Chevron was just nullified. Thus, the EPA may not be able to keep 2 strokes from being manufactured in the US any longer for offroad use.

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Just as the title states. Chevron deference is how the EPA has been able to push it's green agenda for years.  Especially bad for offroad manufacturing.  Sure cars, trucks, road motorcycles etc would fall under the clean air act etc.  but the 2 strokes that are being used for closed coarse racing have been affected as well up until now.  I believe we may see an end to that.  Time will tell.  Long live the 2 stroke!

 

Not to mention it will be good for our 2nd Amendment as well.  

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Link to an article ??

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500 Mike wrote:

Link to an article ??

I follow the Supreme Court because of a case I'm litigating currently.  This is all over youtube on news networks.  Type in Chevron Supreme Court on youtube and you'll see all kinds of videos.  Or you can go to the Supreme Court docket and download it.  It basically says govt agencies can't make up their own rules and regs.  Congress has to, and the courts have to hear arguments of said rules those agencies want, to see if they fall within congresses laws.

 

https://www.scotusblog.com/

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What nerd is downvoting these posts lol

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From what I understand this is very good for limiting big government. 

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PRM31 wrote:

From what I understand this is very good for limiting big government. 

Any time we can limit big government is a win!!

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OwenJakes wrote:

What nerd is downvoting these posts lol

Perhaps any fans of WEF and similar organizations, political parties, or similar such ideologues? 

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Thank the lard! Seriously, this ruling may have massive consequences for unelected bureaucrats everywhere. They can no longer make “laws” by themselves. 

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A question I have, all of these companies in the automotive world that have been fined by the epa, can they now sue the epa?

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slowgti wrote:

A question I have, all of these companies in the automotive world that have been fined by the epa, can they now sue the epa?

I think they always could but now their chances of winning go up. 

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slowgti wrote:

A question I have, all of these companies in the automotive world that have been fined by the epa, can they now sue the epa?

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and if there is a clear reason to re look at case. 

 

"By doing so, however, we do not call into question prior

cases that relied on the Chevron framework. The holdings

of those cases that specific agency actions are lawful—in-

cluding the Clean Air Act holding of Chevron itself—are

still subject to statutory stare decisis despite our change in

interpretive methodology. See CBOCS West, Inc. v. Hum-

phries, 553 U. S. 442, 457 (2008). Mere reliance on Chevron

cannot constitute a “‘special justification’” for overruling

such a holding, because to say a precedent relied on Chev-

ron is, at best, “just an argument that the precedent was

wrongly decided.” Halliburton Co. v. Erica P. John Fund,"

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Who is going to manufacture 2 strokes in the US?

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Who is going to manufacture 2 strokes in the US?

Cannondale

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Who is going to manufacture 2 strokes in the US?

Cobra 

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Who is going to manufacture 2 strokes in the US?

RichieW13 wrote:

Cannondale

Sweet!

Been waiting for one of those for like, oh, ...forever!

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Bring back steel-framed 2 strokes

And BIG blocks

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Bring back steel-framed 2 strokes And BIG blocks

Bring back steel-framed 2 strokes

And BIG blocks

You know they still make steel framed 2 strokes, right?

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Oh great! How much does a CR125, KX125, or RM125 cost? I'm very interested! tia

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Ruth Ginsburg, thank you for not retiring when Obama wanted you to.

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Ruth Ginsburg, thank you for not retiring when Obama wanted you to.

Seems she was an originalist. Lifetime appointment there

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slowgti wrote:

A question I have, all of these companies in the automotive world that have been fined by the epa, can they now sue the epa?

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and...

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and if there is a clear reason to re look at case. 

 

"By doing so, however, we do not call into question prior

cases that relied on the Chevron framework. The holdings

of those cases that specific agency actions are lawful—in-

cluding the Clean Air Act holding of Chevron itself—are

still subject to statutory stare decisis despite our change in

interpretive methodology. See CBOCS West, Inc. v. Hum-

phries, 553 U. S. 442, 457 (2008). Mere reliance on Chevron

cannot constitute a “‘special justification’” for overruling

such a holding, because to say a precedent relied on Chev-

ron is, at best, “just an argument that the precedent was

wrongly decided.” Halliburton Co. v. Erica P. John Fund,"

Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install performance parts? I understand California is different, but what about the rest of the states ?

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2-strokes are still being sold in the USA now, so I don’t think this will have the Japanese manufacturers racing to produce a new 2-stroke. I’ll just ride my 73 CR250M and my 2023 CRF450R and enjoy both.

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6/28/2024 4:52pm Edited Date/Time 6/28/2024 5:21pm
slowgti wrote:

A question I have, all of these companies in the automotive world that have been fined by the epa, can they now sue the epa?

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and...

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and if there is a clear reason to re look at case. 

