SX Pro's and sending new jumps during Mains.

I just came across the 2009 New Orleans SX recap. I was reminded of how often Reed had an obligation to jump something new during the Main to have a better shot at winning. Reed was the best at mimicking a new line. Stewart was seat-bouncing from the first whoop of a dragons-back and launching to the single after it to set up another triple before the big triple. Stewart first jumped it on the 2nd lap right in front of Reed. Reed, seeing this for the first time, doubled the section that lap. Got back behind Stewart going into the section and sent it clean right behind Stewart without hesitation. He didn't win the race. But it was one of the many times I've seen Reed rise to the occasion and jump something new during the Main Event by looking at it once. He's done it a lot in his career.

2003 St. Louis: Reed wasn't jumping a rhythm section fast like Carmichael. During the Main he followed Ricky over it the next lap once he saw it & won the race after that.

2006 St. Louis: Reed wasn't jumping the triple out of the turn after the whoops all day until he was up front during the Main. Carmichael, Stewart and others were jumping it no problem. Reed had to jump it or he knew he wasn't going to have a shot at the win.

2007 Indianapolis: Stewart again throwing a few new rhythm sections together during the main for a large advantage. This was one of the first times we saw a rider completely jump over a step-on step-off.. Reed didn't jump that one, but there was a bigger rhythm section Stewart was putting 3 triples together. No one had jumped it all day, and Stewart threw it together during the Main. Stewart wasn't gaining any time on Reed, so he sacked up and jumped it. Gained a ton of time on Reed and set up a pass laps later. Reed saw the rhythm after he got passed and the following lap Reed attempted it, but it was too sketchy and didn't attempt again.

 

Who else has done this in recent years? The guys now, usually jump everything in practice/qualifying and leave no "undiscovered" lines left.

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Didn't Kenny do the quad onto the table top at the last round of the SMX in LA, followed Jett saw the line then jumped it clean for the first time 2 laps later.

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I think it’s due to intensity level during a race..

Even us slow folk- I may not be jumping a double or whatever during practice, but during the moto I am far more focused and adrenaline flowing I have no issue jumping things I normally wouldn’t do during practice ..

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Brad460 wrote:
I think it’s due to intensity level during a race.. Even us slow folk- I may not be jumping a double or whatever during practice, but...

I think it’s due to intensity level during a race..

Even us slow folk- I may not be jumping a double or whatever during practice, but during the moto I am far more focused and adrenaline flowing I have no issue jumping things I normally wouldn’t do during practice ..

Man have I been that same guy many times lol you surprise yourself really and then think why was I not doing that already haha 

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11/9/2023 1:16pm Edited Date/Time 11/9/2023 1:17pm

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

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Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.   I think...

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

Yup I remember that one too. The last guys I remember who did it often were Carmichael, Stewart, Reed and Windham. 

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Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.   I think...

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

This was the first thing that came to mind when I opened this thread. That kind of ability to instantly respond is a rare and impressive talent. 

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Villopoto had a big get-off trying a rhythm Stew was doing at monster cup that one year..

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Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.   I think...

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

This was the first thing that came to mind when I opened this thread. That kind of ability to instantly respond is a rare and impressive...

This was the first thing that came to mind when I opened this thread. That kind of ability to instantly respond is a rare and impressive talent. 

Yeah for sure. I wish we had a motocross term to use for when a guy does it.

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scootch wrote:

Villopoto had a big get-off trying a rhythm Stew was doing at monster cup that one year..

I was thinking of the same one, that thing was huge.   
RV jumped it to stay in touch with Stew, but eventually clipped the landing.

That was the same year Dungey missed the Joker lane, then RV missed it in the next race.
No way to know for sure, but I've always thought Villopoto realized he missed it, lost focus and crashed as a result.

 

 

 

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kxking wrote:
Didn't Kenny do the quad onto the table top at the last round of the SMX in LA, followed Jett saw the line then jumped it...

Didn't Kenny do the quad onto the table top at the last round of the SMX in LA, followed Jett saw the line then jumped it clean for the first time 2 laps later.

No Jett did it the last lap in practice and was the first to do it in the main.

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Not sure but it seems like every race at one point you will hear RC will talk about a rider being passed and how that rider can now watch and try to follow the faster line/rhythm of who he was passed by. Usually said rider won't follow the line of the one who passed him lol

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kxking wrote:
Didn't Kenny do the quad onto the table top at the last round of the SMX in LA, followed Jett saw the line then jumped it...

Didn't Kenny do the quad onto the table top at the last round of the SMX in LA, followed Jett saw the line then jumped it clean for the first time 2 laps later.

Myke wrote:

No Jett did it the last lap in practice and was the first to do it in the main.

Yes Jett was doing it consistently, but Kenny didn't do the quad until halfway through Moto 1 when he saw he was loosing time not quading.

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I've done that in AX before. Practice and heats never did the big line. The main event comes around, stands are full, gate drops, get the holeshot and adrenaline pumping, and uncork the big line first lap without thinking. Adrenaline is powerful! 

