Kawasaki is bringing the two stroke back!

1/28/2025 11:44am

Per Webb, 80% of yamaha sales are to the offroad market

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We need some good photoshop pics 😎

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burn1986 wrote:

We need some good photoshop pics 😎

If nobody has posted one by tomorrow i’ll mock something up…

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I’m sure some of you probably remember Suzuki saying they are returning to Moto GP. The president stated they needed a full line of new motorcycles that will be “for every diversity of rider” before returning to Moto GP. Essentially saying new Suzuki street bikes are coming soon. If his claim of “every diversity of rider” is true then Suzuki could potentially make two strokes again. Keefer already basically confirmed a new RMZ450 is ready. Not to mention Suzuki had that prototype aluminum frame RM250 around SoCal a few years ago. It may have been the old carbed motor but it was from Suzuki R&D department. 

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GPrider wrote:
I see it being a 300 off road bike. Yamaha is already working with Cody Webb. Yamaha may had been tipped off about Kawasaki building a...

I see it being a 300 off road bike. Yamaha is already working with Cody Webb. Yamaha may had been tipped off about Kawasaki building a new bike and hired Cody to help them develop one. I'm sure they have been working on it for at least a year or two. A moto bike, although cool, is not really the direction to go if you ask me. It would be a novelty bike for weekend racers. The 300 off road group is no joke. Plenty of customers out there. Also, they have moto bikes already, so why develop another one at this point. Off road is the direction to go with a new market to showcase their product. JMO.

300 with e-start, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand. What is an unknown is whether they use steel or aluminum for the frame. They could save costs...

300 with e-start, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand. What is an unknown is whether they use steel or aluminum for the frame. They could save costs reusing the KX-F frame but I think the off road crowd will want a more flexible steel frame.

A steel frame has more parts and takes more labor to manufacture than an aluminum frame, making it more expensive to manufacture in volume.

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GPrider wrote:
I see it being a 300 off road bike. Yamaha is already working with Cody Webb. Yamaha may had been tipped off about Kawasaki building a...

I see it being a 300 off road bike. Yamaha is already working with Cody Webb. Yamaha may had been tipped off about Kawasaki building a new bike and hired Cody to help them develop one. I'm sure they have been working on it for at least a year or two. A moto bike, although cool, is not really the direction to go if you ask me. It would be a novelty bike for weekend racers. The 300 off road group is no joke. Plenty of customers out there. Also, they have moto bikes already, so why develop another one at this point. Off road is the direction to go with a new market to showcase their product. JMO.

300 with e-start, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand. What is an unknown is whether they use steel or aluminum for the frame. They could save costs...

300 with e-start, 18" rear wheel, and kickstand. What is an unknown is whether they use steel or aluminum for the frame. They could save costs reusing the KX-F frame but I think the off road crowd will want a more flexible steel frame.

Everything is an unknown at this point. 

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Mini and Super Mini long overdue for a makeover. More of a chance for that.

AVL28 wrote:

It’s been confirmed it’s a big bike, AC said so on the supercross broadcast this weekend.

indy rider wrote:
Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model...

Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model and not plural, and I believe he also stated it's a woods bike. Someone said woods bike, maybe it was MC

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

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dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

Correct, it was referred to as a race bike as well, this could be interpreted as moto or xc. 

1/28/2025 5:27pm
dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

soggy wrote:

Correct, it was referred to as a race bike as well, this could be interpreted as moto or xc. 

Race bikes...

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All an X model is an MX bike with 18” rear wheel, kickstand, and bigger tank.  Seems like you start with MX platform and work that way🤔

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I had heard the 300 KTM's where in the highest demand for a while now.

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kx300 2Here's what too many beers, an old version of PhotoShop, and not enough time came up with.

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dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

soggy wrote:

Correct, it was referred to as a race bike as well, this could be interpreted as moto or xc. 

Race bikes...

Totally!

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AVL28 wrote:

It’s been confirmed it’s a big bike, AC said so on the supercross broadcast this weekend.

indy rider wrote:
Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model...

Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model and not plural, and I believe he also stated it's a woods bike. Someone said woods bike, maybe it was MC

dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

Didn’t Matthes say the GNCC guys were gonna be happy? 

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1/28/2025 6:42pm Edited Date/Time 1/28/2025 6:57pm
indy rider wrote:
Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model...

Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model and not plural, and I believe he also stated it's a woods bike. Someone said woods bike, maybe it was MC

dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

agn5008 wrote:

Didn’t Matthes say the GNCC guys were gonna be happy? 

Sorry, i don't listen to that fat turd so I don't  know.

 

Edit: I did listen to an interview MXA did with Mitch Payton at A2 and he said he had no idea what it was.   If Mitch has no idea (which I feel probably isn't the whole truth), then I rather doubt Steve has a clue.  I just think the people that do know at this point is a pretty small group and also don't think those same people are going to say anything, especially to someone like Steve.

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BryceO766 wrote:
I’m sure some of you probably remember Suzuki saying they are returning to Moto GP. The president stated they needed a full line of new motorcycles...

