MXdN which other tracks which other countries

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Listening to the Kellen and Lewis podcast on my 30 miles cycle today, Kellen brought up a very good point.

Aren’t we tired of dog going back to the same 3-4 countries and the same 3-4 tracks for the MX des Narions, over and over again.

At least in the U.S. we’ve been going to different ones Buddy, Lakewood (I went to those 2, just sayin’ 😎), Red Bud (missed that unfortunately, life, relocated, etc), and now Ironman. 

Shouldn’t we race MXdN in Germany, Holland, Oz, South Africa, Sweden again, etc? I understand some countries are to complicated logistically, but shouldn’t they really spread it?

Maybe it’s also time  join the likes of Olympics, Soccer and Rugby world cups and do it every 4 or 5 years?

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Ernée/Kegums/Matterley/Lommel/random US track.

Rotate for the next 20 years…

Maybe st jean d’angely…

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Saint Jean is good crowd

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8/8/2025 5:18pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2025 5:18pm

They make a good point.  I, personally, am tired of the race being held in Ernee France as often as it has (three times from 2020 to 2026).  I get it with the logistics of everything, but move the event to different places.  There's no reason why one track should get the race more than once in a 5 year time frame.

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spd721 wrote:
They make a good point.  I, personally, am tired of the race being held in Ernee France as often as it has (three times from 2020...

They make a good point.  I, personally, am tired of the race being held in Ernee France as often as it has (three times from 2020 to 2026).  I get it with the logistics of everything, but move the event to different places.  There's no reason why one track should get the race more than once in a 5 year time frame.

If you are tired of these many times Ernée had the race… how many times have you been there in person? 

Spectatorwise its the best track ever!!
And the partying/mingling with mx people from all over the world talking about the motos, insanely good times (of course you stay at the camping!) 

2010 MXoN campsite in colorado was like a graveyard.. 

Donington 2008… fkn hell 😄 

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With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

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aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

Always wished something would of come from Ride Park Victoria.


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aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

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aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

CPR wrote:

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

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They want successful events and the places you list are successful. Think of the GP at Glen Helen, maybe 1500 pp.

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Shenzi wrote:

Saint Jean is good crowd

 Nowhere to stay for quite a ways away 

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DOSE CYCUL RANCH IN TEXAS EVER GET THIS RACE BEFORE? 

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I think it’s to do with tracks that have the pit facilities, spectator capacity and infrastructure, as well as reasonable proximity to transport & hotels etc.

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8/8/2025 7:26pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2025 7:26pm
aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

CPR wrote:

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

aeffertz wrote:

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

Mostly supporting track infrastructure like sufficient pit area, parking and facilities, but also being close enough to international airports and accommodation. 

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aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

CPR wrote:

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

aeffertz wrote:

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy 

Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous landfill it's sitting on.

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CPR wrote:

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

aeffertz wrote:

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous...

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy 

Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous landfill it's sitting on.

Manji held it in 92 and holds the biggest race in oz every year. A few upgrades and it could be ready again for mxdn. It's frustrating seeing it rotate between the same few tracks and countries every few years.

Also this idea of holding it every few years like the Olympics is stupid. A rider in their prime one year can be completely out of the loop in a year or two and miss having a shot at mxdn. MX rider's careers are so short and can be fickle, give them every opportunity possible 

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CPR wrote:

There’s plenty of worthy tracks, but a lack of supporting infrastructure is the problem.

aeffertz wrote:

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous...

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy 

Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous landfill it's sitting on.

Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such a race, is an unjust opinion.

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aeffertz wrote:

Like the surrounding area with hotels and such or none of the tracks have enough room to host that type of event?

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous...

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy 

Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous landfill it's sitting on.

CPR wrote:
Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such...

Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such a race, is an unjust opinion.

Hit me..whatcha got?

Name me Australia's track that's in the same circle as Red Bud,Lommel,Ernee' etc and can hold the worlds best.

Has the qualities or characteristics to be considered deserving of the motocross of nations

Doesn't exist man.

