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If it's not a thing already, more agressive waivers to be signed by all.
If I'm jumping a double and there's a skiddy parked on the landing, that's on the track. Any and all injuries aside from things like that are on the rider.
I wonder how the AMA is with the IRS. Someone start a group to fund an audit of the AMA and hopefully restructure to actually help small tracks.
Not sure why my previous post about this got deleted, but the next President of the United States has adult children as well as grandkids that ride dirt bikes. There are literally social media posts in the past year of Ivanka and Eric riding with their kids. Don Jr. was also previously featured in Dirt Rider magazine years ago. It's not often that we have dirt bike enthusiasts so close to the White House.
Not saying that this issue would be high on their priority list, but it's good to have allies in high places.
The federal government is largely immune from suits like this.
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Which Texas track?
Village Creek in DFW. This is a quote from Brit who works as a finishline flagger there:
Yep I bitched when I had to pay a pretty high amount for my national licence but then I had my accident and I got a personal visit by a nice man from an insurance company telling me I'm eligible for a pretty good pay out, thanks to the fact I had a national licence and was at a recognised track.. I did also have a lawyer ask if I wanted to sue and I told him no! Buuut before I feel too good about myself, I live in Australia so I got a 9 month hospital visit with the best care I could hope for free, so I was never desperate for money!
I never understood suing a facility due to an injury on their property, especially given we all know the risk associated with this sport. I do agree there are certain scenarios for everything so my statement is not a blanket across the board, but this Texas facility doesn't sound like one.. It is not just in dirtbikes though, in the city I grew up in there was a famous skateboarder who had his own park at the house and would allow most of the local kids to come by and ride at his place, until one kid broke his wrist and the family sued him for an unsafe environment and no parental supervision. Rather than taking responsibility, people seem to just pass blame elsewhere.
The AMA is a non profit. Their 990 (tax return) is public knowledge and available to all of their members.
Because those owned by the american citizens.
Elaborate please
This is an interesting one I found in a google search
https://www.wisnerbaum.com/blog/2011/september/victims-sue-bureau-of-la…
Just speculating... But when they say its just a temporary closure (they hope), it might be because they lost their insurance.
I know of an incident locally where a family’s young child ran into the road after a ball and was tragically hit by a passing vehicle. As I was told, the family had zero interest in suing. It was a tragic accident. Ultimately they had to unlist their number because of all the attorneys bombarding them with calls. Then they had three attorneys show up at the same time (uninvited) at their home and two got into a fistfight over who could go to the door and pitch their services first.
The majority of personal injury attorneys are scum of the earth, using others’ pain to get a fat paycheck under the guise of “helping.”
Whenever I crashed and got F’d up at a track and had to make a trip to the hospital, I always told them I fell down at the house……it works pretty well unless you take an ambulance ride to the hospital. Can’t really lie about it then. I’ve paid all my own medical bills from the crashes I’ve had but I’m the type of person that would never ride without medical insurance. It’s a different world out there now. If you do a deep dive into it medical costs have skyrocketed, then your insurance goes up, then your insurance company doesn’t want to take take any risks due to profit margins…..unfortunately fun activities are the first to go.
The future of the sport.... LMAO.
The future has already been prophesized..... we are already most of the way there.
He moved the BLM to Grand Junction, Colorado the first term. But made a mistake and let employees choose to stay in DC, and so only 16 employees actually moved. But that is a step in the right direction and I fully intend to make an effort to protect the local riding area from the foreign invasion of libtards that is and has happened here. I have noticed that the MTB crowd does a hell of a lot better job organizing and getting things done than the dirt bike crowd, not sure why.
Damn. It’s almost like if congress spent our money responsibly and had national healthcare for everyone people wouldn’t need to sue to cover medical expenses.
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I shattered both my ankles and broke my pelvis september 2022 at Glen Helen. The medical bills were pretty gnarly. The 20-minute ambulance ride to loma linda was shocking in itself. Took 4 months to be able to walk again and ended up with a ton of metal in me and a fused ankle. Not once through that whole time period did I even think about suing glen helen. Ive gotten hurt at Elsinore, Perris and Cahuilla, again not once did I ever think I need to sue the track because my medical bills are high. I willingly went out on a track I knew I could get hurt on; therefore why would I sue? Your argument is dumb, high medical bills don't give you a pass to shut down a track. If you're going to race and ride dirt bikes get decent insurance and accept the fact your hobby is expensive and you will get hurt at some point.
Oklahoma Agritourism protects farms and places that have people visit their property, they come out and even place liability signs. Surely there is a way for motocross tracks or other adventure type facilities to fall under sole type of tourism protection. Feel like the time is now to implement change, or this will keep happening and no one will want to open up new places.
Australia has its own issues , they have to self insure and just took a motorcycling Victoria (the 2nd largest stage by population ) right to issue permits away ,
Australia has the same issue with riders and spectators suing tracks
I will probably get lots of down votes, but I think the price to be able to ride a moto track for a day is way to cheap. looking around at what other stuff costs to do, I think a day at the track should be more like maybe, I don't know, maybe 60...70...140. If the riders could come to terms with this then the tracks could stay open. They could afford the increasing cost of insurance. With the increasing cost of healthcare injuries and law suits are inevitable. So most likely the price to participate will also go up. For comparison a trackday on my superbike is avg 250 and often sells out with about 150 riders. Sorry this is the cards we are dealt. We have had it so good for so long. The game is evolving.
The people that put in all the hard work to run a track deserve to make a decent living doing it. If it was profitable to do so, more people would do it and we would have more tracks. The only way I see this happening is if they charge more at the gate. I bet most of my local tracks that have shut down would still be open if they could charge like the road race courses do. Sorry if this is too much common sense for some of you.
$140 ? WTF
so I want to take my 2- kids riding on Saturday and Sunday and it’s only going to cost me $840 to get thru the gates. Not to mention all the other costs involved. Cmon man, that’s a dud
I dont disagree. If they need to charge $50 or $60 per rider, it is what it is. People will spend that at the bar but bitch and moan about track fees.
The issues between Motorcycling Australia and Motorcycling Victoria are over more than insurance, there are personalities and politics involved.
Now Motorcycling Australia is trying to change their Constitution, to remove Motorcycling Victoria's member rights.
I know. We cant go that high right away. How much would you be willing to pay?
They could sell a seasons pass like a ski resort. Costs me 1500-2000 for a season pass. 200-300 for a day ticket.
People live to butch and moan about the status quo at least these guys are providing some possible answers.
And, I know this is a family sport, America has changed. If you want to put a minor on a motorcycle to launch jumps and rail berms it is probably going to be expensive. Or the powers that be won't let you do it. Hopefully not.
Motocross tracks are often run by good old country boys or farmer types. Sometimes a track is run by an ex-rider. Very few are businesspeople and often tracks are run very poorly. Poor signage, poor communications, pit bikes screaming around the pits, riders going out on the track in the wrong classes, and so on. My points are tracks must have a plan for safety and organization. When people break the rules kick them out! A good track owner should be able to walk their facility finding danger points and fixing them. In Aviation the goal always to prevent stupidity before it happens. Motocross track owners need to look in the mirror and understand they can be better also. Sure, there will be the occasional lawsuit due to a crash, but you should have your ducks in a row to beat it quickly. If the track did something stupid, then they will lose.
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