Let Ken bye

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9/17/2023 11:26pm Edited Date/Time 9/17/2023 11:27pm

I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it.

Surely Jett finishing 1st with Kenny in 2nd, between him and Chase, is still better for Jett from a points perspective? Kenny is still in front of Chase, and Jett is further up on points? I guess I'm misunderstanding things.

They're all free to do what they wanna do and I'm not gonna insult anyone over it, but it seemed pretty weak.

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Richy wrote:
I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it. Surely Jett finishing...

I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it.

Surely Jett finishing 1st with Kenny in 2nd, between him and Chase, is still better for Jett from a points perspective? Kenny is still in front of Chase, and Jett is further up on points? I guess I'm misunderstanding things.

They're all free to do what they wanna do and I'm not gonna insult anyone over it, but it seemed pretty weak.

You are. It is NOT single moto scoring. Chase finished 2-3 which means Kenny would have finished  2nd overall even with a 3-2 because of the better second moto finish. So letting him by had zero impact on the points. 

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Richy wrote:
I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it. Surely Jett finishing...

I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it.

Surely Jett finishing 1st with Kenny in 2nd, between him and Chase, is still better for Jett from a points perspective? Kenny is still in front of Chase, and Jett is further up on points? I guess I'm misunderstanding things.

They're all free to do what they wanna do and I'm not gonna insult anyone over it, but it seemed pretty weak.

Mavetism wrote:
You are. It is NOT single moto scoring. Chase finished 2-3 which means Kenny would have finished  2nd overall even with a 3-2 because of the...

You are. It is NOT single moto scoring. Chase finished 2-3 which means Kenny would have finished  2nd overall even with a 3-2 because of the better second moto finish. So letting him by had zero impact on the points. 

Because he "thought" at the time he'd be increasing the gap between him and Chase, or something lol.  But yeah I agree we're watching the lead battle tighten up, then the leader waves second place by right as it's getting good ?  We we're saying wtf just like the guys in the booth, Ricky - "clutch works, looks like his brake works, he shifted gears it's not that", wtf ? why'd he do that ? What a jip lol  I was bummed I was looking forward to a battle royal the last couple laps, then I found out he let him by on purpose..... it put me in a bad mood honestly, "this isn't what I want to watch, what am I wasting my time on this shit for ? to watch the leader pull over just as it's getting good" ? Finally after watching Jett run away all summer long we're going to see an epic battle in the last few laps and then he pulls over and waves him by ?  Pfffftttt  whatever.... I get why he did it, but the "race" fans got screwed. I hear you they can do whatever they want, but the fans who wanted to see a race got the rug pulled out from under them on that deal. Oh well drama of the week, Laughing it'll be forgotten soon enough. I really hope Roczen takes it next weekend. Go kickstart Kenny !    

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thumbs down y'all non stop y'all to the beat y'all body rock y'all

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Jett's out on the track, riding at speeds that only one other guy in the world can hang with, and some of you guys are shitting on him for getting the maths wrong. Smh

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Because he "thought" at the time he'd be increasing the gap between him and Chase, or something lol.  But yeah I agree we're watching the lead...

Because he "thought" at the time he'd be increasing the gap between him and Chase, or something lol.  But yeah I agree we're watching the lead battle tighten up, then the leader waves second place by right as it's getting good ?  We we're saying wtf just like the guys in the booth, Ricky - "clutch works, looks like his brake works, he shifted gears it's not that", wtf ? why'd he do that ? What a jip lol  I was bummed I was looking forward to a battle royal the last couple laps, then I found out he let him by on purpose..... it put me in a bad mood honestly, "this isn't what I want to watch, what am I wasting my time on this shit for ? to watch the leader pull over just as it's getting good" ? Finally after watching Jett run away all summer long we're going to see an epic battle in the last few laps and then he pulls over and waves him by ?  Pfffftttt  whatever.... I get why he did it, but the "race" fans got screwed. I hear you they can do whatever they want, but the fans who wanted to see a race got the rug pulled out from under them on that deal. Oh well drama of the week, Laughing it'll be forgotten soon enough. I really hope Roczen takes it next weekend. Go kickstart Kenny !    

