Moto Trailer Help Needed

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Edited Date/Time 4/15/2024 3:46pm

Finally deciding to pull the trigger on an enclosed trailer after a decade of dealing with two bikes in/out of the truck every day. We're pretty set on size (12 or 14') and door configuration due to our driveway and storage. Here's the predicament - my ideal setup is 7x14, aluminum, tandem axle, single piece roof. Hard to find that new for less than 10k these days. I can pick up a 6x12, aluminum, single axle trailer for around 6k.

Is the extra foot of width, tandem axle, and trailer brake setup worth the additional 4-5k when all is said and done? Lots of benefits there, but man I'm just having a hard time justifying the extra cash.

Any opinions? Normal use case is two bikes and all the race weekend stuff, 1-3 hours each way from the house. Occasionally will add a third bike and head south during the winter for some riding.

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Yes, Yes, YES! Especially if you are going to add cabinets and a water tank and toilet and bed and reefer and pressure washer and a $10,000 Snap On roller complete with hydraulic press in case you have to split the cases to do main bearings at the track.

Sort of kidding. I bought a 6 x 12 and put 2 bikes in it and immediately realized I should have got the 7 x 14. 3 bike is a real squeeze. There is no walk around room in it. I don't carry a ton of extra shit in it. A small tool box, gear bag, spare wheel and gas can.

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FGR01
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7x14 is very nice.   I'd first ask what will you be pulling it with?   Do you plan to sleep in it sometimes?

Tandem is very nice knowing that 1-flat is not quite as immediately catastrophic.  

One thing to consider, most of the reduced mpg's of a trailer comes from the aero drag, not the weight (assuming you are towing with a half-ton and not a lot of hills) and the difference between a 6x and a 7x is essentially nothing.  Once you put a big box behind you, it is a parachute pull either way.

Basic difference between a 6x and a 7x, with the 7 you have enough space that you are not packing things in like tetris around the bikes and have more leeway to prevent overlap or interfering handlebars.

If you're patient, you should be able to find a reasonably priced, barely used trailer.  Lots of people buy them and do 1 move and then sell them.

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14' tandem for $10K.  I suggest you shop around, I good drive can save you thousands.  Down here in the Southeast you can get a new for $7k or less.

I do recommend a 7ft inside height. 

Here are examples

https://mericacargotrailers.com/product/enclosed-cargo-trailer-7x14-tan…

https://www.usacargotrailersales.com/popular-trailers/7-wide/

 

There are a lot of people who pull travel trailers out of Indiana that would probably cut you a deal on getting one pulled back up to help cover the empty miles back home.

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ithinkitsbroke
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FGR01 wrote:
7x14 is very nice.   I'd first ask what will you be pulling it with?   Do you plan to sleep in it sometimes? Tandem is very nice...

7x14 is very nice.   I'd first ask what will you be pulling it with?   Do you plan to sleep in it sometimes?

Tandem is very nice knowing that 1-flat is not quite as immediately catastrophic.  

One thing to consider, most of the reduced mpg's of a trailer comes from the aero drag, not the weight (assuming you are towing with a half-ton and not a lot of hills) and the difference between a 6x and a 7x is essentially nothing.  Once you put a big box behind you, it is a parachute pull either way.

Basic difference between a 6x and a 7x, with the 7 you have enough space that you are not packing things in like tetris around the bikes and have more leeway to prevent overlap or interfering handlebars.

If you're patient, you should be able to find a reasonably priced, barely used trailer.  Lots of people buy them and do 1 move and then sell them.

Good call on camping part. We are not planning on sleeping in it, although that extra foot would be nice if we decide to throw some cots down when the weather is mild.

Pulling with a half ton that just got paid off. Not a snowflakes chance in hell for me to buy another truck right now Laughing

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Preston412 wrote:
14' tandem for $10K.  I suggest you shop around, I good drive can save you thousands.  Down here in the Southeast you can get a new...

14' tandem for $10K.  I suggest you shop around, I good drive can save you thousands.  Down here in the Southeast you can get a new for $7k or less.

I do recommend a 7ft inside height. 

Here are examples

https://mericacargotrailers.com/product/enclosed-cargo-trailer-7x14-tan…

https://www.usacargotrailersales.com/popular-trailers/7-wide/

 

There are a lot of people who pull travel trailers out of Indiana that would probably cut you a deal on getting one pulled back up to help cover the empty miles back home.

I’d look around Mount Pleasant Texas.  It’s a long way but I’d bet you can buy a a lot of gasoline for 2 or 3 K.  Several big trailer manufactories in Mount Pleasant.

