Daytona Track map... are they on drugs.?

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Gators; you need some gators in the water hazards to get the full effect. Gotta give it that authentic Florida flavor.

Gators; you need some gators in the water hazards to get the full effect.

Gotta give it that authentic Florida flavor.Cool

If you're going to add Florida flavor, also hang a cantankerous anaconda over the finish line!

1911 wrote:
Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a...

Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a mobile joker lane around the track. 

You'd be looking at 22 DNFs with that track feature. Grinning

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3/1/2024 11:03pm
Gators; you need some gators in the water hazards to get the full effect. Gotta give it that authentic Florida flavor.

Gators; you need some gators in the water hazards to get the full effect.

Gotta give it that authentic Florida flavor.Cool

If you're going to add Florida flavor, also hang a cantankerous anaconda over the finish line!

1911 wrote:
Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a...

Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a mobile joker lane around the track. 

No  need, Friese will be on the track.

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If you're going to add Florida flavor, also hang a cantankerous anaconda over the finish line!

1911 wrote:
Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a...

Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a mobile joker lane around the track. 

No  need, Friese will be on the track.

Ouch! Grinning

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philG wrote:
Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in...

Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in a wall 10 seconds after the gate drops. 

And Weege is a journalist, its his job. 

Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee" guy is, but he should be locked in a mental health facility!

If anyone had a doubt about who's on drugs...

Laughing

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1911 wrote:
Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a...

Don’t leave out a 80 year old driving in the left lane with their blinker on 25 mph under the speed limit.👍. They could be a mobile joker lane around the track. 

No  need, Friese will be on the track.

Ouch! 

Ouch! Grinning

I was wrong, he wasn't on track!

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No  need, Friese will be on the track.

Ouch! 

Ouch! Grinning

I was wrong, he wasn't on track!

I noticed but don't know why.

Maybe they planned on having the gators and/or wandering octogenarian drivers on the course and didn't think they needed him? Grinning

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3/2/2024 11:45pm

track sucked

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philG wrote:
Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in...

Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in a wall 10 seconds after the gate drops. 

And Weege is a journalist, its his job. 

RACING wrote:
Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee"...

Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee" guy is, but he should be locked in a mental health facility!

If anyone had a doubt about who's on drugs...

Laughing

C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

Laughing

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philG wrote:
Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in...

Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in a wall 10 seconds after the gate drops. 

And Weege is a journalist, its his job. 

RACING wrote:
Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee"...

Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee" guy is, but he should be locked in a mental health facility!

If anyone had a doubt about who's on drugs...

Laughing

RACING wrote:
C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

Laughing

Still trying to count how many riders are in the LCQ's versus heat races.

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philG wrote:
Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in...

Because the week after we lose the Red Plate from landing on concrete, we are going to send 20 guys , through a fucking hole in a wall 10 seconds after the gate drops. 

And Weege is a journalist, its his job. 

RACING wrote:
Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee"...

Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee" guy is, but he should be locked in a mental health facility!

If anyone had a doubt about who's on drugs...

Laughing

RACING wrote:
C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

Laughing

Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening. 

Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment , and it shows. 

Nobody will ever change my mind, that having a racetrack go through a hole is a dumb idea, especially when you build the hole. 

 

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Double down!

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It worked so well that this is what they're building for the first turn for the next raceZach-Bell-2021-Glen-Helen-NGPC 0.jpg?VersionId=ldkPCLDDkmLa Q11YcP

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IMO the 1st turn was very wide and laid out more like a flat track turn with 2 turns and the tunnel was a long way from the turn for the pack to thin out.

Jett clipped a back wheel but he still had time to correct before the tunnel.

Another thing is I never noticed them actually putting lights inside the tunnel for riders to see before.

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philG wrote:
Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening.  Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment...

Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening. 

Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment , and it shows. 

Nobody will ever change my mind, that having a racetrack go through a hole is a dumb idea, especially when you build the hole. 

 

This might not be the sport for you. 

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3/3/2024 8:26am Edited Date/Time 3/3/2024 8:26am
philG wrote:
Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening.  Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment...

Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening. 

Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment , and it shows. 

Nobody will ever change my mind, that having a racetrack go through a hole is a dumb idea, especially when you build the hole. 

 

My predictions were totally wrong, I made a fool of myself in full drama queen mode, and still...

I’M RIGHT!

#lostcause

🤣

 

Let’s just say there are like a thousand things on an SX track that seem to offer more risks...

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RACING wrote:
Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee"...

Man, so many dreadful crashes in those stupid bridge's pillars, blood everywhere, painful to watch. The guys who built this are murderers! Dunno who that "Arsee" guy is, but he should be locked in a mental health facility!

If anyone had a doubt about who's on drugs...

Laughing

RACING wrote:
C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

C'mon, Phil, where are you? It's time for your mea culpa...

Laughing

philG wrote:
Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening.  Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment...

Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening. 

Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment , and it shows. 

Nobody will ever change my mind, that having a racetrack go through a hole is a dumb idea, especially when you build the hole. 

 

 Wow, just take the loss😂😂😂😂

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jjavaman wrote:

 Wow, just take the loss😂😂😂😂

Coming from the shrieking girl who gets their ass handed to them all day long, day after day....

 

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philG wrote:
Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening.  Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment...

Just because something didnt happen, does not mean there was no chance of it happening. 

Some of you have never had to do a risk assessment , and it shows. 

Nobody will ever change my mind, that having a racetrack go through a hole is a dumb idea, especially when you build the hole. 

 

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My predictions were totally wrong, I made a fool of myself in full drama queen mode, and still... I’M RIGHT! #lostcause 🤣   Let’s just say...

My predictions were totally wrong, I made a fool of myself in full drama queen mode, and still...

I’M RIGHT!

#lostcause

🤣

 

Let’s just say there are like a thousand things on an SX track that seem to offer more risks...

And that is the whole point 'seem to' 

Every part of an SX track is man made , and somebody makes the call on what can be done and what cant. 

Its SX, its a pro sport , and none of those guys are forced to turn up, but when they do, the expectation that the track should be as safe as it can, is a given. 

In my line of work we use an the acronym ALARP , which means 'as low as reasonably possible' . So you assess the likelihood of an event happening, against the outcomes if it does, and do the maths, and so when you look at ' how many riders go off the track between turn one and two on the first lap' using 2024 as your data set,  the probability of that happening is high, so saying 'it will be fine' is based on hope and fairy dust, not what we have already seen. 

As it turned out , how it looked on the map, against how it was in the layout , meant it didnt look as bad, but with no bridge, nobody is ever crashing in to it. 

Interestingly, the track invasion will now likely mean the risk of a spectator having a rider off now has to be considered. 

This is how it works, no matter how much you bleat ' but it never happened so you were wrong'. 

Trying not to hurt your participants with things that do not need to be there is key, there is a reason we dont have fucking boats on the side of the track any more. 

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jjavaman wrote:

 Wow, just take the loss😂😂😂😂

Magoofan wrote:

Coming from the shrieking girl who gets their ass handed to them all day long, day after day....

 

 Awwww am I supposed to be insulted 😂😂😂😂  what happened to your boi webb? Going to go for a record today and top 100 posts whining about the Aussie 😂😂😂

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I’m still upset about the tunnel.

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philG wrote:
And that is the whole point 'seem to'  Every part of an SX track is man made , and somebody makes the call on what can...

And that is the whole point 'seem to' 

Every part of an SX track is man made , and somebody makes the call on what can be done and what cant. 

Its SX, its a pro sport , and none of those guys are forced to turn up, but when they do, the expectation that the track should be as safe as it can, is a given. 

In my line of work we use an the acronym ALARP , which means 'as low as reasonably possible' . So you assess the likelihood of an event happening, against the outcomes if it does, and do the maths, and so when you look at ' how many riders go off the track between turn one and two on the first lap' using 2024 as your data set,  the probability of that happening is high, so saying 'it will be fine' is based on hope and fairy dust, not what we have already seen. 

