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1/12/2025 7:58pm

It's a great bike obviously, but do they sell a lot of them? Nobody on here wants one.

 

Magoofan wrote:
Seems like there are a number of people on here who own and are happy with them.           .... and it's still...

Seems like there are a number of people on here who own and are happy with them.           .... and it's still WAY more bike than the vast majority of people here can utilize to it's full potential.      

Plus, I wonder how many people don't buy them because of the "negative" vibe put out by so many here.   Kinda like when mom sent you to school in Sears Toughskins instead of Wranglers...   Both good products....but "stigma" and all. Wink         Yeah, I wore Toughskins! 🤣

I'd buy a Zook if I were in that market.        Not to mention...IMNSHO....the Suzuki is the best looking bike out there.    Yellow FTW.  

 

You know, here I was, relaxing while having some dinner and reading all the IQ-draining posts on Vital, just winding down... and then someone had to...

You know, here I was, relaxing while having some dinner and reading all the IQ-draining posts on Vital, just winding down... and then someone had to go and mention Toughskins jeans... and trigger instant PTSD.  😲

Going to school with rich kids when the craze was Levi's with the cuff rolled at the bottom and having to wear Toughskins was akin to having NERD tatooed on your forehead. Stigma is putting it mildly. 😢

Thanks sooooo much for the memories! 😆

"IQ-Draining posts on Vital" 😂🤣💀

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Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.

They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and MXDN.

In an interview I think in Paris they said they weee struggling with the suspension.

Once sorted….

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Magoofan wrote:

...and yet somehow that "dinosaur" Suzuki is still kicking ass.

I love it.

 

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M1000 wrote:

Jet went from Jett last (22) to 11. Tomac from 15-5. 

SEE ARE125 wrote:

What? Tomac was dead last after Jett was. Jett was in 21st and Tomac 22nd. 

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Glad I’m not the only one. Those shrouds remind me of the early 80’s when they just threw something on there because radiators were new and...

Glad I’m not the only one. Those shrouds remind me of the early 80’s when they just threw something on there because radiators were new and they weren’t sure what to cover them with.

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82 - they handled vile too. 

82 - they handled vile too. 
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TeamGreen wrote:

The 480 was awesome. 

Yes; it was their saving grace (and the '83 was better yet).

Probably because it didn't have radiator shrouds. 😃

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1/12/2025 8:27pm Edited Date/Time 1/12/2025 8:27pm
With them checking frames in tech now, and how much praise the Larry bros were giving the '25, can't help but wonder if Honda has been...

With them checking frames in tech now, and how much praise the Larry bros were giving the '25, can't help but wonder if Honda has been skirting the rules a bit? Either way I'm sure the head engineer over there, Dazzy, will have it all straightened out soon.

I'm still getting one in the spring though.

Who said they are checking frames in tech now?

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AMA doesn’t check worth a damn there a joke of technical inspections 

They don’t need to check anything at all in that regard. The ‘24 frame is still homologated for quite a few more years.

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I thought that when they moved up to 450s that Dazzy was hailed as a genius and fixed all of Roczen and Sextons bad setup mistakes...

I thought that when they moved up to 450s that Dazzy was hailed as a genius and fixed all of Roczen and Sextons bad setup mistakes. Now they cant figure things out? 🤷

The strange part about it to me was Honda famously refused to FIX the bike for Ken and Chase (and countless others over the years) yet the family made a bunch of changes and it was reported greatly improved.

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Not to mention they made it ugly as fuck, in my opinion 

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Glad I’m not the only one. Those shrouds remind me of the early 80’s when they just threw something on there because radiators were new and...

Glad I’m not the only one. Those shrouds remind me of the early 80’s when they just threw something on there because radiators were new and they weren’t sure what to cover them with.

KurtJ99 wrote:
82 - they handled vile too. 

82 - they handled vile too. 
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You know, I give them a pass back then since it was only the 2nd year of WC on the CRs and we were all still learning so much. We didn't have anything to compare them to, so no real criticism.

But jump ahead 43 years and Honda chooses to pay homage to one of the fugliest shrouds ever - the '95 RM - and give it smaller, angular slots.

Sorry, no pass this time.

