Update from Wasserman - Lucas Mirtl Case

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FreshTopEnd addressed this in another thread - I don’t recall the details but the gist of it was that jurisdiction can be tricky but there’s reasons...

FreshTopEnd addressed this in another thread - I don’t recall the details but the gist of it was that jurisdiction can be tricky but there’s reasons to want to be in federal court. I’m guessing they may have known it might have to be refiled but it was worth a shot. In any event, this isn’t a reason to believe the action is not in good faith, as far as I can tell. I have a background in jurisprudence but I’m not a practicing lawyer so I’m sure others could address your question much more competently than I. If you’re referring to Mirtl as the party tight on money, that’s not going to enter into the filing decision at all. They’re not representing Mirtl so him being pissed is irrelevant. 

I'm thinking I've spent enough time on this one, so, yeah that's in the other thread.

Pretty sure this is at the point where the people who care have made up their minds one way or the other, and the people who don't care have moved on.

If Mirtl believes he's been defamed his lawyer can bring a counterclaim/cross-complaint in the action, and if the allegations in federal court are false seek Rule 11 sanctions (below).  Some states have similar rules for state court, and much of the standard also is embedded in the Rules of Professional Conduct that expose lawyers to discipline (suspension/disbarment/etc.).  If Mirtl's correct in his position and facts he loses nothing by pursuing these remedies given he's already embroiled in a lawsuit.  Everything outside of that really is just noise and posturing;  not uncommon, sometimes strategic, often a bad idea once litigation has started.

Rule 11. Signing Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to the Court; Sanctions

(a) Signature. Every pleading, written motion, and other paper must be signed by at least one attorney of record in the attorney's name—or by a party personally if the party is unrepresented. The paper must state the signer's address, e-mail address, and telephone number. Unless a rule or statute specifically states otherwise, a pleading need not be verified or accompanied by an affidavit. The court must strike an unsigned paper unless the omission is promptly corrected after being called to the attorney's or party's attention.

(b) Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:

(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;

(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;

(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and

(4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on belief or a lack of information.

(c) Sanctions.

(1) In General. If, after notice and a reasonable opportunity to respond, the court determines that Rule 11(b) has been violated, the court may impose an appropriate sanction on any attorney, law firm, or party that violated the rule or is responsible for the violation. Absent exceptional circumstances, a law firm must be held jointly responsible for a violation committed by its partner, associate, or employee.

(2) Motion for Sanctions. A motion for sanctions must be made separately from any other motion and must describe the specific conduct that allegedly violates Rule 11(b) . The motion must be served under Rule 5 , but it must not be filed or be presented to the court if the challenged paper, claim, defense, contention, or denial is withdrawn or appropriately corrected within 21 days after service or within another time the court sets. If warranted, the court may award to the prevailing party the reasonable expenses, including attorney's fees, incurred for the motion.

(3) On the Court's Initiative. On its own, the court may order an attorney, law firm, or party to show cause why conduct specifically described in the order has not violated Rule 11(b) .

(4) Nature of a Sanction. A sanction imposed under this rule must be limited to what suffices to deter repetition of the conduct or comparable conduct by others similarly situated. The sanction may include nonmonetary directives; an order to pay a penalty into court; or, if imposed on motion and warranted for effective deterrence, an order directing payment to the movant of part or all of the reasonable attorney's fees and other expenses directly resulting from the violation.

(5) Limitations on Monetary Sanctions. The court must not impose a monetary sanction:

(A) against a represented party for violating Rule 11(b)(2) ; or

(Cool on its own, unless it issued the show-cause order under Rule 11(c)(3) before voluntary dismissal or settlement of the claims made by or against the party that is, or whose attorneys are, to be sanctioned.

(6) Requirements for an Order. An order imposing a sanction must describe the sanctioned conduct and explain the basis for the sanction.

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3/25/2025 7:54am

I haven’t followed every dig and zag of this. Has Mirtl articulated his side of the story anywhere yet? The allegations seemed pretty specific, but haven’t seen anyone go as far as to refute any of them. 

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3/25/2025 8:10am

Wasserman is in cahoots w given new dumb 

That says everything 

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3/25/2025 8:12am
I haven’t followed every dig and zag of this. Has Mirtl articulated his side of the story anywhere yet? The allegations seemed pretty specific, but haven’t...

