Monster Energy pulling out of GNCC

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I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because...

I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because they were more convenient by the case where I would buy them.  I did this for probably 5 years and I began to have prostate problems which at the time, we had no idea what was causing it.  I know there is only a handful of guys here that have ever had prostatis or know what prostate pain feels like (and the bathroom frequency), but it radiates to other parts of your body like your back, your abdomen, nuts, all around, pain in places you didn't even know could hurt, it makes you wonder if you are dying from the inside out where you do not want to start the dying LOL.  I spent way too much time and money with doctor visits and tests, taking awful antibiotics for months with no results.   I finally started doing my own research and found that concentrated amounts of caffeine or alcohol can harm your prostate.  I decided to cut out energy drinks and felt miraculously better within a few weeks, I was shocked and obviously pleased at the same time.

I know most people do not have problems with energy drinks, and I think there may be a certain amount of people that may be having problems and do not realize the source.  I used to love the wake-up I would get from an energy drink, but I can say with 100% certainty, they are awful for you.  I kind of see them like a cigarette - 100 years ago we had no idea what health issues they were going to cause, and fast forward to today, we have learned a lot and know the risks. There is a lot of shit in energy drinks, I think there will be a lot to learn.

I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having diarrhea randomly in between the 1-2 I consumed. When I stopped drinking them my digestive issues also stopped. I haven't had one in over a year now. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on...

I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on the MX/SX team and most sponsors refused. Many, many people associate dirt bikes and riding with back flippers, heinous injuries, negative environmental impacts, and intrusive noise. There can be no denying that. As a sport we have had literally decades to address these issues and have done virtually nothing, even going backwards in some respects. How many moms want junior to ride after watching countless riders not finish a season racing or splattering themselves to bits in a "freestyle" competition, people bitch about noise - we buy and ride four strokes, heavier bikes, more aggressive tires, disc brakes, more HP/torque - add to trail impact. People have been bitching about off road motorcycling and their negative impact for decades and instead of addressing people's very real concerns, we label the concerned as assholes or unreasonable. Meanwhile, quads, UTVs, snowmobiles, and horse enthusiast unite and address concerns and have the trails/riding areas to show for it. Down vote all you want, the biggest enemy to our sport is us, our pro racing is hard to get sponsorship because of the image we all project.

Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting? 
   Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle racing, now they are banning pitbikes................  
 

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

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Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the...

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the advertising restriction regs.

Vintage moto at its finest. 👍

JazzyJJ wrote:

Nicotine is actually good for cognitive health, it's the smoking that's bad for you.

truck wrote:
Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per...

Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. 

Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per can for these energy drinks. Couple hundred a month to stay caffeinated is insane.

Wrong

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/#:~:text=CONCLUSIONS-,….

Preclinical models and human studies have demonstrated that nicotine has cognitive-enhancing effects, including improvement of fine motor functions, attention, working memory, and episodic memory. 

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loftyair wrote:
Isn't the only negative just so much sugar? I don't think other stuff is bad. A bunch of caffeine too. IMO anything with high-fructose corn syrup...

Isn't the only negative just so much sugar? I don't think other stuff is bad. A bunch of caffeine too. IMO anything with high-fructose corn syrup is way worse.

JazzyJJ wrote:

They have a bunch of chemicals and the fake sweeteners are supposed to be pretty bad for you. Fake coloring additives are also horrible for you

They put an addictive chemical in it that makes you crave it fortnightly, smaaartaaasss…!

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I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because...

I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because they were more convenient by the case where I would buy them.  I did this for probably 5 years and I began to have prostate problems which at the time, we had no idea what was causing it.  I know there is only a handful of guys here that have ever had prostatis or know what prostate pain feels like (and the bathroom frequency), but it radiates to other parts of your body like your back, your abdomen, nuts, all around, pain in places you didn't even know could hurt, it makes you wonder if you are dying from the inside out where you do not want to start the dying LOL.  I spent way too much time and money with doctor visits and tests, taking awful antibiotics for months with no results.   I finally started doing my own research and found that concentrated amounts of caffeine or alcohol can harm your prostate.  I decided to cut out energy drinks and felt miraculously better within a few weeks, I was shocked and obviously pleased at the same time.

I know most people do not have problems with energy drinks, and I think there may be a certain amount of people that may be having problems and do not realize the source.  I used to love the wake-up I would get from an energy drink, but I can say with 100% certainty, they are awful for you.  I kind of see them like a cigarette - 100 years ago we had no idea what health issues they were going to cause, and fast forward to today, we have learned a lot and know the risks. There is a lot of shit in energy drinks, I think there will be a lot to learn.

sam hain wrote:
I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having...

