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After listening to the wardy podcast on whiskey throttle.   What have you seen/heard/tried for healing injuries?   Make sure to listen to part 2 if you never knew about wardy almost winning the Indy 500 twice!

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A person’s mindset may be one of the most powerful healers. A life long practice but worth exploring 

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PRP, Peptides 

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I don’t know about you guys…. But when I”m busted up and laying on the couch, I get a little depressed….how do I get this positive energy? 

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4/12/2024 4:47pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2024 4:52pm

Carnivore diet fixed a lot of physical pain from previous injuries and I feel great overall especially mental cognition.

My chiropractor fixed my numb arm and carpel tunnel, no surgery.

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cable wrote:
After listening to the wardy podcast on whiskey throttle.   What have you seen/heard/tried for healing injuries?   Make sure to listen to part 2 if...

After listening to the wardy podcast on whiskey throttle.   What have you seen/heard/tried for healing injuries?   Make sure to listen to part 2 if you never knew about wardy almost winning the Indy 500 twice!

Breathwork, yoga, qigong, walking, sauna/ice bath, float tank, grounding, foundation training, massage, Kalaripayattu, reiki.

Basic idea is to get the human body back to a balanced, biomechanically sound position. Turning off some muscles and turning on others. The nervous system gets reprogrammed that it is safe to let go. Otherwise we hold on to the trauma in our bodies. 

Imbalanced distorted energy gets “stuck” in body and pulls you off center/out of alignment.

Most pain comes from micro contractions around an injury site. Think “mini cramps”. Most of the time, those muscles stay locked on unless we consciously let them know it’s ok to relax. 

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4/12/2024 4:58pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2024 5:02pm
studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

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Alcohol, trashy women and cheap hotels with hot tubs that have questionable cleanliness. Try it. Heals me every time. 

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I had a thoracic Laminectomy on December 28th and still recovering. It can take up to a year to recover. I still have some numbness in my legs and feet and weakness. I would be willing to try just about anything to help with recovery. I hope that by November/December I can ride a dirt bike again and snow ski. The recovery has caused a lot of anxiety and depression that I won’t get better. 

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In all seriousness… I try to have a never give up attitude most of the time… I usually overcome injuries pretty fast for an old guy… I try to eat clean, most of the time, very few pills/ pain killers, walk, bicycle, swim, periodically use the weigh room, lots of stretching & yoga …..the mental/ physiological part, when you are injured is the toughest….it can wear on you….

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Bpc157 and tb500 work from my personal experience 

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Bpc157 and tb500 work from my personal experience 

PRP worked for my destroyed ankle, but I know people that have tried it on their knees and it was unsuccessful. I took peptides as well and had me healing at a rate that was faster than normal.  Comparing these to similar injuries where nothing was taken or used and there is without a doubt a significant difference. 

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4/12/2024 8:24pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2024 8:25pm
studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice squad and from MX prior to trying PRP and peptides, and then have had tons of injuries that I used them and every single time I had a much faster, better recovery and comeback after using. Not up for debate from my experience for me personally. 
 

Not to mention the other guys in this thread that have also used and experienced a benefit… so far a 100% success rate in here from first hand experience users. 

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Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Bpc157 and tb500 work from my personal experience 

brocster wrote:
PRP worked for my destroyed ankle, but I know people that have tried it on their knees and it was unsuccessful. I took peptides as well...

PRP worked for my destroyed ankle, but I know people that have tried it on their knees and it was unsuccessful. I took peptides as well and had me healing at a rate that was faster than normal.  Comparing these to similar injuries where nothing was taken or used and there is without a doubt a significant difference. 

100%. I've weightrained seriously for over 27yrs and used all kinds of supplements. I'm very in tuned with my body. I know if something works or is placebo horseshit. I had a pretty bad AC separation that bpc and tb helped immensely. 

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

studworx wrote:
Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice...

Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice squad and from MX prior to trying PRP and peptides, and then have had tons of injuries that I used them and every single time I had a much faster, better recovery and comeback after using. Not up for debate from my experience for me personally. 
 

Not to mention the other guys in this thread that have also used and experienced a benefit… so far a 100% success rate in here from first hand experience users. 

Right. The only thing I'll agree with that he said is there are a lot of fake peptides out there. If you don't think they work, I'd suggest you got bunk peptides

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

I will second this in two ways.

First, most peptides and/or sarms are non-controlled and regulated substances so theres no QC particularly. Do with that what you will.

