Lorettas DQ

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971_Fan wrote:
I forgot, you're all perfect.  They are the only one's who have done it, right?  None you have ever done anything worse than cheating in a...

I forgot, you're all perfect.  They are the only one's who have done it, right?  None you have ever done anything worse than cheating in a pw class in your entire lives, right?  A bunch of gossip girls who get off on putting people on blast. 

To the people with a lower than average IQ, which is most of vitalmx: I am not condoning cheating. 

You may be the most intelligent guy on Vital, but you certainly don’t come off that way. 

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crowe660 wrote:

There’s a drug ring inside MXSports

Theres a drug ring inside of vitalmx..

Hey mxb2, can i get a couple kilos?🤣

Iykyk. . . .hahaha

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pwdad wrote:

This is wrong and you would not pass an inspection

Out of curiosity, what is wrong about this? Looking at the limited rules chart, carb jetting is allowed, the oil injection states it must operate as designed, fuel is allowed and nothing about bearings is mentioned. Reading through the other items,  I would interpret that the bearings would simply need to "maintain shape, design, and material". You could certainly find a more efficient bearing for the right price that fits that definition and the oil injection can be tuned "per the design". I imagine this is the grey area everyone lives in so why would any of this not pass?

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crowe660 wrote:

There’s a drug ring inside MXSports

Theres a drug ring inside of vitalmx..

Hey mxb2, can i get a couple kilos?🤣

Iykyk. . . .hahaha

What ever happened to mxb2? Haven’t seen him post in a while. 

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MxSports can make bank by leasing out 42 PW's for the event

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MxSports can make bank by leasing out 42 PW's for the event

They’d probably charge $5k per rental. 

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MxSports can make bank by leasing out 42 PW's for the event

agn5008 wrote:

They’d probably charge $5k per rental. 

Complain about any bike issues and you’re banned.

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971_Fan wrote:

The holier-than-thou vital crowd has found their new villain. 

zehn wrote:

Deegan’s #1 fan is apparently ok with cheating at LL, you can’t write this shit hahahahaha

Farmer J wrote:

Let's not forget the time deegan did the same thing and got caught at oak hill. Anyone willing to cheat a little kid is a pos. 

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

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Wasn’t there an incident in that class one year where the winner got his bike protested so that rider protested the second place finisher because they...

Wasn’t there an incident in that class one year where the winner got his bike protested so that rider protested the second place finisher because they knew they were caught but also knew second were also cheating and it ended up being like the top 7 or 8 riders got there bikes torn down in a chain of protests and they all had cheater parts so the win defaulted to the ninth place finisher?

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The 1988 Olympic Mens 100 meter final comes to mind here. 

That was one of the proudest moments in Canadian history until it wasn't. 9.79! LOL. Our imported Jamaican Ben Johnson apparently got some rocket fuel "by mistake" and popped positive for banned substance. The bullshit stories they tried to use to cover this up were unreliable. In Ben's defense, he was just eating and drinking what he was told by trainers and Doctors... he was dumb as a post... but he could run fast.

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Craig125 wrote:
Come on! Obviously you have not worked in the industry or sponsored events in the past. Do you realize how expensive that would be for Yamaha...

Come on! Obviously you have not worked in the industry or sponsored events in the past. Do you realize how expensive that would be for Yamaha or any OEM for that matter? And what's in it for them? They "donate" 50 bikes and then sell them for a loss after the event? Bikes will be damaged, used, scratched and maybe broken. OEM's don't make money off of sponsorships or giving bikes away... They make money off of people buying bikes, riding/ racing them and then buy parts for the bikes. Yamaha would only lose money in this situation... How about people just dont cheat.. that seems a lot more simple. 

I take it you’re not familiar with Yamaha and Kawasaki “race of champions” races ? 

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Toddler125 wrote:
That was one of the proudest moments in Canadian history until it wasn't. 9.79! LOL. Our imported Jamaican Ben Johnson apparently got some rocket fuel "by...

That was one of the proudest moments in Canadian history until it wasn't. 9.79! LOL. Our imported Jamaican Ben Johnson apparently got some rocket fuel "by mistake" and popped positive for banned substance. The bullshit stories they tried to use to cover this up were unreliable. In Ben's defense, he was just eating and drinking what he was told by trainers and Doctors... he was dumb as a post... but he could run fast.

I think it was Winstrol. 

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Kyle978 wrote:

You may be the most intelligent guy on Vital, but you certainly don’t come off that way. 

Should have stopped after, “you may be the most intelligent guy on vital”. 

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BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

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8/4/2025 7:11pm Edited Date/Time 8/4/2025 7:15pm
BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

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BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

Tyler D wrote:
(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give...

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

Nah man, it’s ok when Deegs cheats 5%, you’re just lucky he let you watch him race

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Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

Keefer is losing his marbles

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

Yeah he’s lost a little integrity this week. Hiding the triumph issue and covering for the cheaters. Surprising take since the Rays have been guest on the show before…

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BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

What's so hard to believe about a 4% increase in size producing a 5% increase in power? Seems pretty reasonable especially when you consider that the increased size surely wasn't the only improvement made. 

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aeffertz wrote:
Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more...

Listening to the Pulp review show, shame on Keefer’s take. He goes “Yeah, you shouldn’t cheat but why are you protesting people?” WTF? He seemed more angry that someone protested the cheater than the cheater themselves. (It’s obvious why)

yak651 wrote:
Yeah he’s lost a little integrity this week. Hiding the triumph issue and covering for the cheaters. Surprising take since the Rays have been guest on...

