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I remember watching a go pro of Kurt caselli hitting those during a worcs race i believe. Probably around 2010ish?
Glen Helen is awesome with allmof the elevation changes, and that humongous step up 10 or 12 years ago was mind blowing. They flew so far!
I'm not saying that Pala has anything on Glen Helen as a national track.
But, the racing has been good there, and it's actually a fun track to ride.
Grant was epic on the jump and Yes KDub would fling it over that too. I remember one year he came back around on a parade lap after the race after putting on a hell of show for everyone standing there. He stopped at the top of Whitney and waved to everybody. A few of us hopped the fence and pushed him down to bump it
By the way, I love watching GH races and would way rather the SoCal National played out there. But nether MxSports nor Bud owe me that however much I want that and a pony
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That sounds about right. I watched YouTube clips from 07 and 08, but it wasn't those years.
LMAO at the people who worship MXA and Bud claiming bias about this issue.
I have no idea what the specifics of the conflict between Bud and MXsports are. I suspect it comes down to money. I vaguely remember something about Bud wanting some vending/concession rights not allowed at the other nationals...but I'm probably just confused...my normal state.
A national has to bring in some decent cheddar...even a busy track like GH would benefit. There's got to be more to the story. I would imagine Jody knows but he might be a bit biased. I don't think he'd lie about it but he might not tell the WHOLE story.
I have no horse in this race, and always believe there are two sides to every argument.
With that being said, I remember reading an MXA article that said the Coombs family was going to bid for the National Rights (from the AMA) on behalf of a group that represented all of the National tracks.
According to the article, The Coombs family came back and said that the National group (that they represented) was outbid by another group owned by.... the Coombs family.
Now that is only one side of the story, and the article is available online. I am certain that the Coombs family has another side to the story.
ehhh that can't be completely right
When the outdoors were for sale, I know that the NPG was a bidder, but Daytona Motorsports Group were sold the rights, who then turned it over to MX Sports. I'm not sure how the relationship with DMG and MX Sports come to be, or if the NPG was considered at all, but to say MX Sports outbid NPG doesn't seem to be accurate
That story is wrong, and falsely spun by MXA and Bud years after the fact. My recollection is that article came off when Bud's gambit to turn to run GPs after the first breach cratered after 2009. Moreover, MXSports and Glen Helen reinstituted nationals at GH after that article ran until the relationship breached again.
There is no chance Bud would not have sued at the time if it was true that he was in a partnership and another partner stole the opportunity. In no world can I imagine Bud wanting to be a partner with fiduciary duties requiring him to subordinate his own and Glen Helen's interests to the supposed NPG partnership's interests as whole as a whole.
AMA refused to deal away MX separately and required the buyer of AMA Pro Racing to buy it lock stack and barrel with every AMA Pro Racing discipline (apart from SX, which rights already had been sold). No pro motocross entity, including competing bidder Youthstream, was willing to do that, and it was pretty much down to the Daytona Group, who wanted the AMA Pro Racing road racing, not motocross.
I only know what I've read here and other places but it seems like Glen Helen wanted to be able to sell a bunch of VIP Areas and Vendor spots on their own without any thought for the contracts/obligations the MXSports already has in place for the Nationals.
I think it's very telling that most National Tracks stay on the circuit for DECADES and seem to be happy to do so, yet...Glen Helen can't seem to make it work. Why would all these other track owners be cool with working with MXSports if they are so shitty like Glen Helen and MXA want us to believe?
All that said, Glen Helen is a bad ass track and I wish it were on the National schedule.
It's a full on shame that pride/greed/whatever keeps Glen Helen off the National schedule...
Well there ya go. I was only going by the one article that still appears online. I am sure that is a biased account, I just did not know to what degree.
I've wondered about this and asked about it on here multiple times.
Edit: didn't see FTE's comment. Interesting points, but still just conjecture. I think he's a lawyer, so I appreciate the points from a legal perspective
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Not sure why you would laughing at anything in this thread, it was about RV2 and Glen Helen as his favorite National track.......
Then you chirped in.........good Lord.
If it wasn't him it woulda been someone else. You can't mention GH without folks wondering why such an iconic track isn't on the schedule.
Absolutely .... Bring the AMA National back to Glen Helen!!
Just saw the GH email referencing this forum chain and they make it feel like it's possibility to get GH back on the national schedule.
For the greater good of the sport and continue to move it forward and grow, there needs to be an outdoor national at GH every summer.
Please, pretty please, make this happen. 🙏
Absolutely 💯!
Fox/Pala is a joke compared to Glen Helen. The local Indians running the Fox track hate us, you can tell by their attitude. Flat, no hills, booooring.
Glen Helen is old school, REAL motocross. The people running it really try, and put pride into hosting quality events like the World Vet MX championships and the Two-Stroke World championships, and the 24hr Endurance race.
Quality track, quality soil, quality staff, and an iconic history!
Bring back the Nat to the Glen!
I really haven't heard the rider's complaining about Pala. The problem is for the fans...a lot of the track is just not good for viewing. Banner placement blocks everything but shoulders and helmets. Probably 1/3 of the track has no spectator access at all.
I also just got the GH email referencing this forum discussion. Since they said CHIME IN WITH YOUR THOUGHTS!!! I assume they will be watching it.
I say - Yes!! Bring back the GH National!!
Is there a way to make this a poll?
Scroll down...there already is one.
Bring it back!
In a futile attempt to bring this back to the original topic- RV is a bad mofo, and bad mofo's like to be tested. Therefore he loves the rough and tumble GH! Those you don't like the challenge, don't.
P.S.- BRING THE NATS BACK TO GH!!
Wow, I thought you guys were joking 😃
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