Prado on the mxgp

Edited Date/Time 11/25/2024 4:10am

Greed from the top is slowly killing the sport of motocross in europe and eveybody just watching it sink. 

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I really like this dude.  He’s honest and wants to win simply because he wants to win on his motorcycle.  I don’t think he cares about the money or fame according to the interviews I’ve heard.


His take on the GPs seemed genuine and unfiltered but respectful.  We’re lucky to have him in the US 

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11/24/2024 11:24pm

he right, but unless the manufactuers leave or force change, the goverments that pay the most will get the GP's

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I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

Bearuno wrote:
 It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he...

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

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By the way.. Something I still can't get my head around, who the fuck came up with that schedule in the end for next year? It's absolutely ridiculous.

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It's been shared quite a few times - by multiple people and myself included - in the MXGP Rumours/Silly season thread: In Europe we should be happy with the team owners of high level (factory) teams that pay a lot out of their own pocket to contest in the MXGP World Championship. On top of Infront and the increasing costs, we have seen a few cases where they got screwed by manufactures as well. I don't know the exact numbers they're putting into their teams each year vs. what they receive from the factories, but it's significant.

Wilvo Fantic: 3 riders in 2025. Bonacorsi placed here after 'saving' Yamaha MXGP in 2024 due to all the injuries, while it should have been a learning/debut year in MX2(!). Team owner Louis Vosters got dropped by Yamaha after 8 years, if it wasn't for the love of the sport and his team they would have stopped at the end of 2024. 

Read this interesting article here: https://gatedrop.com/louis-vosters-explains-yamaha-split-and-fantic-project/

If you search Wilvo Group, they had a revenue of 170 mln in 2024 and got taken over by Revian investment group. I don't know how much Louis Vosters is still involved in the company though. I don't have to know, all we know is that he invested significant sums into his MXGP team(s) Smile  

Kemea Yamaha 3 riders in 2025. Team owner is Hans Corvers, unbelievable fan of the sport and a big fan (he is from Belgium) of Jago Geerts. He also shares his insights after every qualifying day + race day. Note that I've never heard any negative word coming from him about any of his riders. That is remarkable

Interesting trailer of 2024 season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aq3ZQfmFpw

Nestaan Husqvarna 3 riders in 2025, Team owner is Kay Hennekens, long time team owner within KTM group. First he had a team with Jacky Martens, then he split ways and now has the Factory Husqvarna team. Supported Kay de Wolf since his first year on EMX125, supported Herlings as a sponsor since he went from 85cc to 250cc in 2009. 

Gariboldi HRC Honda 4 riders in 2025. Team owner is Gariboldi, business owner in race horses. 

Hutten Metaal Yamaha 3 riders in 2025

SR Honda 2 riders in 2025

WZ Racing 2 riders in 2025 (should be Grau and Prugnieres)

F&H racing Notable team, even had a season with 4 mx2 riders

Standing Construct Honda Notable team, even had a few seasons with 3 riders in MXGP

If you count these above, you have 20 riders being able to race thanks to these guys. I'm not saying they're paying 100% of all costs involved, but they're a big contributor to the MXGP World Championship. Now, when they don't see the value of this championship being notable anymore, things can get ugly quick. 

 

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

Bearuno wrote:
 It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he...

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

Hopefully they've timed the Darwin round with one of the morale days when the US Marines are in town on a training rotation.  That would make it fun and interesting for everyone!  😁

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Hasn't MXA been telling us about this for years?

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

37 hours is effed, man

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

37 hours is effed, man

Effectively rules out most local riders, other than those with factory support.

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11/25/2024 1:20pm

Me and my dad are listening to the full podcast, he’s amazed about how much in front makes and some of the travel times say in turkey for example.

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

37 hours is effed, man

CPR wrote:

Effectively rules out most local riders, other than those with factory support.

Where else would they have it?  Plenty of good quality MX tracks in Australia but probably none that have the facilities to host a GP.  

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11/25/2024 7:47pm Edited Date/Time 11/25/2024 7:48pm
FGR01 wrote:
Hopefully they've timed the Darwin round with one of the morale days when the US Marines are in town on a training rotation.  That would make...

Hopefully they've timed the Darwin round with one of the morale days when the US Marines are in town on a training rotation.  That would make it fun and interesting for everyone!  😁

There's a Joint Base just across from Darwin (and others) , to my knowledge that's getting Ever bigger, so, plenty of US Service People nearby , all the time. 