Not worthy

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I've always wondered why Hangtown is never a candidate for the MXdN.  Really close to Sacramento which has plenty of hotels and travel accomodations since its the capitol of California.  Great track and huge facility... and a race in october would be much more pleasant for everyone compared to early May when its 100 degrees out.

8/8/2025 11:39pm

Bulgaria would be good, track is incredible.

And it would be cheap to go to.

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8/8/2025 11:46pm Edited Date/Time 8/8/2025 11:54pm
aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

Woodville Mx track in New Zealand. It only gets used once a year and is usually a cow pasture.

 

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No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous...

No track in Oz could hold a des nations or is worthy 

Ride park in the middle of nowhere,always left out of the shot is the Ginormous landfill it's sitting on.

CPR wrote:
Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such...

Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such a race, is an unjust opinion.

Hit me..whatcha got?Name me Australia's track that's in the same circle as Red Bud,Lommel,Ernee' etc and can hold the worlds best.Has the qualities or characteristics to...

Hit me..whatcha got?

Name me Australia's track that's in the same circle as Red Bud,Lommel,Ernee' etc and can hold the worlds best.

Has the qualities or characteristics to be considered deserving of the motocross of nations

Doesn't exist man.

Not worthy

Gum Valley and Echo Valley have awesome undulating tracks, or even Conondale for a grassed natural terrain like old school Unadilla. And that’s just Queensland. 
All have held Aussie title rounds and have the ability to supply a worthy track, they just aren’t suitable because they’re not able to supply the required supporting infrastructure for MXdN.

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if they ever get away from the same damn rotation , give me some Millville, lommel & patagonia argentina , please & thank u 🙏🏾 

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Bulgaria would be good, track is incredible.And it would be cheap to go to.

Bulgaria would be good, track is incredible.

And it would be cheap to go to.

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I think it got voted as the best GP of the year, a couple of times?

But, supposedly it was somewhat difficult to get to for the teams? 

More than likely it stopping going there was the usual thing : the Mind Boggling Costs associated with the price of the contract and expenses of holding one of "Luongos Races".

As for OZ having worthy tracks - there's a few, but, without a doubt, the facilities would have to be upgraded - though, the 'Circus' is incredibly diminished for overseas races, in terms of Teams brought equipment etc.

We. like everywhere, have Massive Festivals / Events, so we have  the companies with portable infrastructure to easily handle an event the size of the MXdN . 

It just comes down to the cost of it all, and, whether a profit can be made. 

Didn't the 2007 Buds Creek MXdN near break Buds Creek, when it was held there?

If the Darwin MXGP is  a success, perhaps that venue will become  the OZ MXdN. The facilities at Hidden Valley RR circuit, are far past any US MX track, in them being Right There, and, permanent. But Bloody Darwin - away from Everything, and Every Bloody Where, FFS!

The track looks like it may well be a good one. 

I spent last night with my finger hovering over the 'Book Now' button for Flights and Accommodation to the event, and the $825pp "Holeshot Hotel" (I've already got GA tickets I've given away), as this old Bear and Boss needs some comfort. But, it all adds up to well over 3K, easily, and I've yet to sort out my work OS before and after, so am reluctant to risk blowing that money. I'm leaving it 'til the next week, and, in a way, I hope the Flight / Acc / Tickets are sold out ( all the other 'fancy' area tickets are sold out ) - to ease my guilt at perhaps Not going to a GP here in OZ, after a couple of decades waiting........😔

As I've written before, ad nauseum I know, hold a GP or MXdN at Eastern Creek / Western Sydney Motorsports Complex, promote it properly, and it would be a success - and they could make a great track there, with the main hill and amphitheater like area on the southern side. 

 

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if they ever get away from the same damn rotation , give me some Millville, lommel & patagonia argentina , please & thank u 🙏🏾 

Millville is the best track in AMA for mine, and with the Martin brothers taking over the reins, it sounds like they’re keen to work towards it. 
Lommel is a given, as should be Bulgaria. Argentina was awesome, and as far as the prohibitive costs go; they don’t usually hold a MXGP round at a track if it’s hosting MXdN that year, so costs basically remain the same for GP teams. While South America is close for AMA teams, and smaller countries like Australia, NZ, Japan etc. normally find a way no matter where it’s held. 
Ernee is great and probably the MXdN gold standard, but maybe shouldn’t be in the rotation quite so often. 
It’d be good for the sport if the hosts were mixed up a bit more.