Pretty sure I can get a 16ft for 7k ish here in Houston.  The full blackouts like I want a more expensive, my guess 8.5 k ish  around Houston. I’d like to have a 16ft blackout with a spoiler.  
 

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4/15/2024 7:13pm

I got this new 8.5x16 for around $7500. Has upgraded 5200 lb axles and other goodies. May be a bit bigger than what you need, but good deals are out there.

 

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4/15/2024 8:23pm

In his initial post he did say an aluminum trailer which drives the cost up.  We have a 7x14 aluminum stealth and it's perfect for us with 5 mini bikes.  I've got 700 watts of solar on the roof with a 4000 watt inverter and we run everything we need including a power washer without ever needing to bring a generator.  Make sure you get a v nose to really take full advantage of the 14' floor space 

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4/15/2024 9:26pm Edited Date/Time 4/15/2024 9:27pm

I bought a new one a few years ago and did a ton of research on them.  I also wanted an aluminum.  I ended buying a Legend brand but their Thunder line.  It was more basic than their high end but I could add anything I wanted.  I am sure prices have gone up but I got a 7x16 +v nose.  With AC and heat, outlets insulation, etc for I believe it was $8200 out the door.  It has been awesome but I did got to Michigan and pick it up.  

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I couldn't find what I wanted so I ordered one from Carson trailers in Beaumont.  I'm happy with it. It can be tight sometimes but it works. I wanted it small and easy to tow, park in small lots etc. Here was my list of options. I paid $7,200' 7 years ago

7 X10 with wheel wells inside.  7' so it's narrower than my camper  

6'8" overall height, (so it will fit in a garage)

side door on each side 

50 gallon fresh water tank under the floor with an rv water pump and hose bib, battery and inside light

Spare tire mounted inside. 

Electric trailer brakes. Even though it's small and light with a single axle I figured any amount of dragging is better than any amount of pushing down long or steep grades. It's right around 3'500 lbs loaded. 

I use wheel chocks and flush D rings to tie the bikes down and added a shelf in the front for chairs etc. 

Next addition is surfboard kayak rack on top. 

If I did it again ?  Taller, I can park it in the garage, but never do. It's nice that it sits low, tows great and doesn't catch a lot of wind, but I've gotten I few good thunks on the skull. 

  

       

 

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4/16/2024 5:23am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2024 5:26am

The aluminum is what's messing up your budget, obviously more expensive material and generally the aluminum models are built a little better as they aren't pumping out as many of them. And if you are towing with a half ton weights a non issue and wouldnt effect gas mileage anyways its the big wall that's the issue. 

Mine also has 6'6" interior height which as someone 6'3" I love, most are going to be 6' interior which is just tall enough for me to forget and give myself a concussion. 

6x14 tandem axle is probably a sort of less common size compared to a 7 x 14 tandem axle, I enjoy my 6' because it goes in my driveway but also racing offroad you get in some pretty rural areas and these back roads even with a 6' trailer im dumping it off the shoulders here and there. 

 

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I have an all aluminum Legend 7x14 for sale. Currently asking 12k. Has A/C and 55 gallon aluminum water tank between the axles. Very nice trailer. 

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drivrswntd wrote:
In his initial post he did say an aluminum trailer which drives the cost up.  We have a 7x14 aluminum stealth and it's perfect for us...

In his initial post he did say an aluminum trailer which drives the cost up.  We have a 7x14 aluminum stealth and it's perfect for us with 5 mini bikes.  I've got 700 watts of solar on the roof with a 4000 watt inverter and we run everything we need including a power washer without ever needing to bring a generator.  Make sure you get a v nose to really take full advantage of the 14' floor space 

I've kinda read the same things. I want to go with aluminum since we live in the upper Midwest - it's gonna see a lot of salt from December through March. We raced out of a 12' tandem axle featherlight when I was a kid. I can't believe how expensive those have gotten!

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I’ve never owned an enclosed trailer.  I’m not a fan of gas fumes in an enclosed space.  My carb’d Beta RX smell of serious gas fumes if I haul back from the track with the pet cock open.  Takes a few days to go away in my garage.  My fuel injected Hondas don’t smell at all.  Fumes inside enclosed trailer is a big concern with me.  

I’d haul gas cans in back of the truck if I was going AC it and spend much time inside.  

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4/16/2024 7:21am Edited Date/Time 4/16/2024 7:22am

I've got a 6x12 V-nose very minimally setup. I've hauled it all around the east coast and camped in it more times than I can count the last couple of years. I'm wanting to add windows, insulation and a mini split, but deep down I know I want a 7x14 and don't want to redo the work. So it comes down to you. Yes a 6x12 will work perfectly, however, are you going to want to upgrade for more room later? Yes.