But, how many would be interested in MXGP - given the general lack of interest even here on Vital? Though, in my experience, they sure as hell like to 'party'.

By the way, the Chinese CCP are quite upset with the build / expansion of said base(s), as it's / they are so close to *their* Port. Yes, we Leased Darwin's' Port - a 99 year lease, I think - to a Chinese Company, which, translates to Leasing it out to the CCP. I wonder when they'll claim it as Sovereign Ground?............

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37 hours is effed, man

CPR wrote:

Effectively rules out most local riders, other than those with factory support.

ando wrote:

Where else would they have it?  Plenty of good quality MX tracks in Australia but probably none that have the facilities to host a GP.  

Plenty around Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne that could do it with an upgrade. Or you could take any major motorsport facility in those locations and build a track like they’re doing in the Territory, and you’d be way, way better off. 
But obviously it comes down to who’s willing to pay Infront, just as Prado said.

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11/26/2024 4:39am
CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

Bearuno wrote:
 It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he...

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

CPR wrote:
It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds...

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

It's crazy they didn't schedule Darwin in July, September's weather can be problematic, but at least it's not the wet season!

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11/26/2024 5:24am Edited Date/Time 11/26/2024 5:36am

It's easy to speak up about a championship when you just left it to race another. Never heard anything from him while he was racing GP's.

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Yes, yes it is.

Now he's free from retribution from that arsehole Luongo. 

That pr**k has made a fair few peoples lives 'uncomfortable' , after they've raised some issues, over many years. As far as I know, Seewer got hauled over the coals after the French GP  back a season or so. 

I remember when riders would get a Holeshot Cheque at each GP, and a few made a point of saying something like Money, Money, Money - in an obvious dig at there only being that on offer. The 'each event' reward for the Holeshots, soon disappeared, to become, I think, a yearly thing - accumulated Holeshots . I'm unsure if that is still being paid to riders. 

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Greed from the top is slowly killing the sport…hmmm 🤔

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Plenty of talented riders there, but it sure seems they do not have a series that matches their talents. That was a surprisingly direct interview. SMX may be the real winner over the next few years. 

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I hope Luongos see this video.

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CPR wrote:
I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from...

I laughed at the Turkey example being 5 hours from a big city. 
The new Australian GP in Darwin next year is a 37 hour drive from the nearest capital city with a big moto community. 

37 hours is effed, man

CPR wrote:

Effectively rules out most local riders, other than those with factory support.

If it was on the East coast the West would be inconvenienced and if it was in the West it would be inconvenient for the East.. 

So in a way it makes sense, now it sucks for everyone haha

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12/1/2024 2:11pm

I'm in Melbourne, down the bottom of Oz,

 I costed up the event, 3 nights, rental car, accomadation, event ticket and food for one, maybe some merch.

It was just under $5,000 Aud for just me, not within my budget.

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Bearuno wrote:
 It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he...

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

CPR wrote:
It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds...

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

It's crazy they didn't schedule Darwin in July, September's weather can be problematic, but at least it's not the wet season!

When is it crocs eat humans season?

12/1/2024 3:17pm
CPR wrote:
It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds...

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

It's crazy they didn't schedule Darwin in July, September's weather can be problematic, but at least it's not the wet season!

When is it crocs eat humans season?

All year, much safer in Melbourne...

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Bearuno wrote:
 It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he...

 

It just comes down to the money going into Infront's / Luongo's pockets. That's all they care about. It's that Bastards ( Luongo) "model', that he / they've profited from, for decades now. 

The track at Darwin, is, reportedly, only around 10 / 11ks away from Darwin center .... but bloody 100s / thousands away from our big populations. Yet another Government  Tourist Board  falling for Loungo's BS, I fear. 

I've got the basic 3 day tickets, but am (foolishly, I reckon) thinking about getting the Fancy Tickets. If only for She Who Must Be Obeyed 's comfort.  Just those 2 tickets will be  around $3390 AUD!!!!! And no, I'm not made of money. Far F**king from it! 

As I've written before, on a cursory calculation, it , all up, will cost (far) more than going to Indonesia for 2 GPs, and staying in Luxury, wherever we are. And, one of them is in Sumbawa again, and that was  bloody fantastic. 

Cripes, I think we could go to the Chinese GP for less, and, 'SWMBO', fancies a trip to Shanghai and then popping over to Japan. 

