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How deep of a hole are you going to continue to dig?
The reason you think the guys he beat are somehow sub par to the competition we’ve seen in the last 15-20 years is a byproduct of his dominance. He beat the very best the world had to offer at that time, what is so hard to understand about that? Just like any other era. Still the King.
Beyond the race wins and championships…there is infinite value in honoring the past, because when the sport stops honoring and respecting its past, it will lose its soul.
How old are you OP?
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You can’t be serious.
You asked a question that comes down to you asking…”How”…”Why”…do people still think he’s relevant…still “The King”…you go on to state that what MC did IS NOT the same as Tomac and other more recent winners have done or accomplished.
“How is it that we equate 90's supercross to the ~2010 and onward era of full factory race teams, training facility living, and 15/20 riders on the gate being some form of past or current champion. Mcgrath did not line up against 17 factory bikes or whatever it is. I'm not saying the guy sucks but come on. A1 had the entire top 10 within one second of the lap times at one point.”
People explained how and why they see MC as “still” significant and expanded on why he’s “The King”…&…still…you either don’t get it or don’t want to…?
Btw, you certainly seem to take it personal in the sense you’re making that statement about others (I’m using Samuel Clemens’ kind of observational thinking).
Since MC’s reign, the sport…the Discipline of Supercross …HAS NOT changed as much as you seem to think. The engines have changed, sure…that’s true. The bikes have gotten a little heavier and a bit quicker, right? Let you in on a little secret, the rapid advancement of the bikes took place about a decade BEFORE MC.
Then there’s the tracks..
The tracks have become super groomed sub-one-minute TV specials…but, they’re still SX as we knew it even back then…hell, the SMX track at LA Coliseum kinda made that point, didn’t it?
Another thing that’s hilariously missed: MC was one of THE test riders/development riders…ESPECIALLY at Honda….well into the “era/eras after him” and still contributes in this current era. I remember seeing him and the infamous “plain white Honda Rig” out a various locations testing stuff…and that wasn’t that long ago. Nowadays, we all see him at Kawi…where he still contributes.
Then there’s what we had here, this week, where El Hombre laid down EXACTLY why Jeremy is The King, why he’s Relevant…especially to those SX champions & competitors that have come after him & that obviously includes Jett…
Here it is: 72
Mentally...or in actual years?
I don't think it's an age thing, just maybe the most quality trolling since XMikeX
I will forever die on the sword that Tomac, Stewart, & RC's wins (51/50/48 respectively) are far more impressive than MCs 72 wins
And that guy they call Bubba
And just when you think you had heard all stupidity there was on this topic....
idk man i guess you and i can sit in the corner together since the hivemind hates us lol
I don't think anyone hates you, it just seems the VAST majority of people think your opinion is stupid....because it is.
I can somewhat follow you on Stewart and RCs wins being more impressive - because they were battling each other and some of the other greats, but when you stop and think about how many wins Stewart left on the table, it slides back to MCs being more impressive. Not only did MC have to be the fastest, he had to do it while being in control - something Stewart couldn't figure out.
He's the King, no ifs, and's, or buts about it.
Agreed. Disagreement ≠ hate.
Seeing someone have an objectively wrong opinion does not garner that level of emotion.
It is the cool word. For a 15 year old who cant understand a different opinion.
It took MC 8 years between his first win and his last win to get to 72.
If someone did that in todays SX landscape would it be more or less impressive? So say if Jett won 71 more races by 2032 would that be more or less of a feat? If Tomac wanted to accomplish this same feat he would've had to win 21 more races by the end of this year. I think it would be more impressive when you look at how far the sport has come with bikes being all pretty even now and fitness being what it is for every single guy, I don't think MC himself would ever say the sport hasn't elevated to new levels since he raced.
Does that make his record any less impressive or his legacy, no but its different now.
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The impressiveness of competition debate suffers because MC's trick with his speed and technique was to blitz and let the other guys knock themselves out of the series overriding trying to catch him. Less of that happened in the 2000s, although injuries always advantage the last guy standing with the point lead. He just was that much better, and not because the competition was lesser. It was just a different way of being the dominant guy.
RC raced SX big class from 1999-2007; Stew from 2005 to I think 2016. They only raced each other in a three year overlap, and then Stew did not race every round in those three years. They don't offset each other as much as folks assume, and frankly Reed is to RC and Stew what Lusk and Windham were to MC over his prime career.
What is not different now are the changes to SX that MC brought, and redrawing the target from the 90s to the 2000s is only a neat rhetorical trick to keep an argument aligned to one's position.
Plus the Jesus MC can holeshot wheelying on water . . .
Are you losing sleep over Mcgrath being called the king? Quit trying to draw a line between past and present because the present is intertwined with the past still to this day because no one has beat Mcgrath's record and in the present, riders have more chances to win in a single season than he did.
Until 72 wins has been beaten, Long live the king.
We just discovered this Jett posting as "OwenJakes" !!!.
Ok you win. You think McGrath is average and shouldn't be called the king.
Next....
Yeah his posting style is very familiar....He comes and goes in here with multiple names, blows up a thread arguing with everyone soon to disappear and then come back with a new name but the same baiting style and argument style....
Everyone stop feeding this troll, this is like his 6th or 7th username he always comes back with a thread like this and argues with everybody that has an opinion different than his...he'll be gone soon only to reappear down the road with another name but the same baiting posting style...
Oh, Mike was always Mike. Hence the Xs
Don't forget Karen Lawrence
Yes Mike was Mike and this guy is RobertCoates and all his other names he's had...
Don maybe you can ask other riders their opinions on this for the next episode of swapmotolive
You've had so many usernames that I can't remember them all...maybe you can remind us of what they were...
Nah I'm not that guy lol. you're such a sly little detective though hehe
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