I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having diarrhea randomly in between the 1-2 I consumed. When I stopped drinking them my digestive issues also stopped. I haven't had one in over a year now. 

1 - 2 a WEEK?  I would hardly call that addicted...

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loftyair wrote:
Isn't the only negative just so much sugar? I don't think other stuff is bad. A bunch of caffeine too. IMO anything with high-fructose corn syrup...

Isn't the only negative just so much sugar? I don't think other stuff is bad. A bunch of caffeine too. IMO anything with high-fructose corn syrup is way worse.

Long term consumption of sucralose isn’t great for gut health. Getting harder to avoid it. 

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TalinH112 wrote:
“I’m Leigh Diffy here with my cohost Ricky Carmichael, and welcome to the first round of Supercross here at Angels Stadium brought to you by Ozempic!”...

“I’m Leigh Diffy here with my cohost Ricky Carmichael, and welcome to the first round of Supercross here at Angels Stadium brought to you by Ozempic!” 😂

Just wait for the bent carrot sponsorship 

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Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the...

Back to the Future: might be an opportunity for Coors and Camel to market their wares as "nutritional supplements" to do an end run on the advertising restriction regs.

Vintage moto at its finest. 👍

JazzyJJ wrote:

Nicotine is actually good for cognitive health, it's the smoking that's bad for you.

truck wrote:
Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per...

Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. 

Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per can for these energy drinks. Couple hundred a month to stay caffeinated is insane.

I regularly see them 3 for $5 for Rockstars and 2 for $4 for Monsters at my grocery store and convenience stores.  So, a little pricey but not much more than buying a "single" soda.   I rarely drink them, but from my observations, they are really popular with the same crowd that buys Vaping Pens...Ha!

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TalinH112 wrote:
“I’m Leigh Diffy here with my cohost Ricky Carmichael, and welcome to the first round of Supercross here at Angels Stadium brought to you by Ozempic!”...

“I’m Leigh Diffy here with my cohost Ricky Carmichael, and welcome to the first round of Supercross here at Angels Stadium brought to you by Ozempic!” 😂

tmx860 wrote:

Just wait for the bent carrot sponsorship 

🤣🤣

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I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because...

I used to drink a can a day in the morning (I do not like coffee).  I preferred sugar free Redbull, but would drink Rockstar because they were more convenient by the case where I would buy them.  I did this for probably 5 years and I began to have prostate problems which at the time, we had no idea what was causing it.  I know there is only a handful of guys here that have ever had prostatis or know what prostate pain feels like (and the bathroom frequency), but it radiates to other parts of your body like your back, your abdomen, nuts, all around, pain in places you didn't even know could hurt, it makes you wonder if you are dying from the inside out where you do not want to start the dying LOL.  I spent way too much time and money with doctor visits and tests, taking awful antibiotics for months with no results.   I finally started doing my own research and found that concentrated amounts of caffeine or alcohol can harm your prostate.  I decided to cut out energy drinks and felt miraculously better within a few weeks, I was shocked and obviously pleased at the same time.

I know most people do not have problems with energy drinks, and I think there may be a certain amount of people that may be having problems and do not realize the source.  I used to love the wake-up I would get from an energy drink, but I can say with 100% certainty, they are awful for you.  I kind of see them like a cigarette - 100 years ago we had no idea what health issues they were going to cause, and fast forward to today, we have learned a lot and know the risks. There is a lot of shit in energy drinks, I think there will be a lot to learn.

sam hain wrote:
I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having...

I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having diarrhea randomly in between the 1-2 I consumed. When I stopped drinking them my digestive issues also stopped. I haven't had one in over a year now. 

mxracer666 wrote:

1 - 2 a WEEK?  I would hardly call that addicted...

I drank somewhere around 125 of them in that year, to me it was addicted. Equivalent to over 8 gallons of red bull. Regardless of what you consider addicted they caused me enough digestive issues I stopped drinking them.

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for...

No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

I had zero idea monster sponsored GNCC. I knew they sponsored a couple riders, but didn’t think they were affiliated with GNCC

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sam hain wrote:
I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having...

I used to be addicted to the blueberry redbull's, drank 1-2 a week like clockwork for almost a year. About 8 months in I started having diarrhea randomly in between the 1-2 I consumed. When I stopped drinking them my digestive issues also stopped. I haven't had one in over a year now. 

mxracer666 wrote:

1 - 2 a WEEK?  I would hardly call that addicted...

sam hain wrote:
I drank somewhere around 125 of them in that year, to me it was addicted. Equivalent to over 8 gallons of red bull. Regardless of what...

