Chad Reed explains it all.

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burnside 4/21/2010 2:32am
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MX needs more honesty like this. Reed is awesome.
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Crush 4/21/2010 2:46am
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observer wrote:
Did anyone else besides Chad voice there concerns over that area? I never heard...
looks like other riders would've.
From what Chad was saying it sounds like it doesn't matter... Durtwurx/Feld don't listen anyways...

What was it?!?!

"My Grandma with a shovel could have done more than that"
googs the 2nd 4/21/2010 3:58am
4/21/2010 3:58am
was a good listen...i say the current champ or someone like kdub represents the riders for track safety issues...like they used to do in motogp....
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WhipMeister 4/21/2010 4:45am
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The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the bike's front end didn't drop until Ryan had pushed away from it.

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Crush 4/21/2010 4:51am
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WhipMeister wrote:
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the...
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the bike's front end didn't drop until Ryan had pushed away from it.

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zookrider62! 4/21/2010 5:39am
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Crush wrote:
Ah yeah it was... If the obstacle had a normal landing, he comes up short, bounces and keeps going... These are factory bikes with 50K suspension...
Ah yeah it was... If the obstacle had a normal landing, he comes up short, bounces and keeps going...

These are factory bikes with 50K suspension... They can handle that shit and I've seen it happen a hundred times...

He wasn't so short that with a normal landing he wouldn't have been fine, you know it's true...
neverwasfastenuf wrote:
Wink 50K suspensionLaughing
IceMan446 wrote:
I have never seen 50K suspension stop an endo...
as said, it wouldnt have been an endo if the landing was so peaked, it would have gone something like this



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spd721 4/21/2010 5:41am
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I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but after seeing everything that MXSports did in it's first year really gives me a impression the Feld doesn't care about the sprort one bit. They're only in it for the money.
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Tren D 4/21/2010 5:54am
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just a point on RV's crash. Has no-one else noticed that when his bike hits the face of the landing it starts spinning, and after its rotated about half way the rear tyre smacks RV in the back and propels him into the ground harder and further away than he was actually gonna land.

Point being if the landing had been rounder his bike wouldnt have gone into such a violent spin and wouldnt have hit him with the force he was hit with....wouldnt have propelled him further and judging by his trajectory before the bikes hits him he'd have probably slid down the land and not had such a bad impact with the ground.

watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zj4pYa20ac
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oshow 4/21/2010 6:07am
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neverwasfastenuf wrote:
Wink 50K suspensionLaughing
Crush wrote:
Don't know what you are laughing at, that figure has been said by industry folks over and over again...

Guess you experts know it all huh?!?
Crush, you will go crazy trying to explain anything to these idiots.
Halfast816 4/21/2010 6:40am
4/21/2010 6:40am
50 k suspension? NASA has hundred thousand dollar toilet seats, bet they don't make crapping that much better. It's great not magic. It was a dumb obstacle followed by a mistake to jump in unfamiliar line. Less than a second saved or months lost.
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mohammed 4/21/2010 6:54am
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My respects to reed , He is not afraid to speak his mind . SX has become" LAST MAN STANDING WINS" type of deal. Its no fun watching a series when half the riders are out with injuries. GOOD LUCK ellie and reed with your new born from MO.
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UpTiTe wrote:
I dont claim to know more then Chad, never did I say that. I said and I still believe it, that the reason RV crashed was...
I dont claim to know more then Chad, never did I say that.

I said and I still believe it, that the reason RV crashed was because of the lead up to the jump and hitting the rut wrong. He was 2 feet short on that deal and his bike hit the face of that jump not the top. You could round that top all you want and it wouldnt have made a difference.

Oh and for the record, Chad said to a different person that the landing wasnt the bad part, it was the ruts on the face that was a killer.
zookrider62! wrote:
If it was lowered and rounded, he wouldnt have gone down
UpTiTe wrote:
I was there, I seen what I seen and he was coming up way short, there is no way he was riding that out. The second...
I was there, I seen what I seen and he was coming up way short, there is no way he was riding that out. The second he left the ramp he was in panic rev mood and then ejected.