I hope it succeeds, that's why I bought tickets straight away, but I fear a f**k up of epic proportions, and the rapid disappearance of an OZ MXGP.

CPR wrote:
It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds...

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

It's crazy they didn't schedule Darwin in July, September's weather can be problematic, but at least it's not the wet season!

What's the track like?  Any idea?

12/1/2024 3:45pm
CPR wrote:
It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds...

It’s crazy that it’s ended up in Darwin, but like you I hope to be there to support it. By all accounts Hidden Valley raceway holds great events, so maybe, just maybe it works out. But geez they couldn’t have made it any harder logistically.

It's crazy they didn't schedule Darwin in July, September's weather can be problematic, but at least it's not the wet season!

What's the track like?  Any idea?

No idea, they haven't built it yet, or announced in what part of Hidden Valley they will build it...

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CPR wrote:

Effectively rules out most local riders, other than those with factory support.

ando wrote:

Where else would they have it?  Plenty of good quality MX tracks in Australia but probably none that have the facilities to host a GP.  

CPR wrote:
Plenty around Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne that could do it with an upgrade. Or you could take any major motorsport facility in those locations and build a track like...

Plenty around Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne that could do it with an upgrade. Or you could take any major motorsport facility in those locations and build a track like they’re doing in the Territory, and you’d be way, way better off. 
But obviously it comes down to who’s willing to pay Infront, just as Prado said.

No doubt it was the money, probably the NT government footing the bill.

As a spectator I wouldn’t be a fan of any track built at a motorsport facility - almost guaranteed to be crappy viewing, but I’m sure that’s a long way down the list of criteria for where they decide to hold GP’s these days.

Having said that it’s very probably way cheaper to build a track than to build the infrastructure and facilities.

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Cortami79 wrote:
It's been shared quite a few times - by multiple people and myself included - in the MXGP Rumours/Silly season thread: In Europe we should be...

It's been shared quite a few times - by multiple people and myself included - in the MXGP Rumours/Silly season thread: In Europe we should be happy with the team owners of high level (factory) teams that pay a lot out of their own pocket to contest in the MXGP World Championship. On top of Infront and the increasing costs, we have seen a few cases where they got screwed by manufactures as well. I don't know the exact numbers they're putting into their teams each year vs. what they receive from the factories, but it's significant.

Wilvo Fantic: 3 riders in 2025. Bonacorsi placed here after 'saving' Yamaha MXGP in 2024 due to all the injuries, while it should have been a learning/debut year in MX2(!). Team owner Louis Vosters got dropped by Yamaha after 8 years, if it wasn't for the love of the sport and his team they would have stopped at the end of 2024. 

Read this interesting article here: https://gatedrop.com/louis-vosters-explains-yamaha-split-and-fantic-project/

If you search Wilvo Group, they had a revenue of 170 mln in 2024 and got taken over by Revian investment group. I don't know how much Louis Vosters is still involved in the company though. I don't have to know, all we know is that he invested significant sums into his MXGP team(s) Smile  

Kemea Yamaha 3 riders in 2025. Team owner is Hans Corvers, unbelievable fan of the sport and a big fan (he is from Belgium) of Jago Geerts. He also shares his insights after every qualifying day + race day. Note that I've never heard any negative word coming from him about any of his riders. That is remarkable

Interesting trailer of 2024 season: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aq3ZQfmFpw

Nestaan Husqvarna 3 riders in 2025, Team owner is Kay Hennekens, long time team owner within KTM group. First he had a team with Jacky Martens, then he split ways and now has the Factory Husqvarna team. Supported Kay de Wolf since his first year on EMX125, supported Herlings as a sponsor since he went from 85cc to 250cc in 2009. 

Gariboldi HRC Honda 4 riders in 2025. Team owner is Gariboldi, business owner in race horses. 

Hutten Metaal Yamaha 3 riders in 2025

SR Honda 2 riders in 2025

WZ Racing 2 riders in 2025 (should be Grau and Prugnieres)

F&H racing Notable team, even had a season with 4 mx2 riders

Standing Construct Honda Notable team, even had a few seasons with 3 riders in MXGP

If you count these above, you have 20 riders being able to race thanks to these guys. I'm not saying they're paying 100% of all costs involved, but they're a big contributor to the MXGP World Championship. Now, when they don't see the value of this championship being notable anymore, things can get ugly quick. 

 

Don't forget Kimi Räikkönen, Factory Kawasaki.   3 riders.  Without his support, they pack up and go home. 

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