For those that think Noise is why dirt bike tracks get shut down

ive got a couple 1/10 rock crawlers they are super fun. when you look at the location of it though its not crazy to see why the city wants it gone.

Non moto

And if they are as annoying as the music in their video, they don't have a fhance

Inconvenient truth

Pile of dirt became valuable land to an investor tax dollars for city. 

I always find it a bit funny when people think electric bikes will stop tracks from closing or neighborhoods from complaining. It will be dust, lawsuits, exc. 

https://www.vitalmx.com/forums/non-moto/gata-love-california 

In before everyone says "noise is still the devil"

Actually, FUN is the devil and the NIMBYS hate all of us.  Traffic, Dust, Erosion, Noise, "bad" crowds, etc.  Chose one...or more.

And when they want the land for development...choose them all because then it's too expensive to litigate and the owners have to give up.

Wait....so your stance is that noise isn't a reason why tracks have been and do get shut down?

Boy, that takes a special kind of stupid to believe that.

"crowds" people ruin everything.

When my son was little and still on his pw50 I hand shoveled a track in the open area behind the house. Nice little track for the pw, had a little whoop section some jumps, nice berms, just a fun little track. Now, the wind also blew the dust straight to the house whenever you rode. And it's not a very accessible area. So one day someone who lives close by asked if they could let their little kid with a 50 ride also. OK, little kid will probably ride half an hour and they'll leave and it's not going to mess all my hand shoveling. The next week they come back break out the lounge chairs, coolers, kid's bike, adult quads, start tearing up the track. Fuck you guys! Get the hell out of here! But we asked you......... No, no you didn't, fuck people!

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No, noise is just the low hanging fruit that has always worked because it doesn't take much to incite a local riot over "noise".  If the noise complaint doesn't work...they go to Plan B or C or D.  That's when you realize that there's more to closures than noise.  

Even if the track (or airport, train, highway) was in place long before someone moved next door to it and had a chance to do their due diligence before signing on the dotted line.

I'd love to go back and see what's on the land of all the tracks that have been closed because of noise complaints over the years.  Especially those closed in the past 20 or so years.  I'm guessing you would find that the land has made someone significant money and taxes since the tracks were closed down.

There is no logic or reasoning with anti’s. Remember when 4strokes were going to satisfy them and that all they asked for? After gas engines are out, they will come after e-bikes. They are already coming for emtb’s 

Youre pretty stupid if you dont get the OP’s point

One local to me closed down for noise and dust (allegedly) as well as permits. What went in its place? A gravel/topsoil/bark retailer. Now instead of bikes a few days a week and a couple hours of heavy equipment, they have heavy equipment all day, every day…

And don’t get me started on permits…apply for them, get denied. Don’t apply, get shut down. 
 

It used to be that you could talk to neighbors and work out a mutually acceptable solution for everyone (tailor ride times to suit when they’re at work, etc). Now there’s zero tolerance. “I don’t like dirt bikes and I’m not resting until you’re shut down” seems to be the new normal. Sad.

Noise is 100% an issue. I'm not calling for an electric revolution but the fact I can ride an electric MX bike on my property without anyone knowing is awesome. I think a lot of people don't realize how far sound travels vs dust.

Urban sprawl is the problem, as it puts the value on land rather than on livability and housing will then spread to encroach on riding land.

public transport, high density housing, walk and ride ability is the only option to curb the urban sprawls and save the sport.  

There is a small airfield here in Cape Town. It's been there well over a 100 yrs. 

A up market retirement village was built close by and now the law suits are on-going trying to get it shut down. Effing idiots. 

Yep. I’ve seen that here too. What were they thinking? 

Noise may not be the only thing but it can’t help. 

Come to Saskatchewan. We have more open space than you can imagine. The size of Texas with just over a million people! But even here a guy I know had an awesome private track quite far from the city - hosted some provincial races even - and his dickhead neighbors shut him down due to noise 

that's not a dirt bike track with bikes running around at 105dB.... 

I am in that scale scene, but I've never seen that place 

Spot on...    Along with a few other reasons...one already mentioned in this thread.   Land to develop for more tax revenue.  ...another being some BS "endangered" plant/animal species. 

By then the gas bikes will be gone because of the stupidity in going electric.     This war has been waged for decades and we WILL eventually lose.

Yes we should do nothing about noise, absolutely 

Noise is usually what's cited in the UK.

Two tracks I really liked, both pretty out of the way (for the UK), enough so that dust or dirty motocross folks hanging around wasn't an issue, were both shut for noise.

Now the land is unused or just used for animal grazing, for a decade and counting in one case.

Yeah people will whine about anything and likely move on to the next complaint, but this boring, droning four stroke noise that travels for miles doesn't help anyone.

I love when Fresno is in the news. You can’t just build some thing like this on a public easement. I get what they’re doing and I think it’s super cool, but you can’t just build something like this on public land, especially on the public land where they did it, which is right smack dab in a neighborhood. We used to do stuff like this years and years ago as kids when we built jumps on empty dirt lots but those weren’t right in the middle of the neighborhood and they would eventually get torn down anyway. 

Doesn’t one of these dudes have a backyard where they can build a bitchin crawler obstacle course and invite people over there to do their thing that’s not on public land?

This is pretty much not at all related to the situation with motocross tracks. If some group of people decided to just throw up a motocross track on some empty dirt lot in the neighborhood, you can rest assured it would be shut down pretty quick, and not because of the noise. Although, the noise would suck. Four strokes are annoyingly loud.

I agree, its fun. 

We had one guy rushing to the track and complaining its an "OPTICAL DISTURBANCE". People are crazy

Not caring about noise is like walking onto a battlefield not wearing a bullet proof vest. Yea, if someone wants to kill you, you can still get shot in the head. But why not protect the most likely place to get hit and the most vital?

Noise isn't the only issue, but it's the biggest issue and the one that lets everyone within earshot know youre there. Out of sight out of mind only works if you also can't be heard.

Golf MX was a golf course in Barcelona before it was bought and turned into a MX track. It was shut down within a few months because of noise. Stark has been renting it for the last few years for test riding and special events. The place is rad. I've been there and test rode the prototype Varg there. 

Track here is across the street from an airport. Neighbors tried for five years to shut it down because of noise. Sound test after sound test showed the traffic from the road and the birds were louder. I can’t imagine how much the man had to spend on lawyers and ridiculous sound testing. He even had to run a simulated race with equipment in place at the track.

Wild Rose Motocross Association in Calgary has been writing the book on how to walk the fine line for maintaining an inner city motocross facility for the last 60 years.  Maybe the most unique track on the continent, we have 88 acres within spitting distance of a large downtown and just hosted the opening round of the Canadian Nationals series.  Everything mentioned above is an issue, and we grapple with all of those issues constantly.  Lately, the Park has come under some pressure, but we continue to fight the good fight.  Keep a good thought for us...

As someone who is into the RC racing scene (1/8 scale where I am), HOW DARE the author of this article call them fawking TOY RC cars!!  

But to the OPs point, I never really thought of it this way, but we have lost several RC tracks (electric only) due to urban sprawl as well (and pretty much every moto track or riding spot).  The cities here just keep growing outward at an alarming rate, if there is a land without a structure on it, well, it is only a matter of time.  It definitely feels like growth is as much of a problem (if not more) than the noise or dust.