Prado panic button?

6/11/2025 3:12pm

I don't really get it, the guy can beat the best as it shows in the MXdN at Ernee but at Red Bud 2023 he's 1. 09 and 1.29 off 1st place, I'm sure he'd have done better if he'd stayed on KTM though 1000086795.jpg?VersionId=13g8WuX1puVtFYylTkziPOw

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FerCzD wrote:

Reminiscent of Thomas Covington. SX killed his confidence, never was able to get it back, including outdoors.

I didn't make a connection with Big Air Tom, because Tom went from battling for wins in MX2 to struggling to qualify for an outdoor national...  At least Prado is running top 10's "most" of the time.  Thunder Valley looked worse than Pala and Hangtown though, even with the P8 in moto 1.  

 

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 In Race 2:

 

In Race 2:

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USA looked pretty darned good on Saturday and then we fell to pieces on Sunday that weekend. Thank god we got a mulligan and got it...

USA looked pretty darned good on Saturday and then we fell to pieces on Sunday that weekend. Thank god we got a mulligan and got it right the second time around! 

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Saturday was arguably worse than Sunday. Tomac was 10th fastest in practice and then DNF’d the qualifying race and Plessinger was 10th in the MX2 qualifying...

Saturday was arguably worse than Sunday. Tomac was 10th fastest in practice and then DNF’d the qualifying race and Plessinger was 10th in the MX2 qualifying race. Just a terrible weekend all around 

Agreed, AP was running P2 in the MX2 qualy race when he cross rutted on what they call the Hammer now, and had a big one.  It was on the other side of the track, we were in the THOR grandstands... but when it happened, my wife and I both thought his weekend might be over.  He toughed it out, but was only about 70% for Sunday...

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Jett did literally did not win last race because he was a bit off, and you think putting him on a different bike that isn't dialed...

Jett did literally did not win last race because he was a bit off, and you think putting him on a different bike that isn't dialed in would make him win? 😄

No champion so far, has been able to win on anything. Sorry, but none. They have all struggled from time to time. McGrath rode previous generation frame for gods sake 😄

Dungey had bike issues as soon as he couldn't win.

Jett lost SMX races because bike was off. A brand they had been on for a season already. Eli can't win if the bike is to low in rear, took him half a season to figure that out on kawi and a few races on Yamaha.

Hunter chased the bike almost all outdoor last season. When fixed, he could hang with Chase. Without it, not so much.

So you are just factually wrong. 

No one can ride around the bike if it isnt within the small narrow window they have to hit today. Just keyboard warriors getting lapped after 3 laps on those tracks that think they should be able to 😂

And Prado isnt 90sec off bad right now, he just don't try because it takes him nowhere and risk crashing if the bike is that off for him. Its competing for win or maybe podium, or nothing, everything else is more or less a loss for him.

You can feel after a lap if the bike is better or not, if not he just mails it in. Maybe he knows it already before weekend. Just as Tomac on both Kawi and Yamaha, just as Jett took a third last race because shock setting was off. Just as AP went from almost winning to a fifth place guy because he went wrong direction on setup for moto 2. Tomac changes his setting for moto 2 because she couldn't turn the bike in moto 1.

Literally everyone is exactly the same. 2-3 clicks and a millimeter of sag and they are going from first to top 5. These are riders that's been years on the same chassis and ridden the tracks 10 times.

There is zero chance with how picky Jett has been on bike setup, he just hopes on the Kawi or Yami and wins in this field, zero.

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I don’t remember Hunter struggling much of the start of the outdoors last year? He was 2nd most rounds and won a moto at thunder valley...

I don’t remember Hunter struggling much of the start of the outdoors last year? He was 2nd most rounds and won a moto at thunder valley (3rd round). 

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He switched bike to the new, midd season. Reason he dropped back according to himself.

Do you mean he did better or worse on the 2025? He switched to the 2025 model from Unadilla on if I remember correctly  

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Here’s a question - if Prado was here on his MXGP GasGas where do you think he would be finishing?

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ando wrote:

Here’s a question - if Prado was here on his MXGP GasGas where do you think he would be finishing?

Instead of being a minute behind the leader he would only be 45 secs

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ando wrote:

Here’s a question - if Prado was here on his MXGP GasGas where do you think he would be finishing?

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85% rider is the formula we were told for my 65 years. And that seems reasonable.
He might be hurt, should be able to deal with bike setup so doubt that’s it. 

