Prado drama continuing?

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9/29/2025 7:01am

I wish Tickle would have ridden Andersons bike the last couple nationals. 

Or who was that privateer, Harrington that was riding by Prado?  

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9/29/2025 7:02am
dingaling wrote:
I don't understand all the confusion? It's very simple. Agreements, contracts, payments, investments, commitments etc were done by all parties. Prado is breaching the contract so...

I don't understand all the confusion? It's very simple. Agreements, contracts, payments, investments, commitments etc were done by all parties. Prado is breaching the contract so compensation is required to get out of said contract. For Kawi and Monster its not about the money. It's the principle.

crusty_xx wrote:

On the other hand Prado seems to think Kawi breached the contract first ("best efforts" clause, etc.). I guess we'll never know the full story

kage173 wrote:

Really?

Really.

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3strokemx wrote:

Or Sexton cant break the top 5 and says the bike isn't safe, that would make it worser

IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which...
IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which Jett won on) and complained about the KTM (Which AP & RJ have ridden well on) now getting on the green bike which their star rider has complained about all year... If Chase isn't feeling' it, he can easily say "Prado was right- the bike is bad!" and it'll take Kawasaki years to recover.
agn5008 wrote:

When did Chase complain about either bike? I keep seeing these accusations but never see any proof. Care to share some proof with me? 

Exactly! I never heard him actually complain, especially not like JP did. He did say a few times they were chasing the set up, but lot's of riders say that when they change brands. KR, ET, CW to name a few.

But you can't question Chase's effort. He always rides hard, even when the set up is off. Unlike JP.

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9/29/2025 7:17am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2025 8:12am
yardsailor wrote:

I wish Tickle would have ridden Andersons bike the last couple nationals. 

Or who was that privateer, Harrington that was riding by Prado?  

For the record, out of 11 outdoor rounds, Harrison only finished better than Prado twice (at High Point and Washougal). And at the end of the series, Prado collected 269 points (6th place) to Harrison’s 129 points (16th place).

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9/29/2025 7:30am
As much as Prado did to smear Monster Energy Kawasaki by not trying this year, I hope they drag this out so long that he is...

As much as Prado did to smear Monster Energy Kawasaki by not trying this year, I hope they drag this out so long that he is forced to stay on the team for another year.  I don’t think it will look good for Prado when Sexton gets on the bike and puts it on the box right away in Supercross in January.  

He did everything he could to make the team look bad.  Let’s see what kind of deals flow Prado’s way when Chase proves the bike is competitive and Prado is just a quitter and a whiner.  We’ve all heard the stories of Tickle testing engine after engine and the team spending weeks at a time sweating their asses off in the Carolinas in an attempt to deliver Prado a package he can win with.  

I think we’ll see next weekend that Prado’s biggest issue that kept him from winning wasn’t the bike, it was the brothers Lawrence.  When he realized he had nothing for them, he just threw in the towel.  He needs to go back to the GPs where they have a hard time finding 20 guys to line up sometimes.

Even if you're right and Kawi did do everything possible, and Prado is to blame for the entire situation (which is never the case), taking this approach would just end up hurting Kawi and Monster more than Prado. From a contractual stand point, it might feel good, but from a marketing and brand perspective, it would only hurt them more. Monster and Kawi brands are worth more than Prado's so they stand more to lose. 

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There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is that old proverb about assumptions?

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There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is...

There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is that old proverb about assumptions?

Light a man a fire and he will be warm for a night. 
Light a man on fire and he will be warm the rest of his life.

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9/29/2025 8:47am

Remember when Prado came over on the GasGas and won that heat race in the mud and everyone was so happy and excited for him to be here full time? Lmao good times 

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3strokemx wrote:

Or Sexton cant break the top 5 and says the bike isn't safe, that would make it worser

IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which...
IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which Jett won on) and complained about the KTM (Which AP & RJ have ridden well on) now getting on the green bike which their star rider has complained about all year... If Chase isn't feeling' it, he can easily say "Prado was right- the bike is bad!" and it'll take Kawasaki years to recover.
agn5008 wrote:

When did Chase complain about either bike? I keep seeing these accusations but never see any proof. Care to share some proof with me? 

There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This is absolutely nothing like Prado actually complaining though lol. More so just Chase stating he couldn’t push the bike, or uncomfortable with his setup tonight, couldn’t trust the front, etc. I’m not going to go find those interviews for you but they’re out there. 

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Kawi/monster also doesn’t want this to happen again…. 

So if they just let a rider out of contract for acting how he did, the next rider could potentially expect to do the same if they don’t like the bike. You have to stay firm on the contract obligations to assure the next rider won’t do the same 

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Ozy wrote:
There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is...

There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is that old proverb about assumptions?