You know what, if you lowered it about 4 feet then yea he might have pulled it, but then everyone would have bitched about the track being to easy.
I wasn't there but i'll state my opinion real quick - If the jump face was rutted there is a chance his rear wheel could get kicked off the face of the jump, when that happens no amount of panic reving or leaning back etc would have raised the front wheel since the rate the bike is nose diving at would be too much to fix by applying throttle...in other words if this happened guys, then uptite is 100 percent right, he was going over no matter what.
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Crush 4/21/2010 7:15am
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neverwasfastenuf wrote:
Wink 50K suspensionLaughing
Crush wrote:
Don't know what you are laughing at, that figure has been said by industry folks over and over again...

Guess you experts know it all huh?!?
oshow wrote:
Crush, you will go crazy trying to explain anything to these idiots.
haha...

Mate, i'm crazy enough! It just cracks me up... These boards are awesome some times but the views of some people defies logic... As a general rule I don't come on here spouting opinions or rash comments... I try looking for facts first... and that's what makes me crazy is people just blind missing it...

But what do you do... I love bench racing and I love MX!
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txmxer 4/21/2010 7:17am
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WhipMeister wrote:
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the...
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the bike's front end didn't drop until Ryan had pushed away from it.

you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
neverwasfastenuf 4/21/2010 7:18am
4/21/2010 7:18am
WhipMeister wrote:
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the...
The morons that keep saying "Look how low and nose-down the bike hit on the face of the jump." are conveniently overlooking the fact that the bike's front end didn't drop until Ryan had pushed away from it.

txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
That will pretty much cover it!Wink
miedosoracing1 4/21/2010 7:25am
4/21/2010 7:25am
Here's some things to look at. Chad Reed said, I am on RV's team and talked to people on the team. I'm guessing with how much confidence, he spoke with a rep who spoke with RV directly. Second, if you say cutting down the jump 3 foot like Chad said, wouldn't have made a difference. Go look at the videos and tell me where the front wheel hit the ground, and that is after like many have said, RV pushed down to eject. UPTITE sure seems like a Dirtwurks guy who says ride my track I built and shut up. It's obvious you guys doen't know what you are talking about.
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Crush 4/21/2010 7:25am
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txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
I'm not saying you have to agree with anyone's opinion... BUT

If the riders stay on a bike, generally it comes into land at the appropriate angle for the ramp...

AND Inertia and momentum will naturally push the bike in a forward direction and rotate it over the front without a rider onboard to compensate the momentum... James' bike did the same vegas 03, and any time you watch a rider step through the bars this will happen... in fact them stepping through would help it...

There are patterns that you can pretty much assume dude... like if you get whisky throttle through some bumps the bike will scoot right out from you... slide out at the back, rear gets traction = highside etc etc...

What do you think of the video posted above with James coming up short on that relatively round landing?!?! I'd say he was as short as you could be on it... back tyre looked to land in the lull of the curve...

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DL 4/21/2010 7:27am
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Great listen,worth the time. I hope that Chad can get involved somehow and have a postive influence on track design...... maybe even be the "one" that is the liason between the riders and Feld.
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toroP 4/21/2010 7:31am
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txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
I love the phrase " go fuck yourself".
You have to go somewhere to do it.
There must be a training camp that teaches you how.
miedosoracing1 4/21/2010 7:32am
4/21/2010 7:32am
DL wrote:
Great listen,worth the time. I hope that Chad can get involved somehow and have a postive influence on track design...... maybe even be the "one" that...
Great listen,worth the time. I hope that Chad can get involved somehow and have a postive influence on track design...... maybe even be the "one" that is the liason between the riders and Feld.
I wouldn't be surprised with how he speaks, he getting black balled soon. Unless other riders step up, it sometimes backfires and the top says, isn't it time you retired? Unless some other riders step up, nothing will get done. JMHO
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Crush 4/21/2010 7:35am
4/21/2010 7:35am
Taken from this story by the Weegemeister's redux at racerxonline.com ... Good reading as always...