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8/9/2025 1:13am
aeffertz wrote:

With the amount of talent coming out of Australia and NZ, are there any tracks down there that could be an option?

It costs too much for smaller countries to run this extravaganza, the fees are rediculusly  high. 

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I've had the same discussion on a Belgian Facebookpage last week. Someone stated: "Why always the same circuits when so many venues are eager to host a Nations?"

My reply:
"Do you think there are really that many countries eager to host the Nations? I think that's a big disappointment. Don't forget the cost. The fact that there's been a sort of "carousel" of hosting locations in recent years, between RedBud (twice in 4 editions), Matterley Basin (twice in 7 editions), Ernée (3 times in 11 editions, and even twice in 4 editions; they're returning there in 2026), Assen (twice in 8 editions), and now several times in the USA (4 times in 10 editions) isn't a sign of luxury in my opinion. The same with the GP calendar: twice in France, twice in Spain, twice in Italy... In previous seasons, twice in Indonesia, three times in Italy... In 2022, even four times in Italy.

Organizers simply aren't taking the risk anymore. The days when circuits like Ķegums, Indaiatuba, or Nismes were allowed to organize are definitely over. It's either a circuit from the list above, or a custom-built circuit like we've already had in Franciacorta, Donington Park, Zolder, and so on. A venue like Trentino can't handle that kind of organization; they already have enough problems with a regular GP in terms of both organization and venue. I don't think great venues like Loket, Águeda, or Uddevalla are interested or don't have the money. Infront also sets higher standards/requests more money for organizing a Nations than for organizing a GP. Just ask the people of Lommel."

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CPR wrote:
Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such...

Agree no current track would be immediately ready to hold an event the size of MXdN, but to say there are no tracks worthy of such a race, is an unjust opinion.

Hit me..whatcha got?Name me Australia's track that's in the same circle as Red Bud,Lommel,Ernee' etc and can hold the worlds best.Has the qualities or characteristics to...

Hit me..whatcha got?

Name me Australia's track that's in the same circle as Red Bud,Lommel,Ernee' etc and can hold the worlds best.

Has the qualities or characteristics to be considered deserving of the motocross of nations

Doesn't exist man.

Not worthy

CPR wrote:
Gum Valley and Echo Valley have awesome undulating tracks, or even Conondale for a grassed natural terrain like old school Unadilla. And that’s just Queensland. All have...

Gum Valley and Echo Valley have awesome undulating tracks, or even Conondale for a grassed natural terrain like old school Unadilla. And that’s just Queensland. 
All have held Aussie title rounds and have the ability to supply a worthy track, they just aren’t suitable because they’re not able to supply the required supporting infrastructure for MXdN.

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True CPR, Echo Valley is an awesome track, but like you said, it would be impossible to host the MXdN. The track takes up almost the entire paddock. And now the that the track is fenced, limits the spectator areas. Years ago they had a tunnel under the track near the start line, and people could get into the infield, and the pits that were also in there. The entire hill was full of spectators, way different now.  Do you think QMP could handle it? They certainly have the room, shit loads of camping area, close to accommodation for the pussies.

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CPR wrote:
Gum Valley and Echo Valley have awesome undulating tracks, or even Conondale for a grassed natural terrain like old school Unadilla. And that’s just Queensland. All have...

Gum Valley and Echo Valley have awesome undulating tracks, or even Conondale for a grassed natural terrain like old school Unadilla. And that’s just Queensland. 
All have held Aussie title rounds and have the ability to supply a worthy track, they just aren’t suitable because they’re not able to supply the required supporting infrastructure for MXdN.

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Gum Valley for sure, could clear off more cane paddocks for parking if needed, massive pit area, can utilise the infield area for spectators aswell, combination of hard pack,Hilly, sand, big jumps. 

Only downside 45min from Mackay

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