Yeah he’s lost a little integrity this week. Hiding the triumph issue and covering for the cheaters. Surprising take since the Rays have been guest on the show before…

This one is interesting to me. Claimed his bike was pre production and production bikes come with a certain different part that fixes the problem. Made reference to false neutral several times. Reports of triumphs having transmission issues on the production bike..... just makes you wonder how long this transmission thing has been a known issue that they still haven't figured out if they already changed something on the production bike and still having transmission issues. Keefer definitely seemed to be trying not to say the wrong thing all week and matthes even tried to get it out of him and didn't get much info.

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BMc914 wrote:
You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold...

You call it "cheating." Brian knows he needed faster bike to keep up with Haidens incredible Skill on a dirt bike. He didn't want to hold the kid back. Haiden needs more power for his skill and abilities. 

I did forget all about this cause Deegan is SMAKING THE SHIT OUT OF THE 250 CLASS. 

971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

Tyler D wrote:
(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give...

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

What are you talking about fuly modded?  It was 2cc's. 

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971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

Tyler D wrote:
(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give...

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

971_Fan wrote:

What are you talking about fuly modded?  It was 2cc's. 

Is 2cc's over the limit?

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971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

Tyler D wrote:
(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give...

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

971_Fan wrote:

What are you talking about fuly modded?  It was 2cc's. 

Would you like me to find you another shovel?  You’ve worn yours out digging that hole you’re in.

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971_Fan wrote:

It was 2cc’s. Someone said that was a 5% increase in power, which is clearly ridiculous when you do the math, but people believed it. 

Tyler D wrote:
(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give...

(pw50) 2.7hp * 1.05 = 2.835hp. 

0.135hp increase is ridiculous? that's 100 watts. there are 140 pound pro cyclists (90lb pw + 5yo kid) that would give everything they have for 100 watts.  

 

stock = 2.7

fully modded = 5.74 whp

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvikVdJsD9R/

971_Fan wrote:

What are you talking about fuly modded?  It was 2cc's. 

Rule book said max it could be was 61cc, it was measured at 63.963cc.  So, 3cc's comes out to 5 percent increase.   No one ever said a 5 percent increase in power, you're misinformed.

Deegans kid DQ'd at Oakhill? - The Dumbgeon - Motocross Forums / Message Boards - Vital MX

 

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jaun wrote:

The limited class at Loretta's should be all bikes supplied by the manufacturer and all you can do is bring your own suspension, leaver and bars.

Craig125 wrote:
Come on! Obviously you have not worked in the industry or sponsored events in the past. Do you realize how expensive that would be for Yamaha...

Come on! Obviously you have not worked in the industry or sponsored events in the past. Do you realize how expensive that would be for Yamaha or any OEM for that matter? And what's in it for them? They "donate" 50 bikes and then sell them for a loss after the event? Bikes will be damaged, used, scratched and maybe broken. OEM's don't make money off of sponsorships or giving bikes away... They make money off of people buying bikes, riding/ racing them and then buy parts for the bikes. Yamaha would only lose money in this situation... How about people just dont cheat.. that seems a lot more simple. 

Feel like I’m today’s day and age there would be a lot of liability in it say one to be put together wrong etc. 

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Sully wrote:

Is 2cc's over the limit?

Yes. But why did Tyler gave whp for a fully modded pw50. Not one 2cc's past the allowed cc's. 

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Sully wrote:

Is 2cc's over the limit?

971_Fan wrote:

Yes. But why did Tyler gave whp for a fully modded pw50. Not one 2cc's past the allowed cc's. 

I think the point was that you can more than double the power with full mods so adding 5% with smaller mods is entirely plausible. 

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Sully wrote:

Is 2cc's over the limit?

971_Fan wrote:

Yes. But why did Tyler gave whp for a fully modded pw50. Not one 2cc's past the allowed cc's. 

Wasn't my main point. Was giving a range. I should have left it out. 

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dkurtd wrote:
Rule book said max it could be was 61cc, it was measured at 63.963cc.  So, 3cc's comes out to 5 percent increase.   No one ever...

Rule book said max it could be was 61cc, it was measured at 63.963cc.  So, 3cc's comes out to 5 percent increase.   No one ever said a 5 percent increase in power, you're misinformed.

Deegans kid DQ'd at Oakhill? - The Dumbgeon - Motocross Forums / Message Boards - Vital MX

 

4.8 to be exact, not 5. But figures the usual losers would try to deflect and make this about Deegan. 

Holier-than-thou crowd. 

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dkurtd wrote:
Rule book said max it could be was 61cc, it was measured at 63.963cc.  So, 3cc's comes out to 5 percent increase.   No one ever...

Rule book said max it could be was 61cc, it was measured at 63.963cc.  So, 3cc's comes out to 5 percent increase.   No one ever said a 5 percent increase in power, you're misinformed.

Deegans kid DQ'd at Oakhill? - The Dumbgeon - Motocross Forums / Message Boards - Vital MX

 

971_Fan wrote:

4.8 to be exact, not 5. But figures the usual losers would try to deflect and make this about Deegan. 

Holier-than-thou crowd. 

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Try 4.8573771, if you're into splitting hairs.

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