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The bike looked great in Q2 where a couple slip ups is all that prevented Jett going P1 and the only rider into the 1:02's all...

The bike looked great in Q2 where a couple slip ups is all that prevented Jett going P1 and the only rider into the 1:02's all day. Hunter went 7th I believe?

Hunter came to life with aggression and speed defending Tomac in the heat. Bike looked fine there. 

Obviously the track changes during the evening, but its hard to believe HRC missed the set up by that much in the main. Jett's main snowballed, but was very weird to see him just riding around for the majority of it unless something bent up or he banged himself up. Hunter was just an also ran. Weird. 

See what SD brings. 

Hunter was actually charging in the main and went down. He slowed near the end.

Nothing statistically to point out the bikes are out of whack, Jett's head, not so much.

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1/13/2025 2:51am Edited Date/Time 1/13/2025 2:53am
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Japan phone call tomorrow: "Please explain Jett Lawrence finish 12th"

They can always say he had problems with the setup and blame it on someone else.... Believe me it is more difficult to explain to Suzuki how came second with a bike of 20?? 😅

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Imagine being Honda and letting a stucco contractor develop your bike. 

He’s only a pretend renderer mate, too many teeth

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It's a great bike obviously, but do they sell a lot of them? Nobody on here wants one.

 

Magoofan wrote:
Seems like there are a number of people on here who own and are happy with them.           .... and it's still...

Seems like there are a number of people on here who own and are happy with them.           .... and it's still WAY more bike than the vast majority of people here can utilize to it's full potential.      

Plus, I wonder how many people don't buy them because of the "negative" vibe put out by so many here.   Kinda like when mom sent you to school in Sears Toughskins instead of Wranglers...   Both good products....but "stigma" and all. Wink         Yeah, I wore Toughskins! 🤣

I'd buy a Zook if I were in that market.        Not to mention...IMNSHO....the Suzuki is the best looking bike out there.    Yellow FTW.  

 

You know, here I was, relaxing while having some dinner and reading all the IQ-draining posts on Vital, just winding down... and then someone had to...

You know, here I was, relaxing while having some dinner and reading all the IQ-draining posts on Vital, just winding down... and then someone had to go and mention Toughskins jeans... and trigger instant PTSD.  😲

Going to school with rich kids when the craze was Levi's with the cuff rolled at the bottom and having to wear Toughskins was akin to having NERD tatooed on your forehead. Stigma is putting it mildly. 😢

Thanks sooooo much for the memories! 😆

Yeah but, did your mother buy said Toughskins on layaway at Kmart?   (me too  lol)

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MxAddic wrote:
The strange part about it to me was Honda famously refused to FIX the bike for Ken and Chase (and countless others over the years) yet...

The strange part about it to me was Honda famously refused to FIX the bike for Ken and Chase (and countless others over the years) yet the family made a bunch of changes and it was reported greatly improved.

yeah, beacuse Ken has never had a setup problem with another bike/brand before. The guy goes through more suspension settings and guys than what Magoofan creates memes...

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Tough crowd! Obviously missed the setup and/or setup issues, they will get it straightened out…if anything it just made the series more interesting knowing Jett has some work to do. Not all bad for the Hknda camp as Jo won. I see some drilled engine hangers and less torque on chassis bolts going on at Honda this week😂 I like oldIMG 3317 1 Hondas

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Tough crowd! Obviously missed the setup and/or setup issues, they will get it straightened out…if anything it just made the series more interesting knowing Jett has...

Tough crowd! Obviously missed the setup and/or setup issues, they will get it straightened out…if anything it just made the series more interesting knowing Jett has some work to do. Not all bad for the Hknda camp as Jo won. I see some drilled engine hangers and less torque on chassis bolts going on at Honda this week😂 I like oldIMG 3317 1 Hondas

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LP31 wrote:
Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and...

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.

They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and MXDN.

In an interview I think in Paris they said they weee struggling with the suspension.

Once sorted….

Funny thing…

I see that suspension on other bikes in the main…bikes that finished on the podium.

I’m jus’ sayin’…

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LP31 wrote:
Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and...

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.

They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and MXDN.

In an interview I think in Paris they said they weee struggling with the suspension.

Once sorted….

TeamGreen wrote:

Funny thing…

I see that suspension on other bikes in the main…bikes that finished on the podium.