I drank somewhere around 125 of them in that year, to me it was addicted. Equivalent to over 8 gallons of red bull. Regardless of what you consider addicted they caused me enough digestive issues I stopped drinking them.

My father has diverticulitis, an issue mostly seen in older folks. He used to drink energy drinks like he should have been drinking water. His GI told him that he had seen a dramatic increase of this disease in young people 20-25 in the last 10 years, he attributed it to the popularity of every drinks. Not saying I have irrefutable proof this is what is happening, I am just stating what my Fathers GI told him. 

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JazzyJJ wrote:

Nicotine is actually good for cognitive health, it's the smoking that's bad for you.

truck wrote:
Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per...

Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. 

Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per can for these energy drinks. Couple hundred a month to stay caffeinated is insane.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Wrong

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/#:~:text=CONCLUSIONS-,….

Preclinical models and human studies have demonstrated that nicotine has cognitive-enhancing effects, including improvement of fine motor functions, attention, working memory, and episodic memory. 

Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary artery disease, kidney failure, impotence, foot amputation, etc to me. 

 

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truck wrote:
Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per...

Nicotine on the whole is terrible for you. Terrible for cardiovascular system. 

Health issues aside, it's always been mind boggling to me that people pay $3-4 per can for these energy drinks. Couple hundred a month to stay caffeinated is insane.

JazzyJJ wrote:

Wrong

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/#:~:text=CONCLUSIONS-,….

Preclinical models and human studies have demonstrated that nicotine has cognitive-enhancing effects, including improvement of fine motor functions, attention, working memory, and episodic memory. 

truck wrote:
Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary...

Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary artery disease, kidney failure, impotence, foot amputation, etc to me. 

 

Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. 

Nicotine as a major component of addiction in cigarettes has been reported to play protective roles in some pathological processes. It is reported that activation of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor also has a cardioprotective effect. 

and

However, studies have found that the main components of cigarettes that causes cancer and cardiovascular disease are oxidizing chemicals and toxic organic chemicals [9,10].

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X19322120….

 

Many studies have investigated the relationship between smoking and increased cardiovascular risk, but few investigate nicotine and cardiovascular risk in humans.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7308884/#:~:text=Nicotine%20pr…).

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Spoonguy wrote:
I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on...

I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on the MX/SX team and most sponsors refused. Many, many people associate dirt bikes and riding with back flippers, heinous injuries, negative environmental impacts, and intrusive noise. There can be no denying that. As a sport we have had literally decades to address these issues and have done virtually nothing, even going backwards in some respects. How many moms want junior to ride after watching countless riders not finish a season racing or splattering themselves to bits in a "freestyle" competition, people bitch about noise - we buy and ride four strokes, heavier bikes, more aggressive tires, disc brakes, more HP/torque - add to trail impact. People have been bitching about off road motorcycling and their negative impact for decades and instead of addressing people's very real concerns, we label the concerned as assholes or unreasonable. Meanwhile, quads, UTVs, snowmobiles, and horse enthusiast unite and address concerns and have the trails/riding areas to show for it. Down vote all you want, the biggest enemy to our sport is us, our pro racing is hard to get sponsorship because of the image we all project.

So you're saying that the 4 stroke UTVs & Quads don't have a negative impact. Do you realize how many drunk hill billies are out trail...

So you're saying that the 4 stroke UTVs & Quads don't have a negative impact. Do you realize how many drunk hill billies are out trail riding in 1000cc turbo machines destroying trails and land. They are 4 stroke motors, loud, disc brakes, 4 wheels vs 2, more HP/Torque. I just don't understand your statement implying dirtbikes do more harm then these dumb machines.

I would bet there is more death's on ATVs and UTVs per year.

You prove my point. I point out people's genuine negative association and dirt bike riders will not acknowledge it. I ride motorcycle trails that quads and UTVs have now destroyed, I know your point is true. But the fucking point is public perception, not fellow motorcyclists perception. I worked with my state's DCNR to further the state's public land access for dirt bikes and people like you and your kind are the reason dirt bikes are taboo to so many. Your kind doesn't give a shit about public concern of our sport's impact, you point fingers at enthusiasts of other sports who work on their image better but perhaps are worse violaters. Dirt bikers have to heal our own societal wounds not point fingers at other groups who can handle the public narrative better.