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6/13/2025 5:42am
ando wrote:

Here’s a question - if Prado was here on his MXGP GasGas where do you think he would be finishing?

First if you put Jett and Eli on kawis 😂

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ando wrote:

Here’s a question - if Prado was here on his MXGP GasGas where do you think he would be finishing?

Not 1 minute+ behind the winner 😅

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I mean at this point Anderson is far better than Prado, Kawasaki has to be panicking by now? 

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Its not the bike its a factory bike for christ sake. If he is struggling like this another 3-4 rounds panic button is in and SX...

Its not the bike its a factory bike for christ sake. If he is struggling like this another 3-4 rounds panic button is in and SX is going to be even worse. IMO

There been plenty of crappy works bikes.  Anderson and Adam were already complaining. Eli left cause they wouldn't give him what was needed.  Sure Prado might have some issues but you don't win 4 world championships and be holeshot king . He's starting to get it in his head the bike sucks. All those pros are mental.

 

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Its not the bike its a factory bike for christ sake. If he is struggling like this another 3-4 rounds panic button is in and SX...

Its not the bike its a factory bike for christ sake. If he is struggling like this another 3-4 rounds panic button is in and SX is going to be even worse. IMO

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There been plenty of crappy works bikes.  Anderson and Adam were already complaining. Eli left cause they wouldn't give him what was needed.  Sure Prado might...

There been plenty of crappy works bikes.  Anderson and Adam were already complaining. Eli left cause they wouldn't give him what was needed.  Sure Prado might have some issues but you don't win 4 world championships and be holeshot king . He's starting to get it in his head the bike sucks. All those pros are mental.

 

His teammate is far better than him right now. Same bike. 

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Shenzi wrote:

His teammate is far better than him right now. Same bike. 

Tru Tru!  Hopefully Prado can get some confidence and get back to form.  
But is that running 5-7? 
 

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Prado hasn’t got enough motor for the Kawi, not the other way around 

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6/14/2025 5:27pm

Thought that Prado could maybe turn it around n podium southwick. After today that’s hard negative 

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6/14/2025 5:29pm

5-7 in this field is not bad, people that thought he would be a threat for a title were being optimistic. Nothing wrong with that and understandable given his record.

Next year will be the real test. If SX goes well 

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6/14/2025 5:32pm Edited Date/Time 6/14/2025 5:33pm

It’s not the damn bike. That KX450 can win a race TOMORROW. It’s FKing Prado. Quit making excuses for him. He’s riding like shite. Freaking Paturel beat him in Moto 1…

Cooper Webb is on a SX championship hangover and today he crashed in the first corner of moto 2, picked the bike up and finished 11th in the mud. Prado started 15th in that second moto and finished 23rd. 

AGAIN, stop blaming the damn Kawi for Prado riding like crap. JA has limited outdoor time on the bike and he went 7-7 on it today and got decent starts on it. Prado is the damn problem, not the Kawasaki. 

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mxpappy711 wrote:
5-7 in this field is not bad, people that thought he would be a threat for a title were being optimistic. Nothing wrong with that and...

5-7 in this field is not bad, people that thought he would be a threat for a title were being optimistic. Nothing wrong with that and understandable given his record.

Next year will be the real test. If SX goes well 

Correct.  I think the AMA national riders have upped the pace the last couple years again, which includes foreign riders. 
 

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I think everyone wants him to succeed and bring a challenge to the leaders, and obviously this is a big change and an aluminum framed bike, plus a shoulder injury so we can give him somewhat of a break.  

But he has to show some sparks and signs of life!  I was really hoping that 2 second a lap faster qualifying time was legit today but no dice.


I thought at A1 he had good starts and ran up front for awhile before settling mid pack.


Things gotta be tense for Jorge and his team right now, yikes!

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Brent wrote:
I have been lucky enough to be a race mechanic for riders in EMX 250 in Europe, and AMA 250 and 450 class here at home.While...

I have been lucky enough to be a race mechanic for riders in EMX 250 in Europe, and AMA 250 and 450 class here at home.

While the race pace of the AMA series is faster, is it primarily because AMA tracks are smoother and wider than MXGP tracks.

 AMA racers go balls out from the gate drop to the flag, while MXGP guys find a different pace because of how rough the tracks get.

