LL C class is a joke

cwel11 wrote:

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly...

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly in the camp it’s an overhyped money grab by mx sports. This year however I do think he has a shot and he’s putting in the effort off the bike so here we are. He’s got a dream of making it so what’s a father to do?  I have not changed my stance on the overhyped money grab however. My biggest problem is what Loretta’s does to class structure in local racing. You have kids that truly are in their first or second year of racing lining up against kids that have been racing their entire lives with serious speed. This breeds more chaos in a class that’s already chaotic and imo isn’t healthy for local grassroots racing. For instance I wanted him to move to B this season. I literally told him we’re not doing Loretta’s and you’ll latch on to their speed locally and be fine. He was finally starting to accept that plan until he decided he’d stay C and give Loretta’s a shot for one season. So in essence he’s now potentially a local C sandbagger because he’s got zero prayers in qualifying in Loretta’s B. I don’t have the answers on how to fix it but it needs fixed imo.  

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

profeshenal125 wrote:

See the 4 tracks there all awesome. Full gates fun local  q,s r cheaper . Millville practice fri race sat,sun memorial weekend & get it dialed...

See the 4 tracks there all awesome. Full gates fun local  q,s r cheaper . Millville practice fri race sat,sun memorial weekend & get it dialed.  If I don’t get sponsors to pay for LL.  I don’t go simply as that.  I need a few neck, back, hip, rear of shoulder injections . Then I,m good . Remember in 83 I had numerous D1 bball offers & football 4 the Badgers even tho I did not play ft.  68+ vertical, flat 10 100, tap a quarter off the top of a backboard.   I had to pay rent in 10th grade during the season . Mom wouldn’t let me access my savings of ovr 3k money saved working 4 farmers.  Forced me to get a job .   Not a phenom teen anymore but physically still wayy more than anyone on the gate.  And I Love extreme heat & humidity.   Total waste of time trucking out here.  I,m sure Mav will post my pic when I was off injured for 9 + weeks doing nothing. Any 1 with 1/2 a brain could see that persons body has it. If I exercise a couple times it’s a Olympic level bod. 

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

cwel11 wrote:

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly...

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly in the camp it’s an overhyped money grab by mx sports. This year however I do think he has a shot and he’s putting in the effort off the bike so here we are. He’s got a dream of making it so what’s a father to do?  I have not changed my stance on the overhyped money grab however. My biggest problem is what Loretta’s does to class structure in local racing. You have kids that truly are in their first or second year of racing lining up against kids that have been racing their entire lives with serious speed. This breeds more chaos in a class that’s already chaotic and imo isn’t healthy for local grassroots racing. For instance I wanted him to move to B this season. I literally told him we’re not doing Loretta’s and you’ll latch on to their speed locally and be fine. He was finally starting to accept that plan until he decided he’d stay C and give Loretta’s a shot for one season. So in essence he’s now potentially a local C sandbagger because he’s got zero prayers in qualifying in Loretta’s B. I don’t have the answers on how to fix it but it needs fixed imo.  

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

Lowbidder wrote:

Jeff Alessi and Mike LaPaglia both raced C class at Ponca City the first year they were on big bikes, I was there, even after racing...

Jeff Alessi and Mike LaPaglia both raced C class at Ponca City the first year they were on big bikes, I was there, even after racing LL’s on mini’s several years. For some reason Ron Henrickson (NMA) allowed it. They did not race C class the following week at LL.

cwel11 wrote:

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly...

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly in the camp it’s an overhyped money grab by mx sports. This year however I do think he has a shot and he’s putting in the effort off the bike so here we are. He’s got a dream of making it so what’s a father to do?  I have not changed my stance on the overhyped money grab however. My biggest problem is what Loretta’s does to class structure in local racing. You have kids that truly are in their first or second year of racing lining up against kids that have been racing their entire lives with serious speed. This breeds more chaos in a class that’s already chaotic and imo isn’t healthy for local grassroots racing. For instance I wanted him to move to B this season. I literally told him we’re not doing Loretta’s and you’ll latch on to their speed locally and be fine. He was finally starting to accept that plan until he decided he’d stay C and give Loretta’s a shot for one season. So in essence he’s now potentially a local C sandbagger because he’s got zero prayers in qualifying in Loretta’s B. I don’t have the answers on how to fix it but it needs fixed imo.  