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at LA SMX, Kenny told me he really didn't want to do the quad-onto-tabletop but he was going to get smoked if he didn't. That's usually how it goes. They aren't jumping it out of fear and risk but eventually they are forced to make a decision on how relevant they want to be that night.

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Jt$ wrote:
at LA SMX, Kenny told me he really didn't want to do the quad-onto-tabletop but he was going to get smoked if he didn't. That's usually...

at LA SMX, Kenny told me he really didn't want to do the quad-onto-tabletop but he was going to get smoked if he didn't. That's usually how it goes. They aren't jumping it out of fear and risk but eventually they are forced to make a decision on how relevant they want to be that night.

I was sitting right in front of that jump. It was scary just watching them do it, I can’t even imagine actually being the guy to do it every lap. Watching Adam do it one time was probably the scariest moment of the night though. 

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11/10/2023 6:45am

At one of the first rounds in supercross this year, wasnt either Eli or Kenny going three onto a table, over a single, then onto another table? Tomac ended up crashing doing it

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Some of these guys see things others do not.

One year at Daytona EIDave and I were walking the track and I stopped at a jump and said to him this is jumpable. He said no way and we walked on. It ended up JS7 thought the same thing and he was the only one jumping it and as I remember he also crashed doing it in the main while leading.

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Hands down the best part of watching SX! Loved the Reed / Stewart battles and new lines as the race progressed. Kenny / Jett was the last one that I recall as mentioned above.

What I wouldn't give to hear Ralph Sheheen hollering "Reed and Stewart bar to bar through the woops!" again LOL!! Going to watch the "Bar to Bar" DVD's again this weekend. Best era of MX/SX. Hopefully someone can break out and give Jett a rivalry like this. Eli?

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Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.   I think...

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

That race was about to be so epic! Then the wind was out of the sails just like that. Being a huge Stew fan, those nights when he was on like that only to throw it away were tough to watch. Daytona wall jump comes to mind..

Another K-dub moment was when he had a big one trying to scrub the triple behind stew that one year. In Atlanta during the heat race i think? That one was brutal

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I think these guys all know HOW to do these big rhythms but they have so many hours and scenarios of riding that their risk management is very advanced. They know the percentage of it going smooth vs time gained vs how big of a crash it could be that its a sliding scale depending how the race is going aka not going to do it if I don't have to. 

You see this a lot in DH mountain bike racing, guys will pull out a huge gap that they didn't do in practice or anything to not give it away. They just have so much experience to draw from they pretty much know the run up and speed needed. 

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At one of the first rounds in supercross this year, wasnt either Eli or Kenny going three onto a table, over a single, then onto another...

At one of the first rounds in supercross this year, wasnt either Eli or Kenny going three onto a table, over a single, then onto another table? Tomac ended up crashing doing it

Yeah, A2. Kenny did it first in practice which is atypical for him. 

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Brad460 wrote:
I think it’s due to intensity level during a race.. Even us slow folk- I may not be jumping a double or whatever during practice, but...

I think it’s due to intensity level during a race..

Even us slow folk- I may not be jumping a double or whatever during practice, but during the moto I am far more focused and adrenaline flowing I have no issue jumping things I normally wouldn’t do during practice ..

I remember doing this at Fox Raceway.  In practice I wasn't hitting a few doubles.  In the first moto, first lap I hit them all, and felt comfortable doing it.  Something about the adrenaline and focus.

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Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.   I think...

Kevin Windham 2011 Vegas. Stewart uncorked three incredible lines like he did in Toronto that night ans KDub hit them all next lap.

 

I think he could have had a good shot at winning but hit Stew’s bike when James crashed in the whoops. It’s tough to appreciate it without watching all the racing that night where people were doing simpler lines. 
 

https://youtu.be/Fs5rhdTlaUQ?si=IVZkOy2nN8U-QyEk

HonDawg17 wrote:

Yup I remember that one too. The last guys I remember who did it often were Carmichael, Stewart, Reed and Windham. 

Man those were the good old days, when all 4 of them were on the line. Epicness.

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11/10/2023 9:30am Edited Date/Time 11/10/2023 9:48am

^^^2005 Pontiac Supercross was insane.^^^

I was responding to the 4 Legends on the gate at one time.

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^^ Maybe be more specific??

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Whats way more impressive is the rider that finds and jumps these new lines in the first place. 
watching/following some one over a jump youve never hit before makes it a million times easier. It takes out 90% of the guess work.   

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At one of the first rounds in supercross this year, wasnt either Eli or Kenny going three onto a table, over a single, then onto another...

At one of the first rounds in supercross this year, wasnt either Eli or Kenny going three onto a table, over a single, then onto another table? Tomac ended up crashing doing it

This one ? My son caught it on his cell phone

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn_PRwYrQbm/

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11/11/2023 3:55am

Don't mean to derail this thread, but seeing those references from some monster cup races has me wondering if there is anywhere we can watch those races again? I would like to see the whole Stew/Villo battle instead of just highlights!

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