Prado needs a year on the bike and to learn the tracks. the Factory KTM/GG and the Factory Kawi are about as different as two motorcycles can be.  Remember, Prado has only been on a steel frame bike his whole career. 

  No panic button needs to be pushed at this point IMO...

 

…I was wrong. 

his mindset is fucked. Good thing he is going to train @ Club from now on instead of riding by himself at Pala all the time. 

I watched him in person just kill everyone in the sand at Arnhem- if he doesn’t get his shit together in the sand at Southwick, it may be time to…

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pradio has to stop this.....this is not going to work......I don't know exacly what is going on....but if paturel overtakes him something is seriously wrong believe it or not but in mxgp the chance that he would double paturel was greater than that paturel would overtake him......... The only reason for prado to stay in america is the money.....

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When will the Kawi deal implode..? 🙈

If so, will RdC make room for a white Gasgas in the Husky 450 squad? 🤪

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mx691 wrote:

When will the Kawi deal implode..? 🙈

If so, will RdC make room for a white Gasgas in the Husky 450 squad? 🤪

Agree.  Get him on the orange brand.  I bet it would be a mutual departure at this point

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It’s not the damn bike. That KX450 can win a race TOMORROW. It’s FKing Prado. Quit making excuses for him. He’s riding like shite. Freaking Paturel beat...

It’s not the damn bike. That KX450 can win a race TOMORROW. It’s FKing Prado. Quit making excuses for him. He’s riding like shite. Freaking Paturel beat him in Moto 1…

Cooper Webb is on a SX championship hangover and today he crashed in the first corner of moto 2, picked the bike up and finished 11th in the mud. Prado started 15th in that second moto and finished 23rd. 

AGAIN, stop blaming the damn Kawi for Prado riding like crap. JA has limited outdoor time on the bike and he went 7-7 on it today and got decent starts on it. Prado is the damn problem, not the Kawasaki. 

i dont think you can category say its the rider, one bike may suit different riders in different ways and dont forget hes been riding steel frame for ages , although he must of ridden a few brands before he signed, so one would if thought it ticked most of boxers at the time,or maybe was it the best deal for him $$$$

makes me laugh , all these guys on here thinking they are experts on the bike and riders 

none of us really knows why, but i can not really see it getting any better any time soon, but hopefully it does 

 

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6/15/2025 4:51am

Moving series and manufacturers at the same time was a daft decision IMO.

Kid's been racing KTMs since he was on 65s.

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somethig is terribly wrong with the Prado program, we can only guess at what it is.

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6/15/2025 5:13am
twotwosix wrote:
It’s not the damn bike. That KX450 can win a race TOMORROW. It’s FKing Prado. Quit making excuses for him. He’s riding like shite. Freaking Paturel beat...

It’s not the damn bike. That KX450 can win a race TOMORROW. It’s FKing Prado. Quit making excuses for him. He’s riding like shite. Freaking Paturel beat him in Moto 1…

Cooper Webb is on a SX championship hangover and today he crashed in the first corner of moto 2, picked the bike up and finished 11th in the mud. Prado started 15th in that second moto and finished 23rd. 

AGAIN, stop blaming the damn Kawi for Prado riding like crap. JA has limited outdoor time on the bike and he went 7-7 on it today and got decent starts on it. Prado is the damn problem, not the Kawasaki. 

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i dont think you can category say its the rider, one bike may suit different riders in different ways and dont forget hes been riding steel...

i dont think you can category say its the rider, one bike may suit different riders in different ways and dont forget hes been riding steel frame for ages , although he must of ridden a few brands before he signed, so one would if thought it ticked most of boxers at the time,or maybe was it the best deal for him $$$$

makes me laugh , all these guys on here thinking they are experts on the bike and riders 

none of us really knows why, but i can not really see it getting any better any time soon, but hopefully it does 

 

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Do we think we're experts? Or are we just fans who ride, have watched hundreds of hours of racing, some have watched thousands, and we're giving our opinions. I'll actually put a disclaimer on some of my posts that Im just a nobody otherwise some people, i.e. you, will think I'm a know it all expert. We've never seen a World Champ go to being a total non factor on the track. He's completely lost out there. He said he was going to beat Jett. Just recently we saw a rider, Sexton, ride his whole career on aluminum frames go to a steel frame and win immediately. Is his situation the same as Prado's? Definitely not but there are similarities. Its not crazy to think its more than the bike. 

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