Mathes thinks Deegan is bowing out of MXON Team USA

7/25/2024 7:59am

it always seems that the US team is poorly organized, they pick a team at the last min, riders and crews are all from different factory teams, logistics and funding is up in the air, and they have just a few days to pick a team and organize all this.  Other countries seem to pick their teams way in advance so they have more time to organize.  

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7/25/2024 8:02am

Who picks the team, Roger ?

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kxking wrote:

Who picks the team, Roger ?

It's a committee that picks the team

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7/25/2024 8:18am

So everyone is saying 1-2 weeks to heal? So that is going to stop him from being in shape and prepared for A1? Months later? And this is one of the fittest guys in the class? Bullshit.

Put the flag down if you don't wanna do the Nations. Captain America my ass.

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7/25/2024 8:19am
joshd wrote:

Steve takes every chance he can to take a dig at Deegan. 

lol just the opposite, he soft balls everything Yamaha

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7/25/2024 8:19am

Most of the riders today are self absorbed pricks that have been treated like kings since they were on 50's. They don't see any benefit in racing a one off race for no pay. They gladly take there money they make here in the states and kiss babies at the races but when it comes to doing something to benefit the fans who buy the merch and gear the sponsors pay their salaries with they don't have time for that. A select few like AP and Chase I don't put in this category, but the majority are only out for themselves and what benefits them financially. The days of RC/RV and the likes going over and kicking ass are gone sadly. 

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7/25/2024 8:26am

We should send Profesh on his CR125

And he’d probably be more than proud to go. Jokes aside, I’d rather send guys who appreciate and want the opportunity to go and represent their country. Imagine a country full of Aaron Plessingers. Fun, laid back, patriotic, drama free etc. That’s the kind of person I wanna send. 

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7/25/2024 8:37am

Maybe MXGP needs to reconsider some aspects of the MXoN if they want it to continue to be successful. There is something about national pride, but at the same time riders don't get a bunch of breaks and if they (or their team) are paying their own money, with the chance of injury you can see why some riders wouldn't want to go. 

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7/25/2024 8:40am
joshd wrote:

Steve takes every chance he can to take a dig at Deegan. 

TAUTOG wrote:

lol just the opposite, he soft balls everything Yamaha

From your last two posts, you are a ray of sunshine. 

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7/25/2024 8:42am Edited Date/Time 7/25/2024 8:51am
Tumic wrote:
@ ML512 Do we have any actuall proof of American Kawi don’t supporting the MXDN? Or is it just a cover up they did in the...

@ ML512 Do we have any actuall proof of American Kawi don’t supporting the MXDN? Or is it just a cover up they did in the Tomac years the same way Star took the bullet for Danger Boy last year?.

Fans always bring up that American Kawasaki won’t support it but they did support it the last time Tomac wanted to race it. 

It’s pretty obvious Tomac was just the scapegoat for Kawasaki to not go

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7/25/2024 9:20am

I dont blame hI'm for not wacting to do Mdon't, bUT then dont go around waging the flag lIke a patriot. Yover sacrificed nothing.

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7/25/2024 9:32am
kage173 wrote:

I dont blame hI'm for not wacting to do Mdon't, bUT then dont go around waging the flag lIke a patriot. Yover sacrificed nothing.

So you can only wave the flag if you've sacrificed something?

Got it.

 

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7/25/2024 9:33am

Kawi won’t support it, I think our only option for 250 is Hymas.

Kawi might not, but Mitch absolutely will.  

Yes mitch will but mitch can’t send anyone is kawi can’t/wont support it.

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7/25/2024 9:36am
mx 219 wrote:
Maybe MXGP needs to reconsider some aspects of the MXoN if they want it to continue to be successful. There is something about national pride, but...

Maybe MXGP needs to reconsider some aspects of the MXoN if they want it to continue to be successful. There is something about national pride, but at the same time riders don't get a bunch of breaks and if they (or their team) are paying their own money, with the chance of injury you can see why some riders wouldn't want to go. 

Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need to reconsider some aspects" of the MXoN. Sounds like the tail wanting to wag the dog.

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7/25/2024 9:44am
Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need...

Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need to reconsider some aspects" of the MXoN. Sounds like the tail wanting to wag the dog.

Or people need to just accept that US riders don't really care as much anymore.

Not saying that's right or wrong but it seems to be reality.

The other thing nobody considers is that the staff that helps these riders is already on the road 30+ weekends a year too, maybe they don't want to go either?

 

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7/25/2024 9:58am

I don't really care who they send. As long as they give their best effort.

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7/25/2024 10:20am
mx 219 wrote:
Maybe MXGP needs to reconsider some aspects of the MXoN if they want it to continue to be successful. There is something about national pride, but...

Maybe MXGP needs to reconsider some aspects of the MXoN if they want it to continue to be successful. There is something about national pride, but at the same time riders don't get a bunch of breaks and if they (or their team) are paying their own money, with the chance of injury you can see why some riders wouldn't want to go. 

So tell me how MXDN is not successful? 

When was the last time it was not packed?  When numerous countries never went?  Numerous riders declining to go that had an impact on attendance?  Just ask JT$ what he thinks as he usually co- commentates.

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7/25/2024 10:22am
MxAddic wrote:

I don't really care who they send. As long as they give their best effort.

Last years team was bare minimum, as long as we don’t send that team again, we are fine. Christian was coming back from an injury, rj too i think.

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7/25/2024 10:23am

It isn't about money. For a kid like Deegan with a media "brand," racing the MXDN is a no-brainer. They can use that as a huge publicity endeavor for the YouTube channel and he'll garner international fans from his appearance. In other words, he'll earn money indirectly from the race. 