What if the last lap "fight" was just an illusion of Jett letting Ken close up (as the lap times tell), Without his decision to let him by, there would probably never av been a last lap battle to be robbed of as a fan. food for thought...

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9/18/2023 2:38am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2023 2:42am
Richy wrote:
I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it. Surely Jett finishing...

I'm not sure on exactly the reasons why I have this opinion, but it was lame to see, I just wasn't into it.

Surely Jett finishing 1st with Kenny in 2nd, between him and Chase, is still better for Jett from a points perspective? Kenny is still in front of Chase, and Jett is further up on points? I guess I'm misunderstanding things.

They're all free to do what they wanna do and I'm not gonna insult anyone over it, but it seemed pretty weak.

Mavetism wrote:
You are. It is NOT single moto scoring. Chase finished 2-3 which means Kenny would have finished  2nd overall even with a 3-2 because of the...

You are. It is NOT single moto scoring. Chase finished 2-3 which means Kenny would have finished  2nd overall even with a 3-2 because of the better second moto finish. So letting him by had zero impact on the points. 

I get you man, thanks, I caught the overall thing a few times on the broadcast (backwards from MX scoring motos) but it just didn't click in my head, I guess from beating it against the floor over the years 👍

Still just seems a bit... I guess, gay? In the 00's sense of the word. Feels a little insulting to Kenny and a bit too Formula 1 big picture in general, but just my personal opinion sat here with no trophies 😂

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9/18/2023 3:03am

This will outdo the deegan bike claiming debacle, as far as social media meltdowns go.

 

20 pages at least by the time next weekend rolls around !!!

🤣😂🤣😂🤣

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Man some people on here must think they're mind readers? There's some elaborate theories as to why Jett did what he did...

The theory that he gave up the lead because "he couldn't handle the pressure" seems the most unlikely. Even JT said this on the pulp review show? Are you serious? Has he forgotten this kids last 2-3 yrs of racing? Its possible but history would show that's it's VERY unlikely. 

IF Jett ever honestly explains why he did it we won't know. Either way it wasnt good. I'm guessing Dazzy ain't happy it either? Its not a good look

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Whatever Jett’s reasoning was, it was a crappy move and I hope we never see something like that again.. I think Kenny was pushing Jett out...

Whatever Jett’s reasoning was, it was a crappy move and I hope we never see something like that again..

I think Kenny was pushing Jett out of his comfort zone, so instead of getting passed he pulled over to make it look like it was his choice to get passed..

Yup.. disrespect .  Poor judgement, we all thought we were there to watch a fucking race. 

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it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened. social media said...

it doesn't matter about facts or what the riders have to say about the situation. Especially when it lines up with what happened.

social media said Jett couldn't handle the pressure and Ken Roczen was faster so that's the truth. Even tho lap times say else and Jett just went 22-0 as a rookie after winning 4 titles back to back. So I Agree with social. Jett hasn't dealt with pressure yet. LaughingLaughing

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Go fuck yourself with thinking my opinion is swayed by "social media"  Full stop I watched it live. Watch the race again  I did Jett was...

Go fuck yourself with thinking my opinion is swayed by "social media" 

Full stop

I watched it live.

Watch the race again 

I did

Jett was sprinting, trying to break or our last him. The 2 of them pulled a huge gap on Sexton. Kenny made a push at the end while the track was going away. 

Roczen was in forum and he wanted a fight 

Don't see the need to say "go f**k your self"... but you do you champ. Keep watching the races. vital needs more people like you to...

Don't see the need to say "go f**k your self"... but you do you champ.

Keep watching the races. vital needs more people like you to give their opinion based on what you think and not facts. enjoy your week Smile   full stop?