I’m jus’ sayin’…

come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know what works for one rider doesn't mean it works for another.  It's round 1, I'm still betting Jett ends up on the podium more often then he doesn't.

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LP31 wrote:
Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and...

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.

They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and MXDN.

In an interview I think in Paris they said they weee struggling with the suspension.

Once sorted….

TeamGreen wrote:

Funny thing…

I see that suspension on other bikes in the main…bikes that finished on the podium.

I’m jus’ sayin’…

soggy wrote:
come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know...

come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know what works for one rider doesn't mean it works for another.  It's round 1, I'm still betting Jett ends up on the podium more often then he doesn't.

Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”

And I responded with an actual fact. That’s all there is to it. The new Showa stuff is EXCELLENT. A rider…indeed…a team…needs to do the work and find the settings that work on Saturday-night. That’s all there is to it.

Been there, done that, seen them do it…as in seeing the “20”, Kaipo, the Showa techs and the riders bust their asses finding a base for BOTH riders. So, like I’m saying…the Showa stuff is fine…the chassis and the settings…apparently…ARE NOT.

Capisce? 

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TeamGreen wrote:
Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…“Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”And I responded with an...

Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”

And I responded with an actual fact. That’s all there is to it. The new Showa stuff is EXCELLENT. A rider…indeed…a team…needs to do the work and find the settings that work on Saturday-night. That’s all there is to it.

Been there, done that, seen them do it…as in seeing the “20”, Kaipo, the Showa techs and the riders bust their asses finding a base for BOTH riders. So, like I’m saying…the Showa stuff is fine…the chassis and the settings…apparently…ARE NOT.

Capisce? 

I get what your saying. I don’t think anyone is implying the Showa stuff is bad they just haven’t found the setting yet. Every bikes chassis will handle different settings in there own way. I’d still bet on them to figure it out. We pretty much see the same thing from every team when a new bikes comes out. The Lawrence’s aren’t immune to it.  When KTM’s new chassis came out it was a disaster for the race team, so much so they updated it. 

On the other end Kawi seems pretty good at getting there riders comfortable relatively quickly. 

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Didn't this bike just have a slightly modified frame? I thought they ran this bike in the summer and Hunter immediately did better and told everyone...

Didn't this bike just have a slightly modified frame? I thought they ran this bike in the summer and Hunter immediately did better and told everyone how great the 25 was?

Jett qualified 2nd and Hunter 5th. Bikes fine. Jett looked like shit in the interviews. Tired, sick, fed up with his chick. It was on him. He qualified right behind Tomac. And Tomac went from dead last to 5th. 

snowy816 wrote:
Agree 100% bike is fine prob still some fine tuning - 1st race Jett gets hung up on tuff block off start , passes a fair...

Agree 100% bike is fine prob still some fine tuning - 1st race Jett gets hung up on tuff block off start , passes a fair few people then drops it in the sand and lost allot of time.


Let’s chill wait for 2nd round

Just because the Race Media bobble heads said bike is bad … its a dumpster fire for Honda now. 

Media stirring the pot.

A1 is always a crap shoot and most of the teams are back making adjustments over the next 2 or 3 races so lets see how it boils out.

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TeamGreen wrote:

Funny thing…

I see that suspension on other bikes in the main…bikes that finished on the podium.

I’m jus’ sayin’…

soggy wrote:
come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know...

come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know what works for one rider doesn't mean it works for another.  It's round 1, I'm still betting Jett ends up on the podium more often then he doesn't.

TeamGreen wrote:
Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…“Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”And I responded with an...

Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”

And I responded with an actual fact. That’s all there is to it. The new Showa stuff is EXCELLENT. A rider…indeed…a team…needs to do the work and find the settings that work on Saturday-night. That’s all there is to it.

Been there, done that, seen them do it…as in seeing the “20”, Kaipo, the Showa techs and the riders bust their asses finding a base for BOTH riders. So, like I’m saying…the Showa stuff is fine…the chassis and the settings…apparently…ARE NOT.

Capisce? 

Apparently Joe didn't like the Lawrences 250 settings when he first got on the bike last year and struggled to find his own settings.

This year he has found a setting that he likes and its working!

