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profeshenal, that you??....lol....jk....not really....LOL
Dude you have a couple reasonable points, but like you said you've clearly never ridden a Stark and are missing some of the huge and valid points others have brought up.
To me the bottom line is you can literally WATCH his right hand drop to what looks like wide open, meaning I think the outcome was what he intended. Again, if his electric bike just "glitched out" that bad, you really think he's getting right back on to continue?
Maybe I'm wrong but I have a feeling your "decades of racing electric" is RC cars? If so, brother it ain't the same thing.
"Taddy The Baddy"
The throttle sticks WFO on your CR500.
Then you jump back on and ride back to the pits.
Yeah, right.
That's similar to a 450f in first gear, try full throttle and jump on the rear brake, you won't get far.
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Why did the fag on the Beta glance at Taddy and come to a dead stop in front of him? He chose to become an obstacle at that point. I would have punted his ass too.
Wonder if Patrick Evans is reading this with concern. Same goes for Tomasunas. Lol
Pretty sure there should be some data logged by the stark app that can be analysed on what happened at that exact timestamp. Interesting
🙄You’re so core.
Taddy's bike is set up at 48HP; not 80HP. I although I don't know for sure, I can say with confidence that the power mapping (or whatever it is called) in his bike is not what you get on a OEM Varg.
I'd say that is an accurate statement. They've done an update before that changed the throttle mapping for all of us normies(not in a good way). Since the rules dont state a maximum torque, they could technically still have the bike make maximum torque and just limit the hp.
HP is a function of torque.
Sort of, torque only decreases once it reaches the hp limit...
HP is simply torque at a given rpm. A mathematical calculation. Torque @ X RPM = HP
How do we know the HP is actually what Stark claims?
‘’’Just trust me…’
I believe they have a system in place with the race director. Not sure if they have access to each bikes settings/app or what it is. But I recall it being discussed at some point.
For an electric motor, power is voltage x amps.
The Varg battery pack uses cell configuration 100S 4P (4 parallel sets of 100 cells in series), each individual cell nominal voltage is 3.6 V, max discharge current is 45 A.
For the pack that is 3.6 V x 100 cells in series = 360 V nominal voltage, 45 A x 4 parallel sets = 180 A max current.
Throw in motor efficiency about 90%, max power is 360 V x 180 A x 0.9 = 58.32 kW or 78 hp. Or if motor efficiency is 92%, that gets you to 80 hp.
Now limit current to 135 A, you got yourself a 60 hp Varg. Limit current to 108 A, you got yourself a 48 hp Varg, just like Taddy raced in world championship.
In short, battery cells are the main limitations for power, not the motor nor its rpm. And you can very simply adjust power by restricting max current delivered to the motor.
How do we know that any bikes are legal ????? Everybody is trusted until they get protested . Stark has said they will provide software to allow officials access.
Would 80 HP really be an advantage on such a tight course? other than starts I bet that a rider makes more of a difference than the HP jump from a 250 to 450 on such tight stuff. Less HP might even be faster.
I am aware of the system. Just no way to prove the HP level is actually what Stark claims.
A 3rd party could look at the software and verify it is doing what it says. Just like you would calibrate the tools used to check other bikes to make sure they are not breaking rules. It is up to the org. to be able to enforce the rules , and everybody who lines up agrees that those rules and how they will be enforced is OK for them. Otherwise they can protest or not race the series right?
It wouldn't be the first toothless rule made in racing if they are really unable to enforce it. It is in Starks best interest NOT to cheat. At this point with it being difficult for them to get allowed to even race. Getting caught cheating would be really bad for them on many levels along with it seeming like extra power would not really be a giant advantage in that type of riding.
Outdoors on bigger tracks are were I might be more worried about them cranking up the power. But then they would run out of battery sooner too.
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It’s maybe a nit, but you can limit the voltage as well and in some cases it would make a significant difference. The torque is directly proportional to the motor current and the max speed the motor can turn is directly proportional to the supply voltage. So you could turn different knob’s and retain the 80hp torque characteristics but keep the speed down and still be under the HP rules.
Maybe stark can do a collab with the Volkswagen diesel engineers for their ECU
The FIM, FFM and Motorcycling Australia officials have been testing this system for months before allowing electrics to race, it's been now over a year of racing.
https://www.ma.org.au/licences-rules/rules/electric-machine-information/ for more information.
The procedure is here
https://www.ma.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Stark-Varg-Power-Setting-Confirmation-Procedures-State-National-Championships-V3.pdf
I believe they know how to run dynos.
so if the directors have access to the stark settings to see what the HP is set to, you don't believe it?
You guys know what a pivot turn is right? Well this is clearly a failed pivot turn, and it looks intentional to me.
In the video you can clearly see him weighting the bike before yanking the bars and going full throttle. He pins it, look at his hand, arm, elbow, they go down very quickly. If he did it correctly (not full throttle), he would have had no issues (besides maybe using the Beta rider for traction, but that not unusual so no issue there).
And the bike did exactly what you would expect it to do, it comes straight up, violently, lol.
If you haven't ridden one of these Varg's or Alta's, the power come on instantly, and if you go full throttle, you better be ready for it.
I've done plenty of pivot turns on my Alta while trail riding and I would NEVER even considering going full throttle to do one. Just a little crack of the throttle, yank the bars, let off the throttle when it come up, spin it around, drop it, off you go, easy peasy.
And as mentioned, he claims the bike is unpredictable, but gets right back on it and rides off? What the heck?
And also, as mentioned, Eddie Karlsson is not complaining about any issues and is having a good season in the same series on his Varg.
My take is Taddy is frustrated at not doing better, is not adapting to the bike, and is quitting like a cry baby and taking his ball home with him to sulk.
And good luck getting on another team Taddy, not sure any other mfr's would pick him up knowing he might bad mouth them mid season and quit.
You're right.
IIRC they've mentioned reducing power was also limiting torque but they did not really detail if they were limiting current or voltage or both.
Not to mention he’s old and passed his prime, that’s how he ended up on the Stark to begin with.
Man, talk about being thrown in at the deep end
That didn't take too long.
The FIM made the 2 Stark riders add weight after the first race of the series where Taddy was 2nd behind Johnny W. Same bs stuff the ama did to Honda back in the 80's where Honda was kicking hd's butt. The ama tried that crap with Indian which has been sweeping the top spots and has wiped hd of the map. hd has their own kiddy race now.
You might be thinking of Indoor Enduro of Champions race, where Walker won and Taddy went 2nd and Eddie 5th? It gathered all kinds of enduro champions (52 world titles) but was a one-off race, not part of Superenduro championship.
It may well have tilted the balance for FIM to decide restrictions for electrics, they haven't said what kind of data they had used to come up with 48 hp and the ridiculous minimum weight of 123 kg.
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