If he elects to not go, it is either because he is thinking about his long-term health or because he simply doesn't want to represent.

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7/25/2024 10:23am
tomm55x wrote:

Don't go around bragging about how American you are then puss out when its time to represent your country. That is weak AF.  

Some of you act like Deegan needs your permission or blessing to hold an American flag on the podium. It's a perfectly legitimate reason to skip an event to have plates in his wrist removed and to heal properly for the upcoming 2025 season. 

That may offend your patriotic ssensibilities, but Deegan should not have to risk his career for your ssensibilities or opinions on the matter. 

He's said he'd love to go, he wants to prove himself, but it's early in his career, so if going to the MXoN has to wait, then so be it. He will have future opportunities. 

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7/25/2024 10:27am

i'm naive about the inner workings of things about this race...but it's been said there is "no pay for the MXON".

Ok, but wouldn't the sponsors be paying the riders? For example, in the CR22 photo above, you're telling me Progressive paid nothing to have their logo publicized in front of a crowd like that (and on TV) without paying a nickel to the rider?

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7/25/2024 10:30am
Falcon wrote:
It isn't about money. For a kid like Deegan with a media "brand," racing the MXDN is a no-brainer. They can use that as a huge...

It isn't about money. For a kid like Deegan with a media "brand," racing the MXDN is a no-brainer. They can use that as a huge publicity endeavor for the YouTube channel and he'll garner international fans from his appearance. In other words, he'll earn money indirectly from the race. 

If he elects to not go, it is either because he is thinking about his long-term health or because he simply doesn't want to represent.

My thoughts exactly, but also I feel like he should have a need to go to represent the country when he’s waving the flag here. I’m fine with flag waving but if you don’t want to represent your country anywhere in the world except on your home turf(i’m guessing he’s going next year bar injury) then I have a bit of a problem with that.

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7/25/2024 10:35am

I'm blown away how many people think you need to travel the world and race a race that your not contracted to do just so you can wave a flag.

It's like you're super proud to have freedom but are pissed that someone else has the freedom to do what they want.

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LungButter wrote:
I'm blown away how many people think you need to travel the world and race a race that your not contracted to do just so you...

I'm blown away how many people think you need to travel the world and race a race that your not contracted to do just so you can wave a flag.

It's like you're super proud to have freedom but are pissed that someone else has the freedom to do what they want.

Right. Haiden has every right to wave the flag. First Amendment ftw. 

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kage173 wrote:

I dont blame hI'm for not wacting to do Mdon't, bUT then dont go around waging the flag lIke a patriot. Yover sacrificed nothing.

LungButter wrote:

So you can only wave the flag if you've sacrificed something?

Got it.

 

If youre benefitting from the flag for branding, subsribers and $, but then you refuse to make a small sacrifice...then yes pUT the flag down.

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7/25/2024 11:28am

Hope he says yes. 

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7/25/2024 11:32am
kage173 wrote:

I dont blame hI'm for not wacting to do Mdon't, bUT then dont go around waging the flag lIke a patriot. Yover sacrificed nothing.

LungButter wrote:

So you can only wave the flag if you've sacrificed something?

Got it.

 

kage173 wrote:

If youre benefitting from the flag for branding, subsribers and $, but then you refuse to make a small sacrifice...then yes pUT the flag down.

Everything about that family is manufactured to maximize social media clicks and ad revenue

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7/25/2024 11:32am
Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need...

Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need to reconsider some aspects" of the MXoN. Sounds like the tail wanting to wag the dog.

LungButter wrote:
Or people need to just accept that US riders don't really care as much anymore.Not saying that's right or wrong but it seems to be reality.The...

Or people need to just accept that US riders don't really care as much anymore.

Not saying that's right or wrong but it seems to be reality.

The other thing nobody considers is that the staff that helps these riders is already on the road 30+ weekends a year too, maybe they don't want to go either?

 

Don't think anything has changed, always been top level riders who declined to go for one reason or other. 

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7/25/2024 11:35am
Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need...

Every other country makes it to the race, along with tens of thousands of fans from around the world. Maybe it's the US riders who "need to reconsider some aspects" of the MXoN. Sounds like the tail wanting to wag the dog.

LungButter wrote:
Or people need to just accept that US riders don't really care as much anymore.Not saying that's right or wrong but it seems to be reality.The...

Or people need to just accept that US riders don't really care as much anymore.

Not saying that's right or wrong but it seems to be reality.

The other thing nobody considers is that the staff that helps these riders is already on the road 30+ weekends a year too, maybe they don't want to go either?

 

In that case, people need to accept that throwing in the towel and making excuses just as their winning streak came to an end, (apart from sudden blips of enthusiasm when it's on home soil), just looks like taking your ball home when it's not going your way. It's not a great look..

And I say that as a long-time MX fan who feels the race needs team USA there and will support any US riders who commit to a race the rest of the world seems to manage to pull together for.

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7/25/2024 11:47am
h20 wrote:
Pshh talk about pressure to compete.  Seems Haiden is catching all sorts of BS.  https://youtube.com/shorts/_2AaiIzZd0E?si=A5B66vLvfiAhRpP-Do you believe Deegan should race Team USA this year or next...

Pshh talk about pressure to compete.  Seems Haiden is catching all sorts of BS.  

https://youtube.com/shorts/_2AaiIzZd0E?si=A5B66vLvfiAhRpP-

Do you believe Deegan should race Team USA this year or next year when it’s in America?


 

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