Second, any kind of low carb diet has been a nightmare for me athletically. Sure, I lost a little water weight. I also lost the ability to train with any intensity (which is what is therapeutic in the first place).

I would advise a good physical therapist who is not into all of the pagan spiritual stuff indigo is talking about. Movement is medicine and it can be greatly supplemented with proper diet. If you're looking for an esoteric magic bullet, it's not out there.

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Sounds simple but blood flow is key. Blood flow in and away from the site of healing. Warmth promotes vasodilation. Smoking/nicotine causes vasoconstriction. Can try agents like beet juice to help nitric oxide and vasodilation. Elevation and compression devices promote drainage. Leeches have been used for removal of old blood. Nitro paste, massage and having a strong ticker to pump the blood. 
 

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

OwenJakes wrote:
I will second this in two ways. First, most peptides and/or sarms are non-controlled and regulated substances so theres no QC particularly. Do with that what...

I will second this in two ways.

First, most peptides and/or sarms are non-controlled and regulated substances so theres no QC particularly. Do with that what you will.

Second, any kind of low carb diet has been a nightmare for me athletically. Sure, I lost a little water weight. I also lost the ability to train with any intensity (which is what is therapeutic in the first place).

I would advise a good physical therapist who is not into all of the pagan spiritual stuff indigo is talking about. Movement is medicine and it can be greatly supplemented with proper diet. If you're looking for an esoteric magic bullet, it's not out there.

One of the best long distance runners in the world is carnivore /low carb. It may not work for you, but it can work

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PRP is your own anti coagulated blood in a tube that is spun down to separate out the platelets/Buffy coat. Given back to you as an injection. Platelets are involved in blood clotting. Look at the athletes/pitchers etc who try it and eventually need surgery. Seems like a cash grab and guaranteed office visit to me.

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I had a thoracic Laminectomy on December 28th and still recovering. It can take up to a year to recover. I still have some numbness in...

I had a thoracic Laminectomy on December 28th and still recovering. It can take up to a year to recover. I still have some numbness in my legs and feet and weakness. I would be willing to try just about anything to help with recovery. I hope that by November/December I can ride a dirt bike again and snow ski. The recovery has caused a lot of anxiety and depression that I won’t get better. 

You should look into Auriculotherapy. I think it could help, it’s been helping me a lot with back pain especially so I think with a few sessions that might help your legs and I know it can help with your anxiety too. It’s crazy what it can do.

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I chose not to read through most of this because I just don't have the energy at the moment, but I'll say this..... there's no such thing as alternative medicine or homeopathic remedies.... there's medicine, which will incorporate anything and everything if there is evidence to support its use, and then there are the things that don't have evidence to support their use. They might someday be supported by evidence, in which case traditional medicine will start using them, but then they won't be alternative, it'll just be modern medicine continuing to advance.

And if you think big pharma is just trying to keep the little guy down, the exact opposite is true. If something shows promise, big pharma will throw all kinds of money at it in hopes of bringing it into the mainstream. (Good friend of mine did PhD and well funded post doc on PRP.... he finished his PhD in 2008.... this isn't new) 

If the thing you're considering is firmly relegated to the alternative category, then the evidence isn't there. Best case scenario is the only harm done is to your wallet. The placebo affect is an amazing thing and plenty of people have gotten rich off of finding ways to package and market it.

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Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

OwenJakes wrote:
I will second this in two ways. First, most peptides and/or sarms are non-controlled and regulated substances so theres no QC particularly. Do with that what...

I will second this in two ways.

First, most peptides and/or sarms are non-controlled and regulated substances so theres no QC particularly. Do with that what you will.

Second, any kind of low carb diet has been a nightmare for me athletically. Sure, I lost a little water weight. I also lost the ability to train with any intensity (which is what is therapeutic in the first place).

I would advise a good physical therapist who is not into all of the pagan spiritual stuff indigo is talking about. Movement is medicine and it can be greatly supplemented with proper diet. If you're looking for an esoteric magic bullet, it's not out there.

JazzyJJ wrote:

One of the best long distance runners in the world is carnivore /low carb. It may not work for you, but it can work

Should not use an exception to prove the rule, especially from a “trust me bro” relationship.
 

When studied directly, low carbohydrate does do far worse for performance. Yes, some people will be successful in spite of what they do, but that doesn’t mean it’s better. Also no better for health. 

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4/12/2024 11:30pm Edited Date/Time 4/12/2024 11:33pm
Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

studworx wrote:
Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice...

Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice squad and from MX prior to trying PRP and peptides, and then have had tons of injuries that I used them and every single time I had a much faster, better recovery and comeback after using. Not up for debate from my experience for me personally. 
 

Not to mention the other guys in this thread that have also used and experienced a benefit… so far a 100% success rate in here from first hand experience users. 

Right. The only thing I'll agree with that he said is there are a lot of fake peptides out there. If you don't think they work...

Right. The only thing I'll agree with that he said is there are a lot of fake peptides out there. If you don't think they work, I'd suggest you got bunk peptides

They don’t work even in clinical trials. Regression to the mean is the norm here. Telling people to take unregulated and potentially risky things without good evidence is ill advised. 
 

if they worked so well, they’d be getting funded for additional trials to be brought to market. They didn’t and they aren’t, but people on the internet will believe (and buy) anything. 

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It really depends on the injury.. but quality sleep and nutrition definitely help the body heal itself.

It's amazing how many people don't quantify sleep or nutrition / have no idea how to tune it - but they want some new age alternative cure! The body is an amazing thing

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Time and movement 

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truck wrote:
I chose not to read through most of this because I just don't have the energy at the moment, but I'll say this..... there's no such...

I chose not to read through most of this because I just don't have the energy at the moment, but I'll say this..... there's no such thing as alternative medicine or homeopathic remedies.... there's medicine, which will incorporate anything and everything if there is evidence to support its use, and then there are the things that don't have evidence to support their use. They might someday be supported by evidence, in which case traditional medicine will start using them, but then they won't be alternative, it'll just be modern medicine continuing to advance.

And if you think big pharma is just trying to keep the little guy down, the exact opposite is true. If something shows promise, big pharma will throw all kinds of money at it in hopes of bringing it into the mainstream. (Good friend of mine did PhD and well funded post doc on PRP.... he finished his PhD in 2008.... this isn't new) 

If the thing you're considering is firmly relegated to the alternative category, then the evidence isn't there. Best case scenario is the only harm done is to your wallet. The placebo affect is an amazing thing and plenty of people have gotten rich off of finding ways to package and market it.

No one is deficient in pharmaceutical drugs.

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studworx wrote:
Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice...

Not sure what the science is. Don’t care either. Maybe it’s placebo.. but I have had a TON of injuries from being on the Olympic practice squad and from MX prior to trying PRP and peptides, and then have had tons of injuries that I used them and every single time I had a much faster, better recovery and comeback after using. Not up for debate from my experience for me personally. 
 

Not to mention the other guys in this thread that have also used and experienced a benefit… so far a 100% success rate in here from first hand experience users. 

Right. The only thing I'll agree with that he said is there are a lot of fake peptides out there. If you don't think they work...

Right. The only thing I'll agree with that he said is there are a lot of fake peptides out there. If you don't think they work, I'd suggest you got bunk peptides

They don’t work even in clinical trials. Regression to the mean is the norm here. Telling people to take unregulated and potentially risky things without good...

They don’t work even in clinical trials. Regression to the mean is the norm here. Telling people to take unregulated and potentially risky things without good evidence is ill advised. 
 

if they worked so well, they’d be getting funded for additional trials to be brought to market. They didn’t and they aren’t, but people on the internet will believe (and buy) anything. 

I'm not going to get into a back and forth over this other than to say they worked for me. Incredibly well as a matter of fact. Somwhat humorous several people in here have said they work from personal experience and youre like nah ah. I'm not telling anyone what to put in their own body either. Just relaying personal experience. 

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studworx wrote:

PRP, Peptides 

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Bpc157 and tb500 work from my personal experience 

Second this, used after rotator cuff surgery with awesome results and zero side effects. 

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Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence.  “Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline...

Neither of these reliably work for most musculoskeletal injuries based on available evidence. 

“Peptides” have effectively no evidence for efficacy, despite being in the development pipeline for decades. This includes BPC 157 and TB500. The majority of people buying this stuff aren’t even getting what they think they’re taking. 

PRP has a pretty low  success rate in the few things it actually “works” for, eg chronic tendinopathy. 

The Carnivore diet would be about the last diet to recommend for an athlete. 

Treatment of injuries depends on the specific injury  and the individual. Many people advocate for unproven interventions without understanding the potentials risks or knowledge of the average response. 

Bpc157 and tb500 work from my personal experience 

Mike 13 wrote:

Second this, used after rotator cuff surgery with awesome results and zero side effects. 

Not possible. Jordan with absolutely zero experience is telling everyone in here with experience that they don’t work 

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