I haven’t followed every dig and zag of this. Has Mirtl articulated his side of the story anywhere yet? The allegations seemed pretty specific, but haven’t seen anyone go as far as to refute any of them. 

If by articulated you mean: an alcohol (and possibly drug) driven, word vomit of misspelled nothing soup, with zero punctuation... yeah, yeah he did. LOL

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"If this could happen to me it could happen to anyone"Uhh... No. I'm not taking money out of people's accounts without asking so I don't see...
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"If this could happen to me it could happen to anyone"

Uhh... No. I'm not taking money out of people's accounts without asking so I don't see how this could ever happen to me.

I want to know how much he's paying profeshenal125 to write his press releases

That's a good one.

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3/25/2025 11:09am
I'm thinking I've spent enough time on this one, so, yeah that's in the other thread.Pretty sure this is at the point where the people who...

I'm thinking I've spent enough time on this one, so, yeah that's in the other thread.

Pretty sure this is at the point where the people who care have made up their minds one way or the other, and the people who don't care have moved on.

If Mirtl believes he's been defamed his lawyer can bring a counterclaim/cross-complaint in the action, and if the allegations in federal court are false seek Rule 11 sanctions (below).  Some states have similar rules for state court, and much of the standard also is embedded in the Rules of Professional Conduct that expose lawyers to discipline (suspension/disbarment/etc.).  If Mirtl's correct in his position and facts he loses nothing by pursuing these remedies given he's already embroiled in a lawsuit.  Everything outside of that really is just noise and posturing;  not uncommon, sometimes strategic, often a bad idea once litigation has started.

Rule 11. Signing Pleadings, Motions, and Other Papers; Representations to the Court; Sanctions

(a) Signature. Every pleading, written motion, and other paper must be signed by at least one attorney of record in the attorney's name—or by a party personally if the party is unrepresented. The paper must state the signer's address, e-mail address, and telephone number. Unless a rule or statute specifically states otherwise, a pleading need not be verified or accompanied by an affidavit. The court must strike an unsigned paper unless the omission is promptly corrected after being called to the attorney's or party's attention.

(b) Representations to the Court. By presenting to the court a pleading, written motion, or other paper—whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating it—an attorney or unrepresented party certifies that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances:

(1) it is not being presented for any improper purpose, such as to harass, cause unnecessary delay, or needlessly increase the cost of litigation;

(2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for extending, modifying, or reversing existing law or for establishing new law;

(3) the factual contentions have evidentiary support or, if specifically so identified, will likely have evidentiary support after a reasonable opportunity for further investigation or discovery; and

(4) the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence or, if specifically so identified, are reasonably based on belief or a lack of information.

(c) Sanctions.

(1) In General. If, after notice and a reasonable opportunity to respond, the court determines that Rule 11(b) has been violated, the court may impose an appropriate sanction on any attorney, law firm, or party that violated the rule or is responsible for the violation. Absent exceptional circumstances, a law firm must be held jointly responsible for a violation committed by its partner, associate, or employee.

(2) Motion for Sanctions. A motion for sanctions must be made separately from any other motion and must describe the specific conduct that allegedly violates Rule 11(b) . The motion must be served under Rule 5 , but it must not be filed or be presented to the court if the challenged paper, claim, defense, contention, or denial is withdrawn or appropriately corrected within 21 days after service or within another time the court sets. If warranted, the court may award to the prevailing party the reasonable expenses, including attorney's fees, incurred for the motion.

(3) On the Court's Initiative. On its own, the court may order an attorney, law firm, or party to show cause why conduct specifically described in the order has not violated Rule 11(b) .

(4) Nature of a Sanction. A sanction imposed under this rule must be limited to what suffices to deter repetition of the conduct or comparable conduct by others similarly situated. The sanction may include nonmonetary directives; an order to pay a penalty into court; or, if imposed on motion and warranted for effective deterrence, an order directing payment to the movant of part or all of the reasonable attorney's fees and other expenses directly resulting from the violation.

(5) Limitations on Monetary Sanctions. The court must not impose a monetary sanction:

(A) against a represented party for violating Rule 11(b)(2) ; or

(Cool on its own, unless it issued the show-cause order under Rule 11(c)(3) before voluntary dismissal or settlement of the claims made by or against the party that is, or whose attorneys are, to be sanctioned.

(6) Requirements for an Order. An order imposing a sanction must describe the sanctioned conduct and explain the basis for the sanction.