JS7 on the broadcast pointed Jetts settings out as he was crossing the straight in the race with the front end shaking its head.

Matthes and JT discussed the same thing on the review show.

Hunter crashed 3 times in the whoops/ sand section.

Jett looked off all night and couldn't trust the bike.

ML discussed it in his review show today.

Why they just dont go back to what worked with the 24 Showa has me beat. Which I think was their 23 stuff as the 24 was playing up last year.

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What we all saw Saturday was obviously Jett was off, not feeling it. Then it was compounded by a very deep experienced field including multiple past champions who have worked all off season to beat him. No one is going to give Jett an easy pass this year. So a bad start is going to be a lot of work. I think Jett is not as liked in the paddock as he thought. 

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come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know...

come on dude your smarter then that and you know there are way to many other variables to make a blanket statement like that.  we know what works for one rider doesn't mean it works for another.  It's round 1, I'm still betting Jett ends up on the podium more often then he doesn't.

TeamGreen wrote:
Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…“Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”And I responded with an...

Here’s what was posted…as if the suspension, itself, is the problem…

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.”

And I responded with an actual fact. That’s all there is to it. The new Showa stuff is EXCELLENT. A rider…indeed…a team…needs to do the work and find the settings that work on Saturday-night. That’s all there is to it.

Been there, done that, seen them do it…as in seeing the “20”, Kaipo, the Showa techs and the riders bust their asses finding a base for BOTH riders. So, like I’m saying…the Showa stuff is fine…the chassis and the settings…apparently…ARE NOT.

Capisce? 

LP31 wrote:
Apparently Joe didn't like the Lawrences 250 settings when he first got on the bike last year and struggled to find his own settings.This year he...

Apparently Joe didn't like the Lawrences 250 settings when he first got on the bike last year and struggled to find his own settings.

This year he has found a setting that he likes and its working!

JS7 on the broadcast pointed Jetts settings out as he was crossing the straight in the race with the front end shaking its head.

Matthes and JT discussed the same thing on the review show.

Hunter crashed 3 times in the whoops/ sand section.

Jett looked off all night and couldn't trust the bike.

ML discussed it in his review show today.

Why they just dont go back to what worked with the 24 Showa has me beat. Which I think was their 23 stuff as the 24 was playing up last year.

I think they had to fight for the settings they were on last year. there's a lot of politics involved, it should be as simple as the rider likes this better so we'll use that but that's not the way it works all the time.  especially on a factory team.

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Probably a bit silly to blame the bike for one bad race where he had two crashes, no? And the new bike isn't all that different from the previous model anyway.

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Pat327 wrote:
Probably a bit silly to blame the bike for one bad race where he had two crashes, no? And the new bike isn't all that different...

Probably a bit silly to blame the bike for one bad race where he had two crashes, no? And the new bike isn't all that different from the previous model anyway.

Are you new to the internet?

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Probably a bit silly to blame the bike for one bad race where he had two crashes, no? And the new bike isn't all that different...

Probably a bit silly to blame the bike for one bad race where he had two crashes, no? And the new bike isn't all that different from the previous model anyway.

Why does everyone keep saying he crashed twice? First turn he never fell down just got pushed inside the tuffblocks and got hung up a bit, and then he fell in the sand.

Did I miss something else?

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LP31 wrote:
Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and...

Its not the bike its the latest works Showa suspension.

They had no issues running the 24 works Showa stuff at the last few nationals, SMX and MXDN.

In an interview I think in Paris they said they weee struggling with the suspension.

Once sorted….

TeamGreen wrote:

Funny thing…

I see that suspension on other bikes in the main…bikes that finished on the podium.

I’m jus’ sayin’…

What other Honda 450s finished on the podium?

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Why does everyone keep saying he crashed twice? First turn he never fell down just got pushed inside the tuffblocks and got hung up a bit...

Why does everyone keep saying he crashed twice? First turn he never fell down just got pushed inside the tuffblocks and got hung up a bit, and then he fell in the sand.

Did I miss something else?

Because he did and yes. Check the lap chart I posted.

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What other Honda 450s finished on the podium?

Does that mean the Star bikes have issues too?

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What other Honda 450s finished on the podium?

MxAddic wrote:

Does that mean the Star bikes have issues too?

What?

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