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Spoonguy wrote:
I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on...

I have heard Phil Nicholetti state multiple times that when he raced for JGR's MX team, JGR would offer their NASCAR sponsor partners free signage on the MX/SX team and most sponsors refused. Many, many people associate dirt bikes and riding with back flippers, heinous injuries, negative environmental impacts, and intrusive noise. There can be no denying that. As a sport we have had literally decades to address these issues and have done virtually nothing, even going backwards in some respects. How many moms want junior to ride after watching countless riders not finish a season racing or splattering themselves to bits in a "freestyle" competition, people bitch about noise - we buy and ride four strokes, heavier bikes, more aggressive tires, disc brakes, more HP/torque - add to trail impact. People have been bitching about off road motorcycling and their negative impact for decades and instead of addressing people's very real concerns, we label the concerned as assholes or unreasonable. Meanwhile, quads, UTVs, snowmobiles, and horse enthusiast unite and address concerns and have the trails/riding areas to show for it. Down vote all you want, the biggest enemy to our sport is us, our pro racing is hard to get sponsorship because of the image we all project.

jt $ wrote:
So pro sponsorship is difficult to attain at the highest levels because of disc brakes and subsequent trail impact? Just trying to draw a direct line...

So pro sponsorship is difficult to attain at the highest levels because of disc brakes and subsequent trail impact? Just trying to draw a direct line here. I would counter point that "outsiders" that are controlling budgets have looked at past engagement numbers and decided it wasn't a worthwhile spend. That's been an ongoing challenge that is being worked on daily from what I see. Decision makers want eyeballs, TAM, and growth metrics. I don't think many corporate marketing managers are factoring in trail impact to their SX/MX/SMX decisions. 

Having said that, doing as much as possible to keep riding lands open benefits everyone. I think that's one of the coolest aspects of the Stark is that you could ride it in your backyard without anyone being the wiser. 

I have been riding national forest land for 45 years, so I am familiar with pre-disc brakes trail systems. So yes, disc brakes affect trails and riding styles on the trails, it is noticeable. I did not state I thought it was a problem, I stated it was a public perception.

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GNCC is a great series and with a good marketing team it will find a new sponsor. Maybe an unknown player such as GearX or due...

GNCC is a great series and with a good marketing team it will find a new sponsor. Maybe an unknown player such as GearX or due to the "small" budget that is needed a motorsport loving firm such as Camping World, Bass Pro Shop, ... 

The Energy Drink market isn't "done", by the way there are now just more players beside the giants Monster and Red Bull you've a bunch of smaller ones from Rockstar Energy, Celcius, Black Rifle (coffee in a tin can?) to Alani Nu and Prime! And if the pie doesn't get any bigger at the moment but there are more guests who all want a share. Than sometimes action is needed and they decide to back off, exit their core sports and enter other sports of projects to get a bigger piece of the pie or enlarge the pie. Just look at Red Bull that is now in cycling a sport that they in the past would've laughed about because the demographic of people watching, wasn't their target audience. That shows that they are also trying to enlarge the pie.

Soft-Drinks-Mountain-Dew-Kickstart-Pine-Orange-Mango-16-Fl-Oz-Pack-Of-12 d3b76337-1308-4100-9188-cfc9b198ce73.c1a822eb1ec5ccb554c15fef614b93e1.jpeg?VersionId=DmbGMcGZXbLW6bpqvfcbuXMBjqt

Mtn Dew "Kickstart", if I was 7 years old I would say that is meant-to-be.

tmx860 wrote:

I wonder why there aren't more outdoor or camping sponsors in moto or off-road 

Because there just isn’t very much return for any sponsor sponsoring moto. That’s why some jump in for a few years but leave after realizing that.


The teams and riders themselves don’t normally do a lot for sponsors. (There are exceptions to that statement)

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JazzyJJ wrote:

Wrong

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6018192/#:~:text=CONCLUSIONS-,….

Preclinical models and human studies have demonstrated that nicotine has cognitive-enhancing effects, including improvement of fine motor functions, attention, working memory, and episodic memory. 

truck wrote:
Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary...

Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary artery disease, kidney failure, impotence, foot amputation, etc to me. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. Nicotine as a major component...

Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. 

Nicotine as a major component of addiction in cigarettes has been reported to play protective roles in some pathological processes. It is reported that activation of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor also has a cardioprotective effect. 

and

However, studies have found that the main components of cigarettes that causes cancer and cardiovascular disease are oxidizing chemicals and toxic organic chemicals [9,10].

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X19322120….