3strokemx wrote:
Light a man a fire and he will be warm for a night. Light a man on fire and he will be warm the rest of his...

Light a man a fire and he will be warm for a night. 
Light a man on fire and he will be warm the rest of his life.

He who runs behind bus gets exhausted. He who runs in front of bus gets tired. 

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IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which...
IMO, Chase is a dangerous signing for Kawi right now. It's well documented he's a head case, We know how he complained about the Honda (Which Jett won on) and complained about the KTM (Which AP & RJ have ridden well on) now getting on the green bike which their star rider has complained about all year... If Chase isn't feeling' it, he can easily say "Prado was right- the bike is bad!" and it'll take Kawasaki years to recover.
agn5008 wrote:

When did Chase complain about either bike? I keep seeing these accusations but never see any proof. Care to share some proof with me? 

deadlo wrote:
There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This...

There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This is absolutely nothing like Prado actually complaining though lol. More so just Chase stating he couldn’t push the bike, or uncomfortable with his setup tonight, couldn’t trust the front, etc. I’m not going to go find those interviews for you but they’re out there. 

Complaining and discussing an issue isn’t the same thing. Sexton has been nothing but professional. There’s a massive difference between the way he has carried himself vs the way Prado has. 

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Ozy wrote:
There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is...

There are two sides to every story and since neither side has gone public all the Vitards can do is speculate . . . what is that old proverb about assumptions?

To assume makes an ass out of u and me.. ? 

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9/29/2025 9:40am
deadlo wrote:
Kawi/monster also doesn’t want this to happen again…. So if they just let a rider out of contract for acting how he did, the next rider could...

Kawi/monster also doesn’t want this to happen again…. 

So if they just let a rider out of contract for acting how he did, the next rider could potentially expect to do the same if they don’t like the bike. You have to stay firm on the contract obligations to assure the next rider won’t do the same 

I think they do want it to happen but they want him to pay them some money first. Personally, I think this is headed to court unless there’s some kind of Hail Mary last minute sponsor that swoops in and kicks Kawi/Monster some money for Prado. 

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9/29/2025 9:41am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2025 9:43am
crusty_xx wrote:

On the other hand Prado seems to think Kawi breached the contract first ("best efforts" clause, etc.). I guess we'll never know the full story

kage173 wrote:

Really?

crusty_xx wrote:

Really.

Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

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kage173 wrote:

Really?

crusty_xx wrote:

Really.

kage173 wrote:
Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

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Just look at how underpowered that KX is. 🤪

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9/29/2025 9:49am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2025 9:52am

Not sure why anyone would say it's a hp issue, let alone someone else believe it. But, isn't "best efforts" basically why Tomac left green for blue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zoSU3uIyA

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deadlo wrote:
Kawi/monster also doesn’t want this to happen again…. So if they just let a rider out of contract for acting how he did, the next rider could...

Kawi/monster also doesn’t want this to happen again…. 

So if they just let a rider out of contract for acting how he did, the next rider could potentially expect to do the same if they don’t like the bike. You have to stay firm on the contract obligations to assure the next rider won’t do the same 

I think they do want it to happen but they want him to pay them some money first. Personally, I think this is headed to court...

I think they do want it to happen but they want him to pay them some money first. Personally, I think this is headed to court unless there’s some kind of Hail Mary last minute sponsor that swoops in and kicks Kawi/Monster some money for Prado. 

I think you misunderstood me. By them not wanting it to happen again, I mean that they don’t want the next kawi rider to pull a Prado knowing they’ll get out of their contract without paying dues. They definitely want Prado gone lol. 

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9/29/2025 9:53am
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Not sure why anyone would say it's a hp issue, let alone someone else believe it. But, isn't "best efforts" basically why Tomac left green for...

Not sure why anyone would say it's a hp issue, let alone someone else believe it. But, isn't "best efforts" basically why Tomac left green for blue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6zoSU3uIyA

Who knows.  Either way, Tomac did a lot more winning (both quantity of wins and championship and as a percentage of wins per races competed in) on his green bike than he has on the blue one.

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9/29/2025 9:56am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2025 9:58am
agn5008 wrote:

When did Chase complain about either bike? I keep seeing these accusations but never see any proof. Care to share some proof with me? 

deadlo wrote:
There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This...

There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This is absolutely nothing like Prado actually complaining though lol. More so just Chase stating he couldn’t push the bike, or uncomfortable with his setup tonight, couldn’t trust the front, etc. I’m not going to go find those interviews for you but they’re out there. 

agn5008 wrote:
Complaining and discussing an issue isn’t the same thing. Sexton has been nothing but professional. There’s a massive difference between the way he has carried himself...