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

cwel11 wrote:

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly...

I’ve been avoiding the Loretta’s thing with my son over the years mostly because he had zero chance of making out of regionals and I’m firmly in the camp it’s an overhyped money grab by mx sports. This year however I do think he has a shot and he’s putting in the effort off the bike so here we are. He’s got a dream of making it so what’s a father to do?  I have not changed my stance on the overhyped money grab however. My biggest problem is what Loretta’s does to class structure in local racing. You have kids that truly are in their first or second year of racing lining up against kids that have been racing their entire lives with serious speed. This breeds more chaos in a class that’s already chaotic and imo isn’t healthy for local grassroots racing. For instance I wanted him to move to B this season. I literally told him we’re not doing Loretta’s and you’ll latch on to their speed locally and be fine. He was finally starting to accept that plan until he decided he’d stay C and give Loretta’s a shot for one season. So in essence he’s now potentially a local C sandbagger because he’s got zero prayers in qualifying in Loretta’s B. I don’t have the answers on how to fix it but it needs fixed imo.  

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

Lowbidder wrote:

Jeff Alessi and Mike LaPaglia both raced C class at Ponca City the first year they were on big bikes, I was there, even after racing...

Jeff Alessi and Mike LaPaglia both raced C class at Ponca City the first year they were on big bikes, I was there, even after racing LL’s on mini’s several years. For some reason Ron Henrickson (NMA) allowed it. They did not race C class the following week at LL.

Mossy940 wrote:

I mentioned that above - They tried to race Lorettas and got shot down quickly from what I recall. I dont know if its reality or just...

I mentioned that above - They tried to race Lorettas and got shot down quickly from what I recall.

 

I dont know if its reality or just my memory, but from what I can recall the fenceline was just as packed for the C class that year as it was for the pros....there was some fantastic racing (and sandbagging) in the C class all weekend.

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

dang472 wrote:

That’s complete bullshit. I for one will contribute sponsorship money for the mythical DBP/Super Trucker road to Loretta’s 2025 campaign. 

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

Hammer 663s wrote:

Hope we both make it - sounds like we and our kids have a lot in common. I grew up in PA so there's that too...

Hope we both make it - sounds like we and our kids have a lot in common. I grew up in PA so there's that too. Family is from Watsontown area, parents went to Bloomsburg, I used to fly fish Fishing Creek on the regular. We'll have a beer or 3.

JustMX wrote:

been awhile since I promoted or worked any area or regional qualfiers.have the areas changed?at one time if you went to an area and got top...

been awhile since I promoted or worked any area or regional qualfiers.

have the areas changed?

at one time if you went to an area and got top 15 or so you could send in to go to regional.

they would run qualifiers at the regional to get it down to a full gate, split class for first moto, then a LCQ to get it down to a full gate for the second and third motos.

70 or more C riders at a regional....... Ka Ching.....

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

dang472 wrote:

That’s complete bullshit. I for one will contribute sponsorship money for the mythical DBP/Super Trucker road to Loretta’s 2025 campaign. 

ge217 wrote:

The story telling in here… Malcom raced Loretta’s 6 times before going to big bikes. He raced B in 2006, not C. Same with Jeff Alessi...

The story telling in here… Malcom raced Loretta’s 6 times before going to big bikes. He raced B in 2006, not C. Same with Jeff Alessi, had been 5 times already and raced 85s at LL in 02 and 03, not C. He went B class in 2004. Neither one of those riders were eligible to race in C ever. 

ge217 wrote:

The story telling in here… Malcom raced Loretta’s 6 times before going to big bikes. He raced B in 2006, not C. Same with Jeff Alessi...

The story telling in here… Malcom raced Loretta’s 6 times before going to big bikes. He raced B in 2006, not C. Same with Jeff Alessi, had been 5 times already and raced 85s at LL in 02 and 03, not C. He went B class in 2004. Neither one of those riders were eligible to race in C ever. 