 

"By doing so, however, we do not call into question prior

cases that relied on the Chevron framework. The holdings

of those cases that specific agency actions are lawful—in-

cluding the Clean Air Act holding of Chevron itself—are

still subject to statutory stare decisis despite our change in

interpretive methodology. See CBOCS West, Inc. v. Hum-

phries, 553 U. S. 442, 457 (2008). Mere reliance on Chevron

cannot constitute a “‘special justification’” for overruling

such a holding, because to say a precedent relied on Chev-

ron is, at best, “just an argument that the precedent was

wrongly decided.” Halliburton Co. v. Erica P. John Fund,"

OldTech wrote:
Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install...

Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install performance parts? I understand California is different, but what about the rest of the states ?

Has there been a lawsuit that you know of, fighting their authority?  I'd guess someone is going to have to sue.  The people you are speaking of, I'd guess haven't sued. So it's something they may be able to speak to a lawyer about now.  The statement that I posted, is only if they have already sued and lost.  They won't be able to go back to court and fix it most likely.  But remember , the clean air act was designed for normal vehicles etc.  It gives the epa authority in much of that.  What I posted for, is specific rules and regs like offroad competition bikes etc.  that they made new or their own rules up regarding.  *Not legal advice*

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2-strokes are still being sold in the USA now, so I don’t think this will have the Japanese manufacturers racing to produce a new 2-stroke. I’ll...

2-strokes are still being sold in the USA now, so I don’t think this will have the Japanese manufacturers racing to produce a new 2-stroke. I’ll just ride my 73 CR250M and my 2023 CRF450R and enjoy both.

So, due to things I can't talk about. I guess can say this.  2 strokes can be imported easier than made here. To manufacturer here, our epa has huge leaps currently.  2 strokes being imported are able to use loopholes because they have already been importing them or something like that.  

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It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and...

It is kind of up in the air about that, because of this wording.  I think it will depend on what happened in each case and if there is a clear reason to re look at case. 

 

"By doing so, however, we do not call into question prior

cases that relied on the Chevron framework. The holdings

of those cases that specific agency actions are lawful—in-

cluding the Clean Air Act holding of Chevron itself—are

still subject to statutory stare decisis despite our change in

interpretive methodology. See CBOCS West, Inc. v. Hum-

phries, 553 U. S. 442, 457 (2008). Mere reliance on Chevron

cannot constitute a “‘special justification’” for overruling

such a holding, because to say a precedent relied on Chev-

ron is, at best, “just an argument that the precedent was

wrongly decided.” Halliburton Co. v. Erica P. John Fund,"

OldTech wrote:
Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install...

Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install performance parts? I understand California is different, but what about the rest of the states ?

Has there been a lawsuit that you know of, fighting their authority?  I'd guess someone is going to have to sue.  The people you are speaking...

Has there been a lawsuit that you know of, fighting their authority?  I'd guess someone is going to have to sue.  The people you are speaking of, I'd guess haven't sued. So it's something they may be able to speak to a lawyer about now.  The statement that I posted, is only if they have already sued and lost.  They won't be able to go back to court and fix it most likely.  But remember , the clean air act was designed for normal vehicles etc.  It gives the epa authority in much of that.  What I posted for, is specific rules and regs like offroad competition bikes etc.  that they made new or their own rules up regarding.  *Not legal advice*

I understand as a manufacturer they have to comply with regulations.  But as a small business if you provide a customer with modification for racing , it is the owner of the vehicle that uses it. Many carburetor jet kits have been removed from our catalogs and who can afford to find out? 

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I have never modified a brand new product that meets or exceeds epa air quality standards 

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OldTech wrote:
Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install...

Im too stupid to understand that. what about performance shops like diesel truck and import car tuners that have been targeted and raided? Shops that install performance parts? I understand California is different, but what about the rest of the states ?

Has there been a lawsuit that you know of, fighting their authority?  I'd guess someone is going to have to sue.  The people you are speaking...

Has there been a lawsuit that you know of, fighting their authority?  I'd guess someone is going to have to sue.  The people you are speaking of, I'd guess haven't sued. So it's something they may be able to speak to a lawyer about now.  The statement that I posted, is only if they have already sued and lost.  They won't be able to go back to court and fix it most likely.  But remember , the clean air act was designed for normal vehicles etc.  It gives the epa authority in much of that.  What I posted for, is specific rules and regs like offroad competition bikes etc.  that they made new or their own rules up regarding.  *Not legal advice*

OldTech wrote:
I understand as a manufacturer they have to comply with regulations.  But as a small business if you provide a customer with modification for racing...

I understand as a manufacturer they have to comply with regulations.  But as a small business if you provide a customer with modification for racing , it is the owner of the vehicle that uses it. Many carburetor jet kits have been removed from our catalogs and who can afford to find out? 

I'm guessing you need to speak to a lawyer, there's all kinds of rules of registering racing vehicles etc.  

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