scoop at a hard pack clay based track this weekend and checked out... 

I use the Pirelli paddle, I’ve ridden the mx12 and mx14 and like the Pirelli more than both.

I’m going to try the rinaldi next as it’s nearly half

The price of the Dunlop and Pirelli.

The Pirelli lasts a really long time which is shocking even in hard and intermediate terrain

I don’t ride any pure sand tracks and get more life from the Pirelli scoop than I

Did the standard Pirelli rears .

Yep, both my son and I use the MX14, very popular tire, see a lot of them in N Fl.

Just was at KROC Raceway park saw quite a bit of scoops.

On sand and in Oklahoma or Texas, yes. But in Missouri and Kansas- no. 

You said Vet A-B, so I assume you aren't going Pro anytime soon.  Same situation here.  So I am not really going to get too hung up on my tire choice.  It's not a hard decision here in AZ since our tracks are baked concrete about 2 hrs into the day, no matter how deep they are ripped at the start.  for me, vet racing is about the fun, not really the win.  So, if a regular knobby gets me a crappy start and works better on the rest of the track, I am fine with that.  I have only used a scoop once in my life and that was when I went to a full sand track in another state and it was a no brainer.

Not in Kansas?  Not even at Bar 2 Bar?

2 smokes rear steer so transition from side to center enables it to let go
Went crazy tryin to set up bike to work with it. 

I love riding behind scoop tires. Only time I’ve ever considered wearing a cup was after following a scoop tire for 1/2 a lap!  Ouchie!!

Yes, MX14 on my 450, and a big honkin 140/80-18 IRC M5B (semi scoop)? on my CR500. But I want to try that Dunlop AT82. I hear good things.

We always had an MX14 on a spare rim. It's a must at some of the PNW winter tracks, and others when they prep deep and wet (Washougal). Often we will change to the MX34 mid-day as conditions change. At a place like Woodland MX all you see on the line is MX14s. 

Yo, is that whats going on? Ive really noticed this season getting machine gunned by roost. So much that I'm finally breaking down and getting a chest protector after about a decade of not wearing one. I know, I know, I should have already been wearing one. Its all the damn scoop tires lol. Thats funny. I've been like, whats going on I'm getting blasted like this?! 

Vet A as well - it's awesome just about everywhere as long as there's some moisture in the soil. Really gotta press into the outside peg to get it to stick on flat / slicker turns. Makes it kinda hard to deal with late in the day when the track is dry and I'm tired.

12.5-13 psi. Seems to last pretty good too. I think the pirelli is better, but doesn't hold up if you take it on harder or rocky tracks. 

Behind a Stark with a scoop, should be considered assault,  lol!

I ran the scoop on my 250 2T. The big disadvantage of the 2T is getting hooked up when leaned over. The bike isn't doing that well no matter what, so throw the scoop on it so that once you do get it straight up and down and pointed in the right direction it will go like a bat out of hell. I wouldn't use it on hardpack, but in deep loose dirt, watered track, mud, or sand it's a good tire.

Vet B on a 250T here - I'd rather run a hardpack tire in sand than a scoop pattern on anything remotely hardpack.

This thread needs a poll with a "Hell no!" option, because that's what I'd pick. 

My son started running the Pirelli sand tire in 21. Its was by far the best scoop tire then and IMO is still slightly better than the current Dunlop. We did it to mainly help with starts as he was competing the Amateur circuit and then qualified for LL in 22. He got so used to it that he could manage it even when tracks dried up late in the day. Most tracks the start would stay soft all day and it helped him pull many holeshots along the way. We live near Houston and still ride all over the Texas triangle (Houston-Dallas-San Antonio) and most tracks had a good mix of sand on them and we still run the scoop 90% of the time. Starts, Starts, Starts. He still pulls holeshots regularly, me too in the Vet class.