Ryan625 wrote:

I know for a fact that Malcom raced some C class races. My timing may be off, but not that. Same year I believe Tevin Tapia...

I know for a fact that Malcom raced some C class races. My timing may be off, but not that. Same year I believe Tevin Tapia won most of the C class races in the Am National circuit. I think that it may have actually been 2005, but one does not forget lining up against that kind of talent, seeing big James on the line talking to Malcom was pretty surreal after talking to him the year ot two prior at Washougal and getting introduced to JS7 by him. Both James' signed my Washougal 04 national mag with JS on the cover.

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

dang472 wrote:

That’s complete bullshit. I for one will contribute sponsorship money for the mythical DBP/Super Trucker road to Loretta’s 2025 campaign. 

yak651 wrote:

I’ll Venmo him $500 if he could qualify in the c class

badbrad108 wrote:

Guys are flying and jumping everything. Lap times as good as some old pro's. Track was dressed but still not a real C class.

liver wrote:

What is your definition of “a real C class”? Are you mad because you’re slow? Or mad because you don’t understand how much the sport has...

What is your definition of “a real C class”? Are you mad because you’re slow? Or mad because you don’t understand how much the sport has been progressing? Pay attention, it’s not 1995, its 2025. 

yak651 wrote:

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class...

Just ask him if he wants to post on social media that he won the local novice class but got 39th in the national novice class because one rider dnf’d and it only cost him $7,500 to do it

cwel11 wrote:

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more...

He’s not that kid. He’s grown up watching moto since he was old enough to hold an iPad. He lived it as much if not more than I do. At 45 years old I think it’s stupid yes. At almost 16 he views it as a one year opportunity to try and do something he’s always dreamed of doing and will likely never do again. He’s a good kid who thanks me every time he gets in the truck or RV after a practice or a weekend of racing, so I’ll do my best to make it happen this year. We’ll make some memories doing it and I consider it money well wasted. Total honesty I’ll be happy if he achieves his goal and equally happy if he doesn’t but stays healthy. 

Hammer 663s wrote:

Hope we both make it - sounds like we and our kids have a lot in common. I grew up in PA so there's that too...

Hope we both make it - sounds like we and our kids have a lot in common. I grew up in PA so there's that too. Family is from Watsontown area, parents went to Bloomsburg, I used to fly fish Fishing Creek on the regular. We'll have a beer or 3.

Meister wrote:

Know of any spare 23+ yz450s out there by washougal for rent? Bucket list to ride there and id love to fly out from ohio for...

Know of any spare 23+ yz450s out there by washougal for rent? Bucket list to ride there and id love to fly out from ohio for a regional once (which also means finding an area to fly to lol).. 

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

dang472 wrote:

That’s complete bullshit. I for one will contribute sponsorship money for the mythical DBP/Super Trucker road to Loretta’s 2025 campaign. 

yak651 wrote:

I’ll Venmo him $500 if he could qualify in the c class

dang472 wrote:

That’s complete bullshit. I for one will contribute sponsorship money for the mythical DBP/Super Trucker road to Loretta’s 2025 campaign. 

yak651 wrote:

I’ll Venmo him $500 if he could qualify in the c class

web mx wrote:

You guy's do know that he lives in lala land and is just punking you, right?

profeshenal125 wrote:

See the 4 tracks there all awesome. Full gates fun local  q,s r cheaper . Millville practice fri race sat,sun memorial weekend & get it dialed...

See the 4 tracks there all awesome. Full gates fun local  q,s r cheaper . Millville practice fri race sat,sun memorial weekend & get it dialed.  If I don’t get sponsors to pay for LL.  I don’t go simply as that.  I need a few neck, back, hip, rear of shoulder injections . Then I,m good . Remember in 83 I had numerous D1 bball offers & football 4 the Badgers even tho I did not play ft.  68+ vertical, flat 10 100, tap a quarter off the top of a backboard.   I had to pay rent in 10th grade during the season . Mom wouldn’t let me access my savings of ovr 3k money saved working 4 farmers.  Forced me to get a job .   Not a phenom teen anymore but physically still wayy more than anyone on the gate.  And I Love extreme heat & humidity.   Total waste of time trucking out here.  I,m sure Mav will post my pic when I was off injured for 9 + weeks doing nothing. Any 1 with 1/2 a brain could see that persons body has it. If I exercise a couple times it’s a Olympic level bod. 

