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3/16/2014 6:43pm
3/16/2014 6:43pm
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12/21/2017 10:44pm
Wonder what happened.
http://oakhill14.escoremx.com/racer.asp?n=12918
Event Finish Summary
38th FMF GNC International MX Final - 3/13/2014 - Alvord, Texas
HAIDEN DEEGAN - KTM
TEMECULA, CA
Class Number Brand Moto 1 Moto 2 Class Finish
50 4-9 open #238 KTM DQ DQ DQ
50 7-8 mod #238 KTM DQ DQ DQ
http://oakhill14.escoremx.com/racer.asp?n=12918
Event Finish Summary
38th FMF GNC International MX Final - 3/13/2014 - Alvord, Texas
HAIDEN DEEGAN - KTM
TEMECULA, CA
Class Number Brand Moto 1 Moto 2 Class Finish
50 4-9 open #238 KTM DQ DQ DQ
50 7-8 mod #238 KTM DQ DQ DQ
DNS #38 BRIAN DEEGAN - KTM TEMECALA, CA DNS DNS
http://oakhill14.escoremx.com/class.asp?s=&c=1381&e=245
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It's like what Kinison said: "'If you're going to miss Heaven, why miss it by two inches?"
I know it is the USA, but does the kid get fined and banned or does the Daddums. If indeed this is actually called Cheating over there.
Like I know most people think more is better especially cc's etc 2 stroke 500 v/s 450 F, 250F v/s 250 2 smoke etc, but 90% is the Rider and Track conditions at the minimum. I could imagine he will wear the DQ like a badass badge, how clever are we.
This would have to be one of Dads dumbest ideas. My penalty would be 3 months loss of license for kid, Dad 12 months out of any AMA race meet and indefinitely DQ until 2 K fine paid.
There is no license, and are you kidding me, 2k?
Happens every time.
I can hear it now.
If i had to win by a 2cc protest ,well, I'd never protest in the 1st place,never.
Quote from CT -THIS IS NOT ME-
"Here are the facts......
We did the protest. After seeing the bike pull down the straights and off the gate, I had my an idea that the motor was not legal. We followed the protest rules by the book.
I had the paperwork filled out in advance and presented it to the AMA official prior to the start of the race. When the bike crossed the finish line, it was met by AMA and impounded. The bike remained in AMA possession until the tear down. Mr Deegan requested the teardown prior to the second round of motos because he decided to withdraw from the rest of the races. I agreed to the early teardown.
Present at the teardown was, 2 AMA tech's, Kip Bigalow, head of AMA motocross, Mr Deegan, his mechanic and me. Mr Deegan's had his mechanic disassemble the bike. The motor was put on a bench. The 2 AMA tech's then measured stroke 3 times which was 40.06mm. We all agreed that was correct. I am not a KTM mechanic but I am pretty sure that is a stock stroke on a 14 KTM50.
Then the head was pulled and the measured bore. It was measured 3 times and we all agreed it measured 45.10mm.
The AMA then pulled the Displacement formula out of the AMA rule book and we all did the math. The displacement measures 63.963cc. The rule book stated that 61cc was the max allowed in the Mod class.
My math says that is 3cc over the allowed limit which equals a 5% increase. I now understand why the bike pulled so good.
The events that transpired after the teardown is simply amazing. After the protest was over, Mr Deegan's mechanic and some of his crew came to our pits and threatened me and my family. I was then personally attacked on social media. This is unfortunate results of a legal process. I have great respect for the sports and 99% of the people in it are here for the right reason. It is unfortunate, a family with this kind of influence in the motocross world handles things in this fashion.
Sorry for the diatribe..... Good luck to all at Freestone."
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Cheating is Cheating whether it be 1cc or whatever, if Tractor is correct Daddy already knew he was cheating. He didn't even let the Kid ride out the day, maybe he is like daddy.
Just a great way for a kid to start his racing career, Daddy would be so so Proud. Mr Brian Deegan Father of the Year Nominee.
I sent the whole motor over to Pro Circuit one year and when I asked for a stock motor bottom end rebuild with their head and carby work + extra Genuine Suzuki Pistons x 4 etc, he stated I was the first Aussie that didn't ask for an oversize cheater motor.
Pit Row
Most of the time it's just the winner that gets his bike protested. When the fact is.....guys 2nd through 40th can have cheater bikes and wouldn't place as well without them.....but nobody hardly protests the 2nd place on down.
Not sure if the "Claiming rules " are still in affect.......but I used to hear some pretty wild stories about those deals.
FWIW....a couple years ago someone claimed RC's RMZ450 at LL's and took it home with them. I think it was like $10,000 or something like that.
Back in 125 supercross days so many racers were running big-bore bikes, probably and maybe even Brian Deegan. Like a poster said, they only tech the top three bikes but the guys trying to get into the night show or a main even would do whatever it took to make the main, and sometimes it was in the form of big bores. And they didn't always tear the bikes down unless there were questions.
It is not right but it has been going on since the dawn of motocross. Deegan shame on you!
I have to admit that I was stoked to see Deegans kid doing so well on the bike. I hope BD thinks things through from here on out. Judging by his crews responce to the person who protested he may just end up as wisky tango with paper.
It sounds like to me that Deegan and the crew had nothing to do with the motor that was built. If that is the case other then Deegan being Deegan sounds like the motor builder is to blame not the Deegans, other then their bullshit actions.
What has anything the Factory teams do have with Master Deegan getting DQ'd for running oversize / Cheating.
If Daddums didn't know he is a bigger tool than I gave him credit for.
Were the Alessi boys ever caught with oversize, I didn't think they were. The problem they had and most riders had re claiming races was that the bikes had so much $$$$ spent that most were getting a bargain with Suspension, motor work etc. They shouldn't have raced Claiming races then.
I realise that a lot of bikes that have won titles are oversize etc, but that has nothing to do with an individual being caught.
One National we went to our last in Juniors they stuck to the rule that all bikes motors must be wired and sealed. The night before we were accused of cheating by our own state team. Next day 28 other parents were going to stand firm and act upon section 2 of said rule which stated the competitor could at anytime have his bike measured in a timely manner.
I was the only one and when they checked both bikes were ok and rewired. I was pissed off that a brand new RM 125 had to have 2 holes drilled so they could wire bikes.
This is the biggest problem with the sport that not Only ripoff Promoters, Gutless Officials, we have gutless contestants that are too afraid to stand up for there rights. But behind people's backs they make all these wild accusations. Don't rock the boat. By the way I have never ever protested on behalf of my sons, but I have been kicked out of National Titles before the event even started, for challenging rulings of God the Steward, in each case I was correct and apologised to.
I also know the Placebo effect works in Moto X, tell someone he is on a cheater bike and he thinks the bike is great.
Know someone who races a 125 championship here in the uk and went to put a new piston in only to find it was a 136cc. He said well everyone else is doing it.
Then to top it off Deegan sends people over to threaten the guy that protested but didn't have the balls to confront him himself.
People think that 5% is not a big deal but if you were at a race and someone said that you could go 5% faster for cheap money,you would do it.Or, If that little bike makes 20HP at 60CC that means it would pickup around 1.3HP from the extra CCs. Thats allot of power at that HP/weight ratio.
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