As it turned out , how it looked on the map, against how it was in the layout , meant it didnt look as bad, but with no bridge, nobody is ever crashing in to it. 

Interestingly, the track invasion will now likely mean the risk of a spectator having a rider off now has to be considered. 

This is how it works, no matter how much you bleat ' but it never happened so you were wrong'. 

Trying not to hurt your participants with things that do not need to be there is key, there is a reason we dont have fucking boats on the side of the track any more. 

I chose « seem » just to be less assertive than you.

In truth, we all know lots of things ARE more dangerous in SX than the chance of hitting a bridge.

Just look at the injuries list over the years. Yeah, sure, so many of them are bridges victims.

 

You remind me of activists who explained very seriously, ages ago, that being hit by a Dakar racer was one of the biggest health risks for an african child...

🤣

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philG wrote:
And that is the whole point 'seem to'  Every part of an SX track is man made , and somebody makes the call on what can...

And that is the whole point 'seem to' 

Every part of an SX track is man made , and somebody makes the call on what can be done and what cant. 

Its SX, its a pro sport , and none of those guys are forced to turn up, but when they do, the expectation that the track should be as safe as it can, is a given. 

In my line of work we use an the acronym ALARP , which means 'as low as reasonably possible' . So you assess the likelihood of an event happening, against the outcomes if it does, and do the maths, and so when you look at ' how many riders go off the track between turn one and two on the first lap' using 2024 as your data set,  the probability of that happening is high, so saying 'it will be fine' is based on hope and fairy dust, not what we have already seen. 

As it turned out , how it looked on the map, against how it was in the layout , meant it didnt look as bad, but with no bridge, nobody is ever crashing in to it. 

Interestingly, the track invasion will now likely mean the risk of a spectator having a rider off now has to be considered. 

This is how it works, no matter how much you bleat ' but it never happened so you were wrong'. 

Trying not to hurt your participants with things that do not need to be there is key, there is a reason we dont have fucking boats on the side of the track any more. 

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I chose « seem » just to be less assertive than you. In truth, we all know lots of things ARE more dangerous in SX than...

I chose « seem » just to be less assertive than you.

In truth, we all know lots of things ARE more dangerous in SX than the chance of hitting a bridge.

Just look at the injuries list over the years. Yeah, sure, so many of them are bridges victims.

 

You remind me of activists who explained very seriously, ages ago, that being hit by a Dakar racer was one of the biggest health risks for an african child...

🤣

You can’t really compare it to most other times a bridge has been used in SX as they are hardly ever used in this situation, where riders are going through it 3 or 4 wide straight after the start. Putting the bridge there is clearly more dangerous than not putting it there, and there was no reason for it to be there, so why take the risk? Seems like a reasonable suggestion. 
 

It’s alright suggesting afterwards that because nobody hit it, it wasn’t potentially dangerous, but that’s not true. By the same logic you could surround the whole track with shark infested waters and as long as nobody falls in and gets eaten, it’s not dangerous. Nobody thinks these things are dangerous until something happens then everyone points the finger asking why it was there 

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The 90 after the bridge meant speeds would be pretty low when going through. Set up was fine

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You should see the amature track. Incredibly poor design this year. Even if it were dry it would suck. I woulda rather rode the roached out version of last night. 

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And lets not forget Swoll nearly getting wiped out by a mule on the last lap, when battling Anstie, because someone crashed off the top of the bridge we didnt need. That almost handed a point to Anstie, that would have seen him retain the Red plate, had Bennick going down not already done that. 

You see how this works, right? 

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3/4/2024 1:39am Edited Date/Time 3/4/2024 1:40am
soggy wrote:

The 90 after the bridge meant speeds would be pretty low when going through. Set up was fine

The 90 after the bridge (2nd corner on the start) was shit. That’s what I had issues with- it was obvious it would be one lined and it turned out that way. That corner effectively stopped moves being made early. The rest of the track was great.

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The only problem I had with the bridge was how it blocked the TV view of the quad....

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