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Because it's a fun little thought experiment. If you think it's weird, don't create a data base of your own. OP obviously likes this kind of stuff, so he made one, and it seems far more people appreciate his work than don't.
Other riders may have been motivated to push a little harder, if RC wasn’t there. The number 2 rider would not have been nearly as dominant.
Reedy said out loud that RC’s beat downs made him hate outdoors, hence why he didn’t come back to MX for a couple of years after Ricky’s retirement. But looking at the stats, it’s a wonder Kdub didn’t feel the same way. It had to be frustrating as hell lining up against the GOAT.
RJ was 25! Let that sink in. In his PRIME. I have a feeling if the he never got hurt Jeff Stanton wouldnt be called 6-time. He would be, hey that's Stanton, he finished 2nd a lot to 13x champion Rick Johnson.
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You seem like a fun guy
When Swap was editor of Transworld Motocross magazine, he did an in depth interview with KDub at his place in Mississippi in those years. Had a picture of his plane and one of him piloting it in the air over Mississippi. Kevin stated that flying gave him perspective and peace when away from the races. I'll bet he had to log a lot of hours on that plane in those years to keep his sanity 🤣
This was meant to quote KDubs losses to RC, not Reeds, but you get the gist!!
This was a cool idea. Since our sport seems to get dominated by one rider all the time, it would be neat to go back through the records, and remove the champion (mc,Rc,rv,rd) to determine the greatest 2nd place rider of all time
This is neat.
Now do the King and super cross.
That would be amazing.
Great idea, I'll start another thread for that soon.
This is from We Went Fast FB page...
I made a similar post about how if Ricky didn't exist Chad Reed would be very close to McGrath's SX win record. I think it's interesting and cool to talk about this type of stuff. My post was not well received though.
It's crazy how many times Chad was runner up to either Ricky or James. Not that he didn't win a lot himself, but man, he got so many 2nd place finishes!
https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/Moto-Related,20/IFs-BUTs-Could-somebody-…
Cool to think about. What happens to the SX records if McGrath doesn't race?!
Jett at 18 Entries, RV at 26... So by the end of this year's, if Jett makes all the rounds, he'll have raced as many 450 Nationals as RV? That's crazy to think of, it feels like he's just starting his 450 career.
This is fun to you? Blimey…
At what point does this hypothetical nonsense become ‘not fun’?
What is the point of calculating alternative scenarios or outcomes that never happened?
nothing can change it, nothing is ever going to be different to what it already is.
Fuck man, I don’t get it. 🤯
Next up:
We want to know how the record books change if Mike Larocco had never scored a 4th place.
Yeah…. Interesting… I can barely contain myself with excitement on this one!🤣
100 percent, the Stanton, JMB, Bradshaw era started when RJ was landed on at Gainesville 89.
When you think about it all RV raced was 2 full seasons, '11 and '13. He won GH in '09 and apparently went 16-38 at Hangtown when he got hurt? My memory is failing me because I remember him being hurt and not even starting Hangtown
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I always appreciate your input and knowledge on motocross. You seem like a guy like me who bleeds mx. As far as sx goes, I'm more a casual fan
On that count would McGrath be the King if RJ was not hurt. RJ would only been 28/29 for 93 SX. Does McGrath get the factory Honda ride? Would Bayle be the 91 SX champ? The way RJ was riding when he got hurt, I do not believe so. I feel RJ would be the King of SX.
Yeah, bench racing…what a lame thing to do…moto guys never do that. It’s stupid and a waste of time…
I did one for supercross during covid when I was bored at home, without Ricky, Chad and James both had more wins than Jeremy, I’d love to see this list without MC, that would be fun
Jeffrey Herlings has 100% win percentage
It becomes not fun when one person like you enters the chat. Not sure why this bothers you so much, but I think its hilarious that it does.
Hey stats guys, after today I was wondering how many guys have passed Jett since he's been on a 450 ? Just passed him period, doesn't matter if it stuck or not, who's passed him and came out clearly ahead, even if it was only for a short time ? AP today, and ? Eli, Chase ? I don't remember him getting passed very often was just curious
Add in Roczen.
I remember Chase passing him at Southwick last year, Aaron yersteday, Tim at MXON 2024 and also Kenny in 2023 at High Point but not sure that counts as Jett went down.
I hear you. That’s fair.
I bet you were one of the guys who wanted to send the ‘doping’ thread to the Dumbgeon though.,
Wow finally a really cool forum post.
Thanks, this was cool
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