JB 19 wrote:

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for...

I actually like most of the stuff that you post,  but you need to stop it with this crap of you not racing unless it's for money.  Nobody is going to pay the 50+ class.  

I think if you went to a regional qualifier you would run into some bad mf'ers that you didn't know existed. 40 and 50 plus guys that train like pro athletes.   

profeshenal125 wrote:

1k it says 60 bucks per class or classes for locals. Track fees probably higher than 30 , 35 bucks per class , plus gate fees...

1k it says 60 bucks per class or classes for locals. Track fees probably higher than 30 , 35 bucks per class , plus gate fees.  

yak651 wrote:

You pay the regular entry fee and then on top of that you have to pay the LL fee if you are trying to qualify. Remember...

You pay the regular entry fee and then on top of that you have to pay the LL fee if you are trying to qualify. Remember that when you are going for +50 and C class on your 125…plus the promoter knows this is his cash cow race so they jack up the gate fee, add some golf cart/pit bike fees, you need to run the extra 15 minute practice the day before for $50. And then add gas and lodging because it’s not a local race for many…not hard to add up to $1k

Hammer 663s wrote:

Yup, plus food and fuel for 3 days at the track. Gas to get there and back will be $500 since it's 600 miles one way...

Yup, plus food and fuel for 3 days at the track. Gas to get there and back will be $500 since it's 600 miles one way from Portland to Hangtown withy lots of big climbs getting 10 MPG with the trailer. Hotel for 4 nights is $585. Sold the toy hauler so not camping at the track this time. $1000 is low for this weekend - it'll exceed $1500 for sure cause I am gonna DESTROY some sushi at Mikuni's while I am there. It will be $1000 for Washougal Regionals since it's local to me. I bet I've spent $15-20k a year the last 2 years on racing, and we are nobody.

yak651 wrote:

I’ll Venmo him $500 if he could qualify in the c class

web mx wrote:

You guy's do know that he lives in lala land and is just punking you, right?

profeshenal125 wrote:

Oh great you again the PUSSY that posted my name on here. Then calls you saying is this sone stupid name he made up and this...

Oh great you again the PUSSY that posted my name on here. Then calls you saying is this sone stupid name he made up and this is a recorded line. I gave your number to a organized crime a real dirty guy in Chicago. Ha . Just finished driving another storm . And I to deal with this clown. Snow since September, brutal 

web mx wrote:

You guy's do know that he lives in lala land and is just punking you, right?

profeshenal125 wrote:

Oh great you again the PUSSY that posted my name on here. Then calls you saying is this sone stupid name he made up and this...

Oh great you again the PUSSY that posted my name on here. Then calls you saying is this sone stupid name he made up and this is a recorded line. I gave your number to a organized crime a real dirty guy in Chicago. Ha . Just finished driving another storm . And I to deal with this clown. Snow since September, brutal 

web mx wrote:

ADHD  at it's finest.. Sorry anthony but you actually posted a screenshot of your name on here whilst in the middle of another of your rambling...

ADHD  at it's finest.. Sorry anthony but you actually posted a screenshot of your name on here whilst in the middle of another of your rambling dumpster fire rant's that started with how fast you are/were ( you said you would be 5th-10th  125 MX nationals late 90's) to your exploit's with russian/serbian trucking mob's wife to finally the screenshot out of your freightliner windshield of traffic jam/weather  that has your name anthony guyette in said screenshot...

With all your bullshit and many people asking  who you are and you being very coy about it, I remembered YOUR'E screenshot..so you gave yourself away huh..

The only clown anybody is dealing with is us vital member's almost every time you post !!