USA vs Europe? GAVIN TOWERS at the #MXGP of Germany

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6/12/2024 9:46am

I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's?

He would be better off grinding in the USA series if he thinks this is a career he should pursue.

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6/12/2024 10:44am Edited Date/Time 6/12/2024 10:45am
Boomslang wrote:
I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's...

I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's?

He would be better off grinding in the USA series if he thinks this is a career he should pursue.

He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series overseas.  He's a better outdoor rider than a SX rider.  This is good for his development and he doesn't have to dig in his pocket to do it.  Plus it's another American on the GP stage.

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6/12/2024 1:10pm
Boomslang wrote:
I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's...

I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's?

He would be better off grinding in the USA series if he thinks this is a career he should pursue.

JBlain619 wrote:
He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series...

He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series overseas.  He's a better outdoor rider than a SX rider.  This is good for his development and he doesn't have to dig in his pocket to do it.  Plus it's another American on the GP stage.

Isn't he racing EMX250 which is the amateur series? MX2 is the equivalent to our 250 class in Pro Motocross

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6/12/2024 1:16pm

Isn't he racing EMX250 which is the amateur series? MX2 is the equivalent to our 250 class in Pro Motocross

EMX250 is the European championship, MX2 is the World championship.

He`s usually racing EMX250, but seems like he`s racing in the MX2 class next weekend, since there`s no EMX250 races.

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6/12/2024 1:31pm

He was a guy I expected to be really good.  Seems he hit a plateau 

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6/12/2024 1:36pm

Jack Chambers is another American racing MX2 full time . He's been a 14th to 18th place guy so far . 

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6/12/2024 2:09pm
Boomslang wrote:
I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's...

I stand to be corrected but Gavin Towers hardly breaks the top 20 in the USA so what's the big deal going over to the MXGP's?

He would be better off grinding in the USA series if he thinks this is a career he should pursue.

JBlain619 wrote:
He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series...

He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series overseas.  He's a better outdoor rider than a SX rider.  This is good for his development and he doesn't have to dig in his pocket to do it.  Plus it's another American on the GP stage.

Isn't he racing EMX250 which is the amateur series? MX2 is the equivalent to our 250 class in Pro Motocross

Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP moto2... :D

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6/12/2024 2:13pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:

Jack Chambers is another American racing MX2 full time . He's been a 14th to 18th place guy so far . 

Didn't he try some SX this year and couldn't even qualify?

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ATKpilot99 wrote:

Jack Chambers is another American racing MX2 full time . He's been a 14th to 18th place guy so far . 

LungButter wrote:

Didn't he try some SX this year and couldn't even qualify?

Not this year, he did GPs last year and this year, and was solid at the MXoN for Puerto Rico too

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6/12/2024 3:01pm

Go get 'em kid! Hope he enjoys the experience, Jack sure seems to be having fun. Bader Manneh was average too, but had a career. Its cool when Americans do the GPs.

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6/12/2024 3:46pm Edited Date/Time 6/12/2024 3:47pm
ATKpilot99 wrote:

Jack Chambers is another American racing MX2 full time . He's been a 14th to 18th place guy so far . 

LungButter wrote:

Didn't he try some SX this year and couldn't even qualify?

Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want... 

He was an 18th to 20th guy in MX2 last year and 13th to 15th place guy so far this year.  You could argue steady improvement.

https://racerxonline.com/rider/jack-chambers/races

I like having Towers over there now to root for also.

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JBlain619 wrote:
He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series...

He's never raced a pro race here, he crashed out the first moto at Ironman last year.  He had the opportunity to race a professional series overseas.  He's a better outdoor rider than a SX rider.  This is good for his development and he doesn't have to dig in his pocket to do it.  Plus it's another American on the GP stage.

Isn't he racing EMX250 which is the amateur series? MX2 is the equivalent to our 250 class in Pro Motocross

Kasims wrote:
Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP...

Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP moto2... :D

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

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DonM wrote:

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

Lmfao I mean emx moto 1 runs Saturday before the qualifier races & Mxgp moto 2 is Sunday after everything 😂😂 

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DonM wrote:

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

NicNak wrote:

Lmfao I mean emx moto 1 runs Saturday before the qualifier races & Mxgp moto 2 is Sunday after everything 😂😂 

Maybe you should read the post I was responding to….

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6/12/2024 8:40pm
DonM wrote:

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

NicNak wrote:

Lmfao I mean emx moto 1 runs Saturday before the qualifier races & Mxgp moto 2 is Sunday after everything 😂😂 

DonM wrote:

Maybe you should read the post I was responding to….

Oh yeah I did. I’m with you on this. I’m saying it doesn’t make any sense to compare the lap times 

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6/13/2024 12:54am

Must admit, I hadn't heard of him till this year but good luck to him. It's a huge step to come over and change your whole lifestyle to race a new series, I'll be watching his progress. Always good to see US riders bite the bullet and come out of their comfort zone.

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6/13/2024 2:38am

Isn't he racing EMX250 which is the amateur series? MX2 is the equivalent to our 250 class in Pro Motocross

Kasims wrote:
Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP...

Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP moto2... :D

DonM wrote:

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

It was raining before 1st MXGP moto, 2nd moto was 3 hours later and track was pretty dry in the sun. So yeah, I know what I've seen...

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ATKpilot99 wrote:

Jack Chambers is another American racing MX2 full time . He's been a 14th to 18th place guy so far . 

LungButter wrote:

Didn't he try some SX this year and couldn't even qualify?

Press516 wrote:
Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want...  He was an 18th...

Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want... 