I’m sure some of you probably remember Suzuki saying they are returning to Moto GP. The president stated they needed a full line of new motorcycles that will be “for every diversity of rider” before returning to Moto GP. Essentially saying new Suzuki street bikes are coming soon. If his claim of “every diversity of rider” is true then Suzuki could potentially make two strokes again. Keefer already basically confirmed a new RMZ450 is ready. Not to mention Suzuki had that prototype aluminum frame RM250 around SoCal a few years ago. It may have been the old carbed motor but it was from Suzuki R&D department. 

I would be so excited if this information is true. 

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indy rider wrote:
Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model...

Yes, AC definitely said he knew for a fact they have a big 2t bike in development. It sounded like he emphasized implying a single model and not plural, and I believe he also stated it's a woods bike. Someone said woods bike, maybe it was MC

dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

agn5008 wrote:

Didn’t Matthes say the GNCC guys were gonna be happy? 

Keeper said he thought it was a woods bike but he also had no idea. 
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Here's what too many beers, an old version of PhotoShop, and not enough time came up with.

kx300 2Here's what too many beers, an old version of PhotoShop, and not enough time came up with.

You can tell it’s an aspen, by the way it is.

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Here's what too many beers, an old version of PhotoShop, and not enough time came up with.

kx300 2Here's what too many beers, an old version of PhotoShop, and not enough time came up with.

ebers wrote:

You can tell it’s an aspen, by the way it is.

GOATED YT video

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The current aluminum perimeter frames create challenges for larger fuel tanks on the offroad bikes, so it would make sense to make it more fuel effiicient if that's the route they're taking and might point to it being injected to improve that area. 

I'd personally like to see something more akin to the YZ's - carbed, lower cost, easily and inexpensively modified, etc., to help keep it affordable for the masses. But the way things are trending lately - more electronics, subscription-based access to onboard tuning systems, etc., - that might not be realistic.

Time will tell.

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dkurtd wrote:
Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for...

Nobody on the coverage said it was a woods bike not even McGrath, you are mistaken.  Only thing AC said is he's on the list for one but never said it was a woods bike.

The speculation is out of this world, some of you are going to be heart broken when the true facts hit the internet.  And no, I don't have any idea what it is and will just wait to see.

agn5008 wrote:

Didn’t Matthes say the GNCC guys were gonna be happy? 

dkurtd wrote:
Sorry, i don't listen to that fat turd so I don't  know. Edit: I did listen to an interview MXA did with Mitch Payton at A2 and...

Sorry, i don't listen to that fat turd so I don't  know.

 

Edit: I did listen to an interview MXA did with Mitch Payton at A2 and he said he had no idea what it was.   If Mitch has no idea (which I feel probably isn't the whole truth), then I rather doubt Steve has a clue.  I just think the people that do know at this point is a pretty small group and also don't think those same people are going to say anything, especially to someone like Steve.

Ciancarillo knows what it is apparently. I’d be shocked if Steve and AC haven’t had a private conversation of some sorts. 

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1/28/2025 7:11pm
agn5008 wrote:

Didn’t Matthes say the GNCC guys were gonna be happy? 

dkurtd wrote:
Sorry, i don't listen to that fat turd so I don't  know. Edit: I did listen to an interview MXA did with Mitch Payton at A2 and...

Sorry, i don't listen to that fat turd so I don't  know.

 

Edit: I did listen to an interview MXA did with Mitch Payton at A2 and he said he had no idea what it was.   If Mitch has no idea (which I feel probably isn't the whole truth), then I rather doubt Steve has a clue.  I just think the people that do know at this point is a pretty small group and also don't think those same people are going to say anything, especially to someone like Steve.

agn5008 wrote:

Ciancarillo knows what it is apparently. I’d be shocked if Steve and AC haven’t had a private conversation of some sorts. 

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Race bikes...

Pastrana is a Peter Pan in real (moto) life. Watched part of this video while listening to music not the banter, but just watching TP. He has so much kid like passion/emotion/fun attitude for life. Very cool.     We all can learn something from him.

He done good.

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My money is on a 300.

But being Kawasaki it could be anything. They've really gone their own way in recent years with the likes of the ZX25R, the ZX4R, the H2 etc.

I've always got on well with the Kawis (have 4 currently) so if it comes to Thailand I'll likely get one no matter what the displacement.

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burn1986 wrote:

We need some good photoshop pics 😎

If nobody has posted one by tomorrow i’ll mock something up…

Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

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Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

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Need a 250/300.... BAD

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Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

26kx 0.jpg?VersionId=CaY1pdxHMPuO 5KmTmh .tUwPM9mvXO
Andy7 wrote:

Need a 250/300.... BAD

For the most part didn’t the 125s and 250s share most of the same components and frames?  Seems like if you’re going to release a 250 might as welll do a 125 too - no?

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Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

Quick photoshop of how a new KX125 could look....how cool would it be?!

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I’d guess if we see a green bike 2 stroke, it will have a kickstand.  Lots of kickstands on bikes at the MX tracks around Houston.  Off-road is popular and people in this area have to drive a good ways for true off-road riding. 

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