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Exactly.....and Alex Martin when asked on Pulp gave a great explanation of how it works for the track owner, what they are responsible for, and how successful it can be if they handle it right.
Sounds to me like the Coombs family made a back room deal with the Frances. Instead of the Coombs representing the NPG, they saw an opportunity to basically steal the series from all of the promoters, and force their hand. Good thing for Bud, he don’t count on one race to make his living for the year.
Get your facts straight DMG out bid NPG and MXSports for the rights to Pro Motocross and all other AMA pro racing series and then only wanted to deal with one entity when leasing the rights to the series and they had a prior relationship with big Dave...nobody screwed anybody....and after watching that if you were the France family would you want to deal with Bud?
Again nobody else is unhappy....
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Hey! It’s Mr Misinfo! Welcome back, bud…
Bye Bud. How about two rounds at Millville.
Because the other promoters count on their one national to carry them all year fiscally, they can’t bite the hand that feeds them, Bud don’t have that problem. Therefore he tells them to pound sand.
and someone else accepts the deal with glee and runs a national in socal,
yet Bud still whinges that he deserves a national because his track is special,
Did you even watch the interview?
Yes, I did
FIM looked at attendance for the MX GPs there aND felt lIke it wouldn't attract enough of a crowd.Which is wild
I don’t think it’s special, and it doesn’t help it’s in a shit hole in the arm pit of California . Maybe the absolute worst part of California
But I do agree there are some sick picks of Windham and Grant. Maybe some of the sickest moto picks ever.
And you think after that the other 11 are not happy and are afraid to speak because you think their one national carries them financially for the whole year....but yet 15 years later they are still going strong...wouldn't you think they would all get together if it were so bad and make changes? Or do you think they are ok with MXSports making money and them making money...A Mart was seemed very happy when asked on the pulp show...but of course according to you that was out of fear...
How many tickets are “un reasonable” to Bud? Let’s say Davey wanted 500 tickets and face value is $100 that’s $50k he asking Bud to give up. Bud says if Davey gives in on that he’d throw $100K in the purse. That’s not good math as he’d be giving away an additional $50k. Can’t believe this whole debacle is over free tickets/passes. Weird! from both sides to me, especially Bud. I don’t want to give away 50k but I’ll give away 100k. Again, weird!
I’m pretty sure the point was that if Bud was giving up money he’d rather give it to the racers over MX Sports and it was more than 50k.
Understood but in the grand scheme of things I would like to believe that Davey is being strategically political with the free ticktets/passes he is asking for. I.e. current sponsors and potential future sponsors and not “hooking up” every friend and family member from West Virginia wanting to go on a “Cali” vacation with the bonus free ride to the best National on the circuit.
On Fallout #2, in 2018, Davey said that a 5 year contract didn't make sense because they only had a 3 year contract for the MX series.
I'm not sure how to structure a 5 year deal on something you only have the right to for 3 years.
@GlenHelen Are you able to address these concerns? It seems that compromise on these issues (on both sides) could solve the problem.
#MakeGlenHelenANationalAgain!!
I don’t care for Bud’s character.
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Man, probably just shouldn't have done that interview. @Glen Helen
My families land borders a former national track. The Coombs gave my family, and as far as I'm aware all of the neighbors who wanted to attend free tickets, and not just a couple, they took care of us. We also got free pit passes until the AMA took control of them, from what I understand. This is where a significant portion of the "Free Tickets" likely still goes. I believe it was mainly to keep the locals happy. These are mainly tiny towns. Traffic and the roadways are a nightmare for the weekend, as well as many other inconveniences (noise, drunks, fireworks, etc.). Things like these are often overlooked. You keep the neighbors happy and they aren't at the city council meeting trying to get rid of the race.
This happens at washougal.
I think the difference is Glen Helen doesn't need MX sports to turn a profit. I would think the other tracks would like to be able to say that.
I’m not math genius but obv DC expects more than 100k of tickets…..
To me it sounds like Bud would rather pay the 50k to the guys racing dirt bikes instead of the promoter.
Bud willing to put up an extra 100k but not willing to budge on the tickets says it all really. Gypsy negotiating like the negators from wedding crashers i thought he did a good job
So what is the truth from your side?
What are your requirements from your POV that neither you or Coombes are not prepared to budge on?
Pretty sure Millville and Red Bud do pretty well on non national weekends (not that they would want to give up what they got going on for the national)
From A Marts pulp interview. It sounded like they need the amateur racing to make it work out money wise. That sounds like a whole lot of extra work when the pro race is what everyone shows up for.
If we didn’t have to watch a national at Pala I don’t think we’d care so much about Glen Helen.
They are literally a MX track that has races throughout the season. The one pro race by itself without camping and only having the gate tickets is what he said would be tough. He said you have to be smart running the weekend and maximize the opportunity with the amateur race, camping,and other revenue streams to make it awesome for them and fans. I have numerous friends that have gone to Millville Wednesday- Sunday and it's an amazing moto weekend to ride, race, and be there for the National. Sounds to me they are running a business and not looking to avoid "extra work".
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