 

Many studies have investigated the relationship between smoking and increased cardiovascular risk, but few investigate nicotine and cardiovascular risk in humans.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7308884/#:~:text=Nicotine%20pr…).

Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be coming from the people still getting rich off of it?

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors activated as part of normal body function are responding to acetylcholine, not nicotine. Nicotine does not occur naturally in the human body and the only reason the name is given to the receptor is because of the history of the research involved with it.  Activating these receptors to an extreme with a different substance doesn't produce the same results as activating them with naturally occurring substances. Making this argument would be similar to arguing that heroin is good for you because the receptors that it hits have some benefit in normal human functioning. True, but irrelevant. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/

"Nicotine adversely affects many organs as shown in human and animal studies. Its biological effects are widespread and extend to all systems of the body including cardiovascular, respiratory, renal and reproductive systems. Nicotine has also been found to be carcinogenic in several studies. It promotes tumorigenesis by affecting cell proliferation, angiogenesis and apoptotic pathways."

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truck wrote:
Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary...

Now do the cardiovascular system and think about what on the whole means. Tiny but measurable temporary gains on some neuro tests isn't worth the coronary artery disease, kidney failure, impotence, foot amputation, etc to me. 

 

JazzyJJ wrote:
Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. Nicotine as a major component...

Remove smoking from the equation and it's not as black and white as you make it seem. Sorry, you're just wrong here. 

Nicotine as a major component of addiction in cigarettes has been reported to play protective roles in some pathological processes. It is reported that activation of the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor also has a cardioprotective effect. 

and

However, studies have found that the main components of cigarettes that causes cancer and cardiovascular disease are oxidizing chemicals and toxic organic chemicals [9,10].

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0006291X19322120….

 

Many studies have investigated the relationship between smoking and increased cardiovascular risk, but few investigate nicotine and cardiovascular risk in humans.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7308884/#:~:text=Nicotine%20pr…).

truck wrote:
Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be...

Just stop..... tell me you're addicted to Zyn without telling me..... you think maybe some of this nonsense about nicotine being good for you might be coming from the people still getting rich off of it?

Nicotinic acetylcholine receptors activated as part of normal body function are responding to acetylcholine, not nicotine. Nicotine does not occur naturally in the human body and the only reason the name is given to the receptor is because of the history of the research involved with it.  Activating these receptors to an extreme with a different substance doesn't produce the same results as activating them with naturally occurring substances. Making this argument would be similar to arguing that heroin is good for you because the receptors that it hits have some benefit in normal human functioning. True, but irrelevant. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4363846/

"Nicotine adversely affects many organs as shown in human and animal studies. Its biological effects are widespread and extend to all systems of the body including cardiovascular, respiratory, renal and reproductive systems. Nicotine has also been found to be carcinogenic in several studies. It promotes tumorigenesis by affecting cell proliferation, angiogenesis and apoptotic pathways."

I've never used a zyn in my life and have smoked single digit cigarettes, nice try. 

What you posted is a meta study that takes results based largely on smoking, which we can all agree is horrible for you regardless of what you're smoking. Recent research on low dose usage points to what I posted above and the benefits that can be observed. 

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for...

No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers.  I bet it's not even close honestly.  They get over a thousand racers at every round I think.

They also have pretty good Live coverage on their YouTube Channel and do get coverage from a lot of moto media outlets.

It's not like it's some complete unknown series that gets no attention.

Kind of off topic but I'm actually a believer that companies within moto should be pouring more money into sponsoring GNCC and other off road series because the folks there are the ones who actually buy parts and gear and bikes and tires etc. etc.  Compare that to the crowd going to a Pro Motocross or Supercross race and probably 50% of them ain't gonna spend shit within the actual industry, especially Supercross attendees.

So this begs the question since we've got JT$s attention, why don't companies like Fly/Western Powersports spend more money on these off road racers & series' that are actually the ones buying their shit?

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The worlds economy isn't in the greatest shape right now. Big companies don't stay big by not knowing when to pull some chips off the board. KTM seems like it is about to go through this as well. Things are tightening back up.

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for...

No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

LungButter wrote:
You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers...

You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers.  I bet it's not even close honestly.  They get over a thousand racers at every round I think.

They also have pretty good Live coverage on their YouTube Channel and do get coverage from a lot of moto media outlets.

It's not like it's some complete unknown series that gets no attention.

