Prado’s 3 Year Kawi Deal

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ohh_454 wrote:

James wasn’t one of Mitch’s guys, he went straight to the factory team. 

ILoveMoto wrote:

Yup I found that out thanks. It was unusual for Kawi to do that but it was James Stewart after all. 

James had an offer from factory Honda and I’m pretty sure they used that to leverage Kawi to sign them to the factory team. 

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ohh_454 wrote:

James had an offer from factory Honda and I’m pretty sure they used that to leverage Kawi to sign them to the factory team. 

You're right on the money

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eddie wrote:

If Kawi doesn’t support him for the mxdn I’m never buying anything green , ever again … 

You can give me all your money after that too.... Green is bad

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ohh_454 wrote:

James had an offer from factory Honda and I’m pretty sure they used that to leverage Kawi to sign them to the factory team. 

They also tried to get him in 04.

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Is there any truth to TLD being done at the end of the year playing into any of that?

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Do you think we will ever see a brand actually successfully use their “first right of refusal” clause? Surprised KTM wouldn’t be willing to match whatever offer he was given. Dude looks to have a very bright future ahead of him in the states and their satellite teams are a shell of their former selves at this point. 

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ohh_454 wrote:

James had an offer from factory Honda and I’m pretty sure they used that to leverage Kawi to sign them to the factory team. 

Flatliner wrote:

They also tried to get him in 04.

Too bad they didn’t go after him for ‘09 and beyond when they were supported by Red Bull and kept him off that sx only Yamaha deal. Maybe 3rd time would’ve been the charm

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AJ565 wrote:

Is there any truth to TLD being done at the end of the year playing into any of that?

If that’s true, I wonder if gasgas keeps a team together with Barcia and RyderD to honor their contracts as their signed thru next year. 

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Too bad they didn’t go after him for ‘09 and beyond when they were supported by Red Bull and kept him off that sx only Yamaha...

Too bad they didn’t go after him for ‘09 and beyond when they were supported by Red Bull and kept him off that sx only Yamaha deal. Maybe 3rd time would’ve been the charm

If I recall he really liked that gen of yamaha, no way they would have told him about the major bike change in 2010, which didn't really work for anyone at the pro level.

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Won’t be official until October. 

ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

You may think that you do, but you really don’t. Because the only way that is going to happen is if the the US SX/MX series follow the lead of the MXGP and WSX series and start licensing teams like franchises. And that, I believe, would be a negative move in the long run. No more local riders trying to qualify for the night show or the Saturday motos, you’d just have your 20 entries that the licensed teams entered at each round. Phuck that. 

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kage173 wrote:

Wont go well. Prado is going to get so beat up during SX, hell have a hard time getting the ball rolling outdoors. 

Well aren’t you a ray of fucking sunshine…

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I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS.

MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of motocross, but the big lights, a lot of media coverage, it seems a lot more serious between the riders. It seems like you did it, nobody has heard if you are going back. The rumours say you are, maybe with Kawasaki, all sorts of different things. When do you make a decision or when do you make that decision, at what point in the season?

Prado: No, right now, my focus is on MXGP, and I wanted to get that experience, but right now, I want to focus on MXGP and defending my title. That is what I want, keep my mind on MXGP. I have no decisions, just focusing in winning my title.

Prado: Once I even know if I want to, or I see myself doing it, or if I get a good opportunity, then I would make a decision.

 

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3/14/2024 5:44pm Edited Date/Time 3/14/2024 5:48pm
ML512 wrote:
I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it...

I'm actually curious about the timeline because many MXGP contracts run longer than US contracts into the off-season. So I'm really curious to see when it gets announced.

Somehow in all other motorsports, moves can be announced a year or more in advanced! But not in our little niche ass-backwards sport. Laughing

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Baseball teams have salary caps, that's why payments become public, Supercross and Motocross teams don't, what would motivate them to disclose salaries or bonuses?

Baseball teams DO NOT have salary caps

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3/14/2024 6:38pm
Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS. MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of...

I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS.

MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of motocross, but the big lights, a lot of media coverage, it seems a lot more serious between the riders. It seems like you did it, nobody has heard if you are going back. The rumours say you are, maybe with Kawasaki, all sorts of different things. When do you make a decision or when do you make that decision, at what point in the season?

Prado: No, right now, my focus is on MXGP, and I wanted to get that experience, but right now, I want to focus on MXGP and defending my title. That is what I want, keep my mind on MXGP. I have no decisions, just focusing in winning my title.

Prado: Once I even know if I want to, or I see myself doing it, or if I get a good opportunity, then I would make a decision.

 

He most definitely wouldn’t and couldn’t say yet. 

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3/14/2024 7:56pm
I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.   Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the...

I want the contract terms to be public knowledge.
 

Ohtani signing a 10 year 700 million dollar deal with the dodgers was reported on the minute it was finalized. The details with the deferrals were reported within the hour. Jett is in the middle of a multi year deal and nobody knows how long it’s for or how much it’s for, what the bonuses are, etc…

Baseball teams have salary caps, that's why payments become public, Supercross and Motocross teams don't, what would motivate them to disclose salaries or bonuses?

Not true. They have a competitive balance tax but no cap. Any team can spend as much money as they want. They also didn’t have the...

Not true. They have a competitive balance tax but no cap. Any team can spend as much money as they want. They also didn’t have the competitive balance tax until 97, and contract terms have always been public knowledge, even prior to the implication of the cbt. As was stated earlier in the thread, I think by ML, it’s because they have a players union and the riders in our sport have nothing. 

I stand corrected, I thought they had a salary cap the same as the NBA and NFL, along with baseball, they are amongst the sports I don't follow!

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Baseball teams have salary caps, that's why payments become public, Supercross and Motocross teams don't, what would motivate them to disclose salaries or bonuses?

Not true. They have a competitive balance tax but no cap. Any team can spend as much money as they want. They also didn’t have the...

Not true. They have a competitive balance tax but no cap. Any team can spend as much money as they want. They also didn’t have the competitive balance tax until 97, and contract terms have always been public knowledge, even prior to the implication of the cbt. As was stated earlier in the thread, I think by ML, it’s because they have a players union and the riders in our sport have nothing. 

I stand corrected, I thought they had a salary cap the same as the NBA and NFL, along with baseball, they are amongst the sports I...

I stand corrected, I thought they had a salary cap the same as the NBA and NFL, along with baseball, they are amongst the sports I don't follow!

Baseball has a luxury tax so sort of a soft cap. It isn't working. Small market teams have to hope all their draft picks hit their stride at the same time so they have a ~2 year window to win a championship before their best players wind up on big market teams.

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ML. Is it possible for Factory Kawi to run 3 bikes? I may be wrong but haven’t they done it before and im sure their financially able to do it.

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Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS. MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of...

I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS.

MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of motocross, but the big lights, a lot of media coverage, it seems a lot more serious between the riders. It seems like you did it, nobody has heard if you are going back. The rumours say you are, maybe with Kawasaki, all sorts of different things. When do you make a decision or when do you make that decision, at what point in the season?

Prado: No, right now, my focus is on MXGP, and I wanted to get that experience, but right now, I want to focus on MXGP and defending my title. That is what I want, keep my mind on MXGP. I have no decisions, just focusing in winning my title.

Prado: Once I even know if I want to, or I see myself doing it, or if I get a good opportunity, then I would make a decision.

 

Lewis Hamilton also said at the end of last year that he was going to retire in Mercedes and would never drive for Ferrari... 

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It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

Multiple world championships counts for a hell of a lot more than anything the current crop of 250 riders has achieved.

3/17/2024 2:24am
Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS. MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of...

I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS.

MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of motocross, but the big lights, a lot of media coverage, it seems a lot more serious between the riders. It seems like you did it, nobody has heard if you are going back. The rumours say you are, maybe with Kawasaki, all sorts of different things. When do you make a decision or when do you make that decision, at what point in the season?

