Stark Orders and Payments

Another try :

It sure as hell isn't a Stark Varg.

But, it may not weigh that much more than the 410 Hima, and the new 450 Hima / Sherpa - they ain't no lightweights.

The HIM-E is not a prototype prefiguring a production bike, it's more of a lab experiment to test stuff.

Royal Enfield is supposed to release its first electric motorcycle next year, should be a light commuter.

Wow. Do you mind sharing the breakdown of those dealer fee's in you're area? I'm seeing nowhere near that amount in my research regarding Stark dealer fee's. I'd appreciate it if you can share your experience. What was your total OTD with your stark?

Some of those waiting paid in full when Stark told them their bike was "ready for production".  What Stark forgot to tell them is that they couldn't ship to the State where they live...so they have paid in full and are still waiting on a bike.  Some have been waiting for over 12 weeks, and counting, since they paid in full.
Seems to me that Stark should be proactively looking for a solution for those folks rather than just letting them dangle...it shouldn't be up to the customer to have to do the logistics on a fully paid for order.

Which means it was probably built a while ago. 

If you look at how many bikes they built the first 3 months vs the last 3 months you will see a steady increase in # bikes built. Not that hard to believe they could build 10000 a year. 

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I will bet you $100 they don't.

Over 800 bikes produced in November.

For those struggling with maths,

800 x 12 = 9 600 bikes per year.

The only assumption here is that they did not ramp up in the past 3 months.

You're welcome.

I don’t know how either of us would prove it. I’m not saying they’ll sell 10,000 but based on available info I can make an educated guess they could produce that many. 

Where is that - " over 800 bikes produced in November"  ,  information coming from ?

just curious

Varg monthly production

Sept 2023: 500

Oct 2023: 520

Nov 2023: >800

Here is Stark November monthly production update vid, you can find others in their feed (I've posted them here but they're hidden by the usual)

Actually the only assumption I can find is they are going to produce 800 x 12. 

We are supposed to take Starks #'s as gospel but how would we ever know. LMAO! Maybe somebody with a VIN over 10K would give you a fuking clue.

Well they haven’t been at full scale production for a full year yet so obviously there isn’t a vin higher then 10k yet. 

Tell me you don't understand what production capacity means without telling me you don't understand what production capacity means.

For those of you that ordered through Stark and were pushed to a dealer, did the dealer honor your Stark price? Or did the dealer charge the new MSRP or another amount?

The price was honored and my dealer is not charging a setup/build fee. Only had an extra $150 documentation fee.

Picking mine up on Friday!

Stark price was honored. NY dealer now shipping to my house in PA. Was going to have $200 set up fees, but not now. I ordered on day one. April fools day estimated delivery. Still pisses me off that people have bikes before me who didn't order as soon as I did. Life isn't always fair, it is what it is.

Anyone updated software yet? They are telling it will add range.

I'd imagine Mr. Haskell would be on top of that, but I haven't seen him post much on here for awhile. Probably due to pecker heads that he doesn't want to deal with.

My dealer told me up front in December (2023) that he would honor my price.  He did and I picked the bike up a few weeks ago (crated).

Today my customer that has been waiting on his Varg came by with it. Gray with left hand brake.  Keep in mind I'm 6'9" and 300 pounds. But lifting it off the stand felt similar to a 450 to me. I could feel the extra weight  but its not too bad. Putting it onto the stand after a moto might be when I would really feel the extra weight.  It is muddy here and ice and snow still. And the customer has not ridden it himself yet so I was not able to try it . But sitting on it , the controls , everything felt great. Not really any news there.  I like how smooth the bike is underneath and it looks like it should be an easy bike to wash. 

Ma. was one of 9 states that where having issues and it was because of the direct to consumer sales. And other stuff earlier on that was regulations related . According to my customer Stark will be going to dealer only model of sales nationwide. Auto dealerships have fought to have laws made to make customer direct sales not legal.  It's been talked  about on here before with Tesla.  But he had put the money down the second day that they were taking orders. And he ended up going to the dealer that Beagle posted about in MA and getting one that was there in the specs that he wanted. MINT in the dealership. and they have a couple more available.  He was pretty bummed at Stark for going over the people who had early faith in them. But I got the feeling that he will be happy as long as there are not any other blunders. He knows its a first year model and is going into the year as a learning experience.

I'm pretty sure that all of the New England MX series are non AMA they were the last I checked. The customer is involved with one of the local originations and will be racing open CC classes that are age restricted.  He was saying that he normally puts about an hour per day on his gas bike at the races. That he is keeping the gas bike too. And he figures that He will experiment with how he charges the bike. As far as charging at the halfway, or a little between each moto, or maybe try a day without charging at all. 

We talked about the lack of noise thing. And  how it makes it harder for flaggers or medics to know when a bike is coming up behind them.  That was something I do not remember coming up . I could have missed somebody saying that before though. But that is something to think about. After getting hit at a National, I make sure that I never have my back towards a direction that bikes could come from. And it shouldn't really be much of an issue.    

Glad to hear he finally got his bike after all this, will you show us what the bike looks like after you took care of it?

Straight from Anton, of course.

I have to ask him. I might have to wait a little while.  He made a point of telling me that only the dealer, me and his buddy that came with him knew he had it. And he asked me not to use his name in any posts. That might be more for my company page than on here. He said he did not want to get caught up in any online drama.  He is just a regular guy that keeps a low profile. He was fine with me posting photos as long as nothing could identify him.  He might just want to find a way to tell his wife before she hears it from somebody else. 

I'm just doing graphics on it. He got a guts seat cover.  A unique color combination , kinda busy design , but its one he has based his graphics off for years now and likes to keep a similar look no matter the brand. He keeps stuff simple and is not going to change a ton. 

He was told that a new update is coming that will offer sensitivity adjustment for the throttle. To help guys when running a lower power setting be able to get the pop they want . That and traction control  was another thing he said will be in an update that is coming sometime in the spring. I imagine that more and more adjustability will be available as more people get more time on the bikes as long as they stay reliable.        

Latest push has been into March. I’m told it’s in the US though. Not really surprised, it’s been this process since August. Reserved first hour when it was available to put in deposits. I don’t anticipate pickup in March given the history.

I did ride one for several laps a couple months ago and that totally sealed the deal. 

Is that the good-looking articulate guy who happens to be fast on a motorcycle?

There is a Stark available on Facebook right now for $13.500 OBO sitting at a dealer in MA is anyone is interested. 

He hasn't posted a video on YouTube for a while. Probably life got in the way or the influencer checks stopped coming in (I'll go with A).