Good information, but I believe Mirtl's complaint is that he has been deformed.

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3/25/2025 11:22am

Good information, but I believe Mirtl's complaint is that he has been deformed.

That'll happen when your jeans are way too tight....

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3/25/2025 11:32am Edited Date/Time 3/25/2025 11:33am

All the talk about Mirtl's pants reminds me of Randy from TPB. "Because they're a little tight Rick, and I wanna kick your ASS."

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All the talk about Mirtl's pants reminds me of Randy from TPB. "Because they're a little tight Rick, and I wanna kick your ASS."

Man's gotta eat.

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Big update from Mirtl!

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aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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If there were 2 boys they would eat the wolf?  Obviously a nod to his brother the lawyer.  2 wolves 1 phone type of scenario.

 

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4/4/2025 11:35am
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Flying economy class will do that to you

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4/4/2025 1:29pm Edited Date/Time 4/4/2025 1:30pm

is Mirtl the wolf in this allegory? he's going to eat all the lawrences and his former protege? I'd get a Protective Order on this guy if i were them. he's mentally gone and probably has very little to lose. will be the biggest downfall in the history of the sport before its over. he's too delusional to take his lumps and let this go. 

Remember what happened to Mickey Thomson. 

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4/4/2025 1:56pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Rickyisms wrote:

Flying economy class will do that to you

Window seat on the commercial flight, posting story with stupid text and 2Pac for the music choice....talk about gangsta 😆

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4/4/2025 2:01pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Rickyisms wrote:

Flying economy class will do that to you

seth505 wrote:

Window seat on the commercial flight, posting story with stupid text and 2Pac for the music choice....talk about gangsta 😆

Don't forget the mismatched shoelaces. 

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4/4/2025 2:06pm
Rickyisms wrote:

Flying economy class will do that to you

seth505 wrote:

Window seat on the commercial flight, posting story with stupid text and 2Pac for the music choice....talk about gangsta 😆

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Don't forget the mismatched shoelaces. 

His backyard night golf game is strong through!

4/4/2025 2:14pm
-MAVERICK- wrote:

Don't forget the mismatched shoelaces. 

I think that’s just the gradient fade filter that’s applied to it.

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4/4/2025 2:36pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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3strokemx wrote:

If there were 2 boys they would eat the wolf?  Obviously a nod to his brother the lawyer.  2 wolves 1 phone type of scenario.

 

no you're thinking 2 girls 1 cup.

is Myrtle the girl or the cup?

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All they need is James Stewart’s team of accountants and lawyers in Lakeland Fl.

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4/4/2025 3:34pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Look at the pea brain trying to put a sentence together. Did he get RC's help on this? FFS. 

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aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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3strokemx wrote:

If there were 2 boys they would eat the wolf?  Obviously a nod to his brother the lawyer.  2 wolves 1 phone type of scenario.

 

peelout wrote:

no you're thinking 2 girls 1 cup.

is Myrtle the girl or the cup?

Neither, he is the turd. 

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4/4/2025 4:25pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Is English his first language, I'm Aussie, but wtf is he crapping on about?

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4/4/2025 6:22pm
aeffertz wrote:
Big update from Mirtl!

Big update from Mirtl!

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Is English his first language, I'm Aussie, but wtf is he crapping on about?

Is he implying it wasn't just him fleecing the Lawrence's ? 

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In a nutshell the lawsuit in Federal court was withdrawn but can be refiled since it was without prejudice. The TRO from wasserman means Mirtl has...

In a nutshell the lawsuit in Federal court was withdrawn but can be refiled since it was without prejudice. The TRO from wasserman means Mirtl has a stay away order from employees of the firm etc and the identical filing in state court means Mirtl is going to be Held financially accountable , then comes the federal charges soon for wire fraud etc. Wasserman and the Lawrence’s are going all in on accountability financially and criminally. 

Herr Lich wrote:
Mirtl was served with the temporary restraining order by Wasserman because he's been sleeping on a cardboard box outside its headquarters, using his rolled up skinny...

Mirtl was served with the temporary restraining order by Wasserman because he's been sleeping on a cardboard box outside its headquarters, using his rolled up skinny jeans for a pillow while accosting its employees with grammatically incorrect English and threats to cut them with his crack pipe. 

People are pussies. How is this not funny? 

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