Prado: No, right now, my focus is on MXGP, and I wanted to get that experience, but right now, I want to focus on MXGP and defending my title. That is what I want, keep my mind on MXGP. I have no decisions, just focusing in winning my title.

Prado: Once I even know if I want to, or I see myself doing it, or if I get a good opportunity, then I would make a decision.

 

soyMotero wrote:

Lewis Hamilton also said at the end of last year that he was going to retire in Mercedes and would never drive for Ferrari... 

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He's young, he's fast, he is already a champion, he's got the look, speaks well enough.. I don't see why kawi wouldn't pour money into him since AC is done and Anderson is in the twilight of his career. I hope he does well right away! 

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Can't wait to watch him rip!!!!!!!

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Dirt_Dawg wrote:
I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS. MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of...

I guess he can't say yet? Or DV source is BS.

MXLarge: It is a series with a lot of intensity, maybe not the endurance of motocross, but the big lights, a lot of media coverage, it seems a lot more serious between the riders. It seems like you did it, nobody has heard if you are going back. The rumours say you are, maybe with Kawasaki, all sorts of different things. When do you make a decision or when do you make that decision, at what point in the season?

Prado: No, right now, my focus is on MXGP, and I wanted to get that experience, but right now, I want to focus on MXGP and defending my title. That is what I want, keep my mind on MXGP. I have no decisions, just focusing in winning my title.

Prado: Once I even know if I want to, or I see myself doing it, or if I get a good opportunity, then I would make a decision.

 

soyMotero wrote:

Lewis Hamilton also said at the end of last year that he was going to retire in Mercedes and would never drive for Ferrari... 

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Yea until Ferrari came at him with insane $$. Rumor of 100 million 

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

ando wrote:

Multiple world championships counts for a hell of a lot more than anything the current crop of 250 riders has achieved.

Vialle has multiple world championships. Can barely win a moto in the US

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Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time...

Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time starting in 2025. Outdoor championship contender right away?

Huge desperate mistake by Kawi. Its going to be bad. Nice guy but you can't skip 250 SX.  

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Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time...

Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time starting in 2025. Outdoor championship contender right away?

kage173 wrote:

Huge desperate mistake by Kawi. Its going to be bad. Nice guy but you can't skip 250 SX.  

He did exactly that earlier this year while preparing for the GP’s….. you are underestimating the skills a rider of prado’s calibre has. If he comes into sx healthy with a solid off season behind him he will be a 5-10 guy right away. Assuming he gets comfortable on the kawi quickly enough. 

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Spoonguy wrote:
It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger...

It is a statement to the ability, and marketability of American riders when Prado is signed for three years to a 450 while he is younger than some riders on Mitch's PC team. This basically states to all of Mitch's PC team that Kawasaki will not need them on a 450 ever.

ando wrote:

Multiple world championships counts for a hell of a lot more than anything the current crop of 250 riders has achieved.

kage173 wrote:

Vialle has multiple world championships. Can barely win a moto in the US

But still beating 99,99% of the AMA riders.

He wasn`t dominating every race in Europe either btw, just consistent.

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Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time...

Curious what other members of this esteemed community think of Jorge signing a three year deal with Kawasaki to start racing in the US full time starting in 2025. Outdoor championship contender right away?

kage173 wrote:

Huge desperate mistake by Kawi. Its going to be bad. Nice guy but you can't skip 250 SX.  

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Love the top riders in the world coming here.  Surprised he left KTM, but guaranteed there are 5 reasons - M. O. N. E. Y.   Huge contract I suspect.

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He did exactly that earlier this year while preparing for the GP’s….. you are underestimating the skills a rider of prado’s calibre has. If he comes...

He did exactly that earlier this year while preparing for the GP’s….. you are underestimating the skills a rider of prado’s calibre has. If he comes into sx healthy with a solid off season behind him he will be a 5-10 guy right away. Assuming he gets comfortable on the kawi quickly enough. 

You are underestimating 17 rds of 450SX. I lIke Prado. He is a special rider. But, unfortunately 450SX is unbelievably dangerous. And, I just think he's going to get hurt badly. This is a bad decision. 

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