Complaining and discussing an issue isn’t the same thing. Sexton has been nothing but professional. There’s a massive difference between the way he has carried himself vs the way Prado has. 

It’s annoying you couldn’t just search this yourself, but here you go. I’d say this for sure falls under the term “complain” and it’s actually even a little worse than I remember it being. Still not same as Prado, but you cannot tell me this isn’t complaining about the bike. I really wouldn’t even care if Prado complains, it’s his effort during the race with the complaints that is completely unprofessional. 

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9/29/2025 9:56am Edited Date/Time 9/29/2025 9:59am
kage173 wrote:

Really?

crusty_xx wrote:

Really.

kage173 wrote:
Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

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Yeah I guess we'd have to assume that Your Honor's IQ is higher than the Kawi's horse power

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Prado has been stuck in his own fart bubble for so long, he thinks everyone else is shitting their pants. I was excited to see him come over but damn, the whole way he handled it was embarrassing. 

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kage173 wrote:

Really?

crusty_xx wrote:

Really.

kage173 wrote:
Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

Your honor, the plaintiff states the bIke wasn't fast enough. We submit Exhibit A into evidence

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That looks like a Monster Energy/SpaceX/Kawi to me 😂😂😂

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Yeah, fart bubble is right, go back to MXGP don't get blacklisted like Kenny

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9/29/2025 11:03am
agn5008 wrote:

When did Chase complain about either bike? I keep seeing these accusations but never see any proof. Care to share some proof with me? 

deadlo wrote:
There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This...

There’s plenty interviews of Chase professionally “complaining” about his bike. I wouldn’t even necessarily say complain, but after the interview you definitely catch his drift. This is absolutely nothing like Prado actually complaining though lol. More so just Chase stating he couldn’t push the bike, or uncomfortable with his setup tonight, couldn’t trust the front, etc. I’m not going to go find those interviews for you but they’re out there. 

agn5008 wrote:
Complaining and discussing an issue isn’t the same thing. Sexton has been nothing but professional. There’s a massive difference between the way he has carried himself...

Complaining and discussing an issue isn’t the same thing. Sexton has been nothing but professional. There’s a massive difference between the way he has carried himself vs the way Prado has. 

Was there not a while where chase didnt wear the redbull ktm hat or wore it back to front or something?

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9/29/2025 11:19am

Prado doesn't have any money left because he wrote Deegan a fat check before Vegas to divert all the attention away from him.

Good one!😂💯

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And they have a history of this, not giving a rider what they want.  Would not be hard to prove. 

I actually think it would be very hard to prove.  You think prado has a record of every test day, every part or setting tested?  I bet kawi does, along with how many staff were utilized, hours spent exc.

 You've been around,  its not like if he insisted he must be on Ohlins suspension kawi will give it to him.  From the outside though, the bits and pieces tickle would give, Taka would give,  the team worked about as hard as possible to make him happy.

His attitude was always, I should be winning , and if I'm not its the teams fault.

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This is uncomfortable for all parties and none of this is looking favourable for Kawi regardless of the outcome.

To put the morality of a signed contract to one side, Kawi look like a bitter ex partner headed for divorce court, and they have Chase coming in- with both of their mental baggage combined, this new relationship feels doomed from the start, especially without a top line number 2 rider to share the load with testing and development. 

It’s all upside for KTM, if it goes bad- it’s Prados fault he couldn’t cut it in the USA. If Prado rides with a chip on his shoulder like we all think he will, his performance will be several levels above where he was at Kawi and will somewhat validate KTMs platform and team in the USA after a sub-par 2025
 

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You would think when an athlete gets to Prado's position it's quite possible he is surrounded by yes men and hangers on who would always tell him he is always right and never in the wrong. When the realities of racing SX, getting injured, adapting to a new scooter, the competitiveness of the outdoor series reared it's ugly head in bad results an uncompetitive bike would be an easy conclusion for his posse to steer Prado to. I hate to postulate, but this seems the case. Shame, I find it hard to think he will be more than top five regularily on a KTM either his first year. Which would be decent, respectable considering circumstances.

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9/29/2025 12:01pm
philG wrote:

And they have a history of this, not giving a rider what they want.  Would not be hard to prove. 

Flatliner wrote:
I actually think it would be very hard to prove.  You think prado has a record of every test day, every part or setting tested?  I...

I actually think it would be very hard to prove.  You think prado has a record of every test day, every part or setting tested?  I bet kawi does, along with how many staff were utilized, hours spent exc.

 You've been around,  its not like if he insisted he must be on Ohlins suspension kawi will give it to him.  From the outside though, the bits and pieces tickle would give, Taka would give,  the team worked about as hard as possible to make him happy.

His attitude was always, I should be winning , and if I'm not its the teams fault.

Those are some good thoughts.👍🏻

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