He was an 18th to 20th guy in MX2 last year and 13th to 15th place guy so far this year.  You could argue steady improvement.

https://racerxonline.com/rider/jack-chambers/races

I like having Towers over there now to root for also.

Looks like Chambers is racing Hi Point this weekend, lettuce see how his time overseas helps with AMA motocross.. Hard to gauge where he'll finish in this field, 15-20 ?

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LungButter wrote:

Didn't he try some SX this year and couldn't even qualify?

Press516 wrote:
Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want...  He was an 18th...

Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want... 

He was an 18th to 20th guy in MX2 last year and 13th to 15th place guy so far this year.  You could argue steady improvement.

https://racerxonline.com/rider/jack-chambers/races

I like having Towers over there now to root for also.

9bro9 wrote:
Looks like Chambers is racing Hi Point this weekend, lettuce see how his time overseas helps with AMA motocross.. Hard to gauge where he'll finish in...

Looks like Chambers is racing Hi Point this weekend, lettuce see how his time overseas helps with AMA motocross.. Hard to gauge where he'll finish in this field, 15-20 ?

he´s riding Maggiora

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Press516 wrote:
Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want...  He was an 18th...

Chambers rode 5 AMA 250 outdoors races in 2021 and 2022 and never scored a point.  Take from it what you want... 

He was an 18th to 20th guy in MX2 last year and 13th to 15th place guy so far this year.  You could argue steady improvement.

https://racerxonline.com/rider/jack-chambers/races

I like having Towers over there now to root for also.

9bro9 wrote:
Looks like Chambers is racing Hi Point this weekend, lettuce see how his time overseas helps with AMA motocross.. Hard to gauge where he'll finish in...

Looks like Chambers is racing Hi Point this weekend, lettuce see how his time overseas helps with AMA motocross.. Hard to gauge where he'll finish in this field, 15-20 ?

Taddy wrote:

he´s riding Maggiora

Yup, my mistake. 

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The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top fifteen. Production rule means nothing in the USA.

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Kasims wrote:
Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP...

Amateurs? Well, not really...must be one hell of a young amateurs then :D Cas Valk fastest lap time in EMX250 moto1 was faster than Prado MXGP moto2... :D

DonM wrote:

And I'm sure the track was exactly the same for both races....like it rained a lot before the MXGP Moto....nice try....

Kasims wrote:
It was raining before 1st MXGP moto, 2nd moto was 3 hours later and track was pretty dry in the sun. So yeah, I know what...

It was raining before 1st MXGP moto, 2nd moto was 3 hours later and track was pretty dry in the sun. So yeah, I know what I've seen...

And you still can't understand that they were two different race tracks....

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Spoonguy wrote:
The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top...

The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top fifteen. Production rule means nothing in the USA.

Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his dad as a team.

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Spoonguy wrote:
The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top...

The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top fifteen. Production rule means nothing in the USA.

mxrudi wrote:
Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his...

Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his dad as a team.

Well I guess I stand corrected, privateer bikes are just as competitive as factory bikes in the 250/MX2 class. Thanks!

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6/13/2024 9:04am Edited Date/Time 6/13/2024 9:06am
Spoonguy wrote:
The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top...

The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top fifteen. Production rule means nothing in the USA.

mxrudi wrote:
Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his...

Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his dad as a team.

Spoonguy wrote:

Well I guess I stand corrected, privateer bikes are just as competitive as factory bikes in the 250/MX2 class. Thanks!

Quick count in my head there are 20 factory bikes in the 250 class in the US, plus another 6-8 factory supported satellite team bikes. That being the case I agree it is hard for a privateer to get into the top 10. But when we're talking about the 29th best rider is it the bike or the rider keeping them out of the top 10?

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mxrudi wrote:
Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his...

Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his dad as a team.

Spoonguy wrote:

Well I guess I stand corrected, privateer bikes are just as competitive as factory bikes in the 250/MX2 class. Thanks!

GrapeApe wrote:
Quick count in my head there are 20 factory bikes in the 250 class in the US, plus another 6-8 factory supported satellite team bikes. That...

Quick count in my head there are 20 factory bikes in the 250 class in the US, plus another 6-8 factory supported satellite team bikes. That being the case I agree it is hard for a privateer to get into the top 10. But when we're talking about the 29th best rider is it the bike or the rider keeping them out of the top 10?

They just need to drop a tooth on the rear sprocket…

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Spoonguy wrote:
The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top...

The 250/MX2 classes are a farce. Unless you have a factory bike in the USA or Europe you won't get a top ten or even top fifteen. Production rule means nothing in the USA.

mxrudi wrote:
Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his...

Jan Pancar (this year already in MXGP) had some top 10 finishes in MX2 in 2023 and 2022 with full privateer effort. Only he and his dad as a team.

Spoonguy wrote:

Well I guess I stand corrected, privateer bikes are just as competitive as factory bikes in the 250/MX2 class. Thanks!

Quentin Prugnieres, Jens Walvoort and Oriol Oliver have all been inside the top 10 on privateer bikes this year already. Jack Chambers, Valerio Lata, Cas Valk and others have been in the top 15 on privateer bikes as well. Would they all love to be on Factory KTM and doing better, sure. But to say that you cant get a top 10 or 15 is a ridiculous take.

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I am not going to stretch my legs over schemantics. If you are on a privateer in the 250/MX2 class I believe it is an obvious disadvantage, how is that? Can you get a top ten? Sure, you can, but you can drive your car with your feet too, it ain't easy.

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6/13/2024 10:26am

Always like seeing more US riders overseas racing MXGPs.   Seems like more could go as you don’t see full gates most of the time.  Yes - that would take a team and money, but would be great to see!!

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