Kind of off topic but I'm actually a believer that companies within moto should be pouring more money into sponsoring GNCC and other off road series because the folks there are the ones who actually buy parts and gear and bikes and tires etc. etc.  Compare that to the crowd going to a Pro Motocross or Supercross race and probably 50% of them ain't gonna spend shit within the actual industry, especially Supercross attendees.

So this begs the question since we've got JT$s attention, why don't companies like Fly/Western Powersports spend more money on these off road racers & series' that are actually the ones buying their shit?

Good points, and I think moto could learn a thing or two form cycling in that regard. Moto wants to be an entertainment sport, cycling has made it into more of a participation model which seems to work well

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No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for...

No TV coverage combined with very little media coverage for the sport (notice there is no Vitaloffroad.com or GNCC Action magazine) = very little ROI for Monster.  I'm big fan of all forms of motorcycle racing, and I gotta admit, I wasn't aware of Monster's sponsorship of GNCC.

LungButter wrote:
You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers...

You're not completely wrong but.... GNCC is also the biggest off road series and maybe even race series in the world as far as participation numbers.  I bet it's not even close honestly.  They get over a thousand racers at every round I think.

They also have pretty good Live coverage on their YouTube Channel and do get coverage from a lot of moto media outlets.

It's not like it's some complete unknown series that gets no attention.

Kind of off topic but I'm actually a believer that companies within moto should be pouring more money into sponsoring GNCC and other off road series because the folks there are the ones who actually buy parts and gear and bikes and tires etc. etc.  Compare that to the crowd going to a Pro Motocross or Supercross race and probably 50% of them ain't gonna spend shit within the actual industry, especially Supercross attendees.

So this begs the question since we've got JT$s attention, why don't companies like Fly/Western Powersports spend more money on these off road racers & series' that are actually the ones buying their shit?

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

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Events with geographically-dispersed participants face broadcasting challenges, and a canopy of trees adds to the complexity.  Monster likely understood the risks before getting involved, and we should thank them for making an attempt to broaden GNCC’s audience. 

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JazzyJJ wrote:

Nicotine is actually good for cognitive health, it's the smoking that's bad for you.

Lol, nicotine is a helluva drug. It’s so over the top addicting, even smart people think it’s okay.

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I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get...

I might be able to answer part of this because we've attempted GNCC and other off-road coverage in the past. It just straight up doesn't get the eyeballs on it that SX/MX coverage does. Even though the majority of people that visit this website race off-road more than moto for their personal preferences, they don't care to watch it or digest it in such a committed way.

I have a theory for this. 99.999% of us here will never ride a Supercross track, SX is a spectacle and the only thing you can really do is watch it, talk about it, analyze it, etc. And it's in a format that easy to follow while you're at the event or watching from home. It's digestible and easy to view. Pro Motocross to a lesser nature, considering we all do it, but the vast majority of us will never race the national layout of the tracks. There's a certain separation that makes it interesting.

Off-road events like GNCC are more participation based than viewership based. Any of us can wander up, race the AM race, and be on the same track and in the same conditions as these guys. Don't get me wrong, a Stu Baylor, Johnny Girroird, etc are insanely gnarly, but I think being able to compete alongside them in a sense lessens the effect they have on fans. They're popular, don't get me wrong, but they don't create the draw the top SX, MX, and MXGP racers do.

Lastly, you can go do it. Most fans that are interested in GNCC can go race it, so there's less likely hood they're going to go back and watch it. On top of that, it's a very hard style of racing to follow from a viewership standpoint. The events are blast to go to and particiapte in, hang out with your buddies, and view. To sit at home and watch though? Not really.

Any content we do around these forms of off-road racing are a tenth of the views we get from SX, MX, and MXGP. And it costs just as much to produce.

Did Vitalmx do anything special or take the same stale offroad racing content and try to introduce it to a larger audience?

 Part of the problem is the length of the race and the distance of the course, so it makes it logistically a great challenge to document.  

However, getting cameras into the interesting sections instead of just the fields would be a good start. 
Could also be interesting to use a graphic with time gaps or map to help visualize the race even when riders are not in the same shot.
Also on bike cameras for the pro riders could give some nice footage as prove by the Nat. Enduro series.

I just pulled these out of my ass. I'm sure some professionals could come up with really good ideas.

 

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Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting?    Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle...

Maybe Monster is pulling out because the GNCC crowd has transcended the image they are targeting? 
   Quad numbers are down, no more SxS racing, started e-bicycle racing, now they are banning pitbikes................  
 

Let's join hands and pray that the ATV numbers continue to fall.

Can you imagine SX or Pro MX racing the day after ATV's ruined the track?

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