With their recent announcement of moving more production and R&D to India and China, at what point will we consider them another ‘Asian’ motorcycle manufacturer? The financial justification is obvious, the average annual pay for manufacturing jobs in India is less than $4K per year…….
https://www.advrider.com/piere-mobility-cuts-euro-jobs-moves-more-ktm-h…
Inflation in the EU has been worse than in the US since Covid. Energy cost in the EU was already higher but with the Russian sanctions and rush to "green" energy it is driving the cost even higher. Meanwhile India is building lots of coal plants (and China already did) and China is pushing to build a lot of nuclear plants.
That’s what I want to live next to. A “Made in China” nuclear power plant.
I think it’s a real misconception that everything from China is Junk.. people used to think that about Japan too don’t forget..
Definitely cheap crap can come from China, but that doesn’t mean they can’t produce top quality things. Some of China’s new Electric Cars are very impressive. It won’t matter where they are produced, the quality won’t change.
Unfotunately, in order to purchase one you will have to take part in what is bringing our society to an end.
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As long as the company is headquartered in Austria, it's an Austrian company. You don't think GM is Korean, do you?
Is nike and apple chinese? All their shit is made in china. The companies are located in the us tho.
Never hear people saying Toyota is an american vehicle manufacturer and they make lots of vehicles here.
Do you consider Toyota a US brand?
KTM is and will always be a Euro brand regardless of where it’s made.
I wonder if the change be reflected in the MSRP? Or will bikes made in China/India now be the most expensive on the market (lol)?
It already is on bikes made in their factories located in Asia. MX bikes are made in Austria still, all of their racing lines are. Dukes and such are made in Asia, as reflected in their prices.
Do people not realize all their competitors of their Asian manufacturered bikes are also made outside of Japan? Such as Thailand? and China....?
Do you think the Japanese companies make all of their bikes in Japan? Take a look at a Grom, Z125, TTR-125, etc...
Globalization is real.
KTM also doesn't exist in that $3k price range though
KTM 200 Duke is $4k in the US. That’s pretty cheap.
Sure they do.
They may not be available in your market, but the cheapest KTMs available globally are below $2k.
oh my good it’s made in asia… the horror 😱
just about everything is made in Asia/China, even components in the F35! At this point nothing is 100% american made and for those of us that remember US made Oldsmobuicks made since the 70s you would know that isn’t a bad thing.
I believe Honda 110 pit bikes say made in China on the steering head.
This. When a company is from Austria there is not much to consider if its european or not
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I mean I kind of get it: KTM is 49% Bajaj, so this one is a razor thin distinction.
I don't consider Royal Enfield a british brand at this point.
What components on the F35 are made in China?
My RAM 2500 truck was made in Mexico by a company headquartered in the Netherlands (Stellantis). If you told the dude down the road from me he was driving a Mexi-Socialist truck he'd shoot you.
I have friends who work in the mountain bike industry, engineering etc. From what they tell me, essentially at this point the best carbon frame manufacturing techniques are in Taiwan, hands down. Western nations failed to build facilities to build carbon frames at scale, and we never invested in the equipment and hence don't even have the knowledge or labor. A few companies have tried local US-based carbon fiber frame manufacturing, such as Guerrilla Gravity, who just announced they were shutting down ops last month.
The Made in China=Poor Quality is a tired trope that is no longer accurate.
I have Hondas made in Japan, the U.S. & Brazil. They’re a Japanese company.
I have Kawasakis made in Japan, the U.S. & Thailand. They’re a Japanese company.
If you gonna only have 1 post. This is probably the one to have.
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It was an alloy used in an electric motor magnet that's use was discontinued and did not significantly effect production:
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/07/pentagon-f-35-deliveries-chine….
Yeah that article makes it sound like there are no more China components on the F-35 the part was discontinued
Or Apple Chinese?
Technically if the company is headquartered in a certain country then sure you’ll be able to say that’s the products nation, but if hypothetically you told me 99% of Toyotas workforce and manufacturing was in US, yea I’m gonna call it a US brand.
Obviously KTM hasn’t outsourced 99% of their work, but at a certain %, the reality of what’s actually happening sets in and it gets harder to logically call them an Austrian company.
Might as well be....you'd be surprised how many of the parts on GMs are made in China. Just as an example had brake issues on my new Chev Express since new...most parts made in...guess where?
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