..."And while it looks like he was coming up way, way, short, Jim Holley told me that when you bail off a bike, you actually shove it down to the ground, so the real reason the bike smacked the landing so hard was because Ryan jumped off. But that’s not saying he wouldn’t have been hurt if he had held on – just ask Ivan Tedesco..."
neverwasfastenuf 4/21/2010 7:35am
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txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
toroP wrote:
I love the phrase " go fuck yourself".
You have to go somewhere to do it.
There must be a training camp that teaches you how.
If wish I knew where that training camp was, I would gladly send out some airline tickets to a few people on here.Evil
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Matt#49 4/21/2010 7:37am
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txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
toroP wrote:
I love the phrase " go fuck yourself".
You have to go somewhere to do it.
There must be a training camp that teaches you how.



ToroP I am told that there is a training camp that teaches you how......and txmxer is the head coach!!!


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Whitey 4/21/2010 7:42am
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With regards to those commenting about Ryan;s front end being low pretty much after he takes off.

First of all i am not claiming in the slightest to be the standard of these guys but did ok.

I did the same thing over a triple at a Supercross here one time, as in jump over the bars as i was going to be short. When you are going to be short you know pretty much straight away and if you are bailing, you do it almost instantly, hence the early signs of a low front end.
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tlw109 4/21/2010 7:58am
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txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
This is the best response I've heard so far. Lot's of speculation going on about this crash.
miedosoracing1 4/21/2010 8:00am
4/21/2010 8:00am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2010 8:03am
txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
tlw109 wrote:
This is the best response I've heard so far. Lot's of speculation going on about this crash.
Not really, when it came from RV's team and possibly his mouth via through Chad. In the slow mo video, his front end was not down until he ejected. It was a normal takeoff, just not high enough. It (front end) was not low. Go watch the slow mo. and compare to any other jumps. Not low.
panic revver 4/21/2010 8:41am
4/21/2010 8:41am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2010 8:41am
txmxer wrote:
you are an arrogant jackass. You know jack shit. YOU THINK. Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125...
you are an arrogant jackass.

You know jack shit. YOU THINK.

Remember JS bailing out on the jump in Vegas when he was on a 125? The bike rotating forward? There was no jump face for him to jump in to. Point is, there is no way of knowing what would have happened if the landing had been different. It's all just speculation.

Should it have been different? Yes...but, go fuck yourself and everyone else that thinks they know what would have happened on a different landing and go fuck yourself for thinking anyone else is a moron because they don't agree with your bullshit opinion.
tlw109 wrote:
This is the best response I've heard so far. Lot's of speculation going on about this crash.
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Not really, when it came from RV's team and possibly his mouth via through Chad. In the slow mo video, his front end was not down...
Not really, when it came from RV's team and possibly his mouth via through Chad. In the slow mo video, his front end was not down until he ejected. It was a normal takeoff, just not high enough. It (front end) was not low. Go watch the slow mo. and compare to any other jumps. Not low.
LOL. Love that response txmxer. Watch the slow mo vid posted on here and see where his front end is on take off and the rest of the way thru that jump and where it is BEFORE he ejects. Wait miedos, you did watch it and still think that?
miedosoracing1 4/21/2010 8:53am
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Yes, I know every rider has his front down somewhat. But he was no where near JS's endo when he left the bike. It was lower, but not low enough to eject off a 3 foot landing. A 6 foot yes. Like I said, sounds to me, RV said he wouldn't have crashed if it was a 3 foot landing. It came from Chad, but sounds like it was really a statement from RV. Go listen again how Chad states it.
Again, the front tire only hit 2 foot down from the very top of the landing.
panic revver 4/21/2010 8:57am
4/21/2010 8:57am Edited Date/Time 4/21/2010 8:58am
miedosoracing1 wrote:
Yes, I know every rider has his front down somewhat. But he was no where near JS's endo when he left the bike. It was lower...
Yes, I know every rider has his front down somewhat. But he was no where near JS's endo when he left the bike. It was lower, but not low enough to eject off a 3 foot landing. A 6 foot yes. Like I said, sounds to me, RV said he wouldn't have crashed if it was a 3 foot landing. It came from Chad, but sounds like it was really a statement from RV. Go listen again how Chad states it.
Again, the front tire only hit 2 foot down from the very top of the landing.
Only 2 ft. What are you using to measure that 2 ft? You think they should have had a 3 foot tall landing?

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