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4/16/2024 7:29am

6x12 out the door 4100

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Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and 110v power setup, bed raises to the ceiling perfect for me and the wife but getting something a little bigger for us and the dogs. 

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AMetts wrote:
Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and...

Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and 110v power setup, bed raises to the ceiling perfect for me and the wife but getting something a little bigger for us and the dogs. 

I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

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No wheel chocks, can put 3rd bike in between. Going to put a portable AC in the bottom cabinet and duct it through the floor.

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Hard to say without knowing you financial situation. Its easy to say something is worth it when you dont have the same trade offs that others do.

6×12 is certainly doable. Youll still have the same amount of fun and the fuel mileage will be better. It will be a nice simple package without hassles.

That being said, I've always felt that 7x14 is the perfect size. Especially if your racing and at the track all day/weekend. Comfort level will be higher and you can do a lot to it over time. You will get your money's worth if thats what your asking. 

Maybe take your time and see if a used one pops up. Even put the word out. 

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AMetts wrote:
Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and...

Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and 110v power setup, bed raises to the ceiling perfect for me and the wife but getting something a little bigger for us and the dogs. 

Sandusky26 wrote:
I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

Ive loved ours we have used it a lot for the past 4 years, we used to mountain bike a ton and now we both ride dirtbikes a lot. We have a german shepard and a husky so when we go on trips we usually have to pay to have someone watch them but a toy hauler we can fit them in there and run a generator if they need AC. 

Wanting a small toy hauler though like 17-19 foot. 

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AMetts wrote:
Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and...

Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and 110v power setup, bed raises to the ceiling perfect for me and the wife but getting something a little bigger for us and the dogs. 

Sandusky26 wrote:
I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

AMetts wrote:
Ive loved ours we have used it a lot for the past 4 years, we used to mountain bike a ton and now we both ride...

Ive loved ours we have used it a lot for the past 4 years, we used to mountain bike a ton and now we both ride dirtbikes a lot. We have a german shepard and a husky so when we go on trips we usually have to pay to have someone watch them but a toy hauler we can fit them in there and run a generator if they need AC. 

Wanting a small toy hauler though like 17-19 foot. 

Me and my girl both ride and we're expecting our first child in 2 months, I need something we can stay over night in. I'm looking for the same size toy hauler. I won't be able to have a trailer and toy hauler. I'm looking for a Work and Play style so I could use it every weekend without being a big pain in the ass.

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Only piece of advice I can give above what has already been mentioned is get the size trailer that can fit 100% of your bikes, gear, water, gas, tools, etc in the trailer for 99% of the trips you are planning to do. The peace of mind of not having anything flopping around or blowing out of your truck bed is priceless, not to mention the quick stop for food I have more confidence that someone wont be able to just swipe something out of the bed of my truck.

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4/16/2024 8:28am
AMetts wrote:
Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and...

Im actually selling my 6x12 mini toy hauler thing if anyone in this thread is interested tons of good stuff, uses a normal RV 12v and 110v power setup, bed raises to the ceiling perfect for me and the wife but getting something a little bigger for us and the dogs. 

Sandusky26 wrote:
I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

I'm in the same boat as you. I've spent the last 2 years building my 6x12 and now I want a toy hauler.

I like what you guys have. The only problem is, my wife wants something like this:

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4/16/2024 8:29am
Only piece of advice I can give above what has already been mentioned is get the size trailer that can fit 100% of your bikes, gear...

Only piece of advice I can give above what has already been mentioned is get the size trailer that can fit 100% of your bikes, gear, water, gas, tools, etc in the trailer for 99% of the trips you are planning to do. The peace of mind of not having anything flopping around or blowing out of your truck bed is priceless, not to mention the quick stop for food I have more confidence that someone wont be able to just swipe something out of the bed of my truck.

Agreed. Intend on having it for a long time and getting things right. I think 7x14 is the way to go for us. The original question was more around if the little bit of extra room is that helpful at the track, and if tandems really do tow that much smoother and easier than singles. All I've ever towed are tandems in the 14-18' range. No experience with singles and longer trips.

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I pulled a 6x12 single axle for a couple years, in 2018 bought a new 7'x14' double axle with brakes. Definitely tows better, more room and having brakes is nice, we do lot's of trips over the Cascade mountains here in WA. I can fit 4 bikes plus all the gear we need, tables, pop up etc, with no problem. Built shelves in the front for all the gear and tools, added a battery and an invertor, roof vent with a powered fan and diesel heater. I've camped in it for 3 days a few times, not as nice as a toy hauler but it works. I tow it loaded with a 1500 Hemi RAM with no problem all over the northwest.  Go with the 7'x14', the 6'x12' gets small pretty quickly. 

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