Please tell me how it's a "fact" that Jett purposely slowed down at the end of race? Before Roczen got to his rear fender and Jett pulled over

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It's insane the number of people who still believe this mythical tale that if someone is close to Jett its only because Jett is allowing it, toying with them, conserving energy, doesn't need to have a comfortable lead, blah blah blah..... some of you won't even allow for the possibility that the other guy is just as fast on that day. Fragile egos just like Jett showed himself to have I guess.... 

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It's insane the number of people who still believe this mythical tale that if someone is close to Jett its only because Jett is allowing it...

It's insane the number of people who still believe this mythical tale that if someone is close to Jett its only because Jett is allowing it, toying with them, conserving energy, doesn't need to have a comfortable lead, blah blah blah..... some of you won't even allow for the possibility that the other guy is just as fast on that day. Fragile egos just like Jett showed himself to have I guess.... 

Bingo

And in what world would going 1-2 be better than 1-1?

Oui it'd be better to get 2nd in this one mate. I'll have a better chance of winning in 2nd don't ya think?

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9/18/2023 6:02am

If I am Chase I would be livid or any other racer out there that was a huge disrespect, even if he couldn't do math his point to take from Chase quite apparent. Lost respect from this prior fan.

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If I am Chase I would be livid or any other racer out there that was a huge disrespect, even if he couldn't do math his...

If I am Chase I would be livid or any other racer out there that was a huge disrespect, even if he couldn't do math his point to take from Chase quite apparent. Lost respect from this prior fan.

He tried to do the same thing to Jo last season when he was willing to let Hunter by at Pala, rather than just letting the two duke it out for themselves (didn't work cause Hunter was too slow). Still amazes me that Jo considers them friends after that; he's too nice of a guy.

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Lord almighty. A twenty year old kid did something stupid that he’s going to learn from and a thirty year old with a habit of excuse...

Lord almighty. A twenty year old kid did something stupid that he’s going to learn from and a thirty year old with a habit of excuse making and crying was butt hurt by it. Moving on 🙄

I couldn't imagine anyone spinning this that Ken is the bad guy here but lookie here. Vital always delivers

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I'll pull up some of my stats from another thread. +01.008 +04.122 +05.041 +02.448 +04.894 +03.053 +01.690 +04.377 +00.771 +05.883 +01.736 These are Jett's closest margins...

I'll pull up some of my stats from another thread.
+01.008
+04.122
+05.041
+02.448
+04.894
+03.053
+01.690
+04.377
+00.771
+05.883
+01.736

These are Jett's closest margins of victory outdoors. To say Jett couldn't "handle the pressure" after going undefeated as a rookie is hilarious. Keep doubting this kid.

joshd wrote:
Jett can very much old a lead but Kenny was going out side and hitting that double double that no one else was doing. Once he...

Jett can very much old a lead but Kenny was going out side and hitting that double double that no one else was doing. Once he got his line worked in he was greasing it every lap and pulling right up on Jett. 
 

Jett is a young kid and made a mistake. No harm no foul but don’t be fooled. Ken had him. I haven’t seen that Kenny in a long time. 

In the press conference Kenny was saying that he was using exactly the opposite lines of Jett because he was getting roosted so much, even though the lines were definitely slower. Later in the Moto he started to figure out the areas where he could reel Jett in where he wasn't losing time over the total track. That was about the time that Jett started ciphering 🥴 about points.  

I wish they had raced it out to the end because I think it would have been a hell of a moto but will never know now.

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9/18/2023 6:37am

So, some folks are mad about the 2nd moto? Laughing

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Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want...

Forget the math and the points and the birth of a child and all that..... no racer who is being honest would ever say they want to be gifted a win vs being given the opportunity to earn it. Sure if your other option is losing, you'll take the gift, but nobody in a close second thinks they are losing. Being "gifted" a win in that moment is insulting AF and every racer including Jett knows it. So your options are Jett knew he was being incredibly demeaning or Jett is incredibly stupid. I personally don't think Jett is incredibly stupid. 

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Jett saying he gifted the win was an obvious joke. His game plan was to put Kenny between himself and chase in the points. Great idea...

Jett saying he gifted the win was an obvious joke. His game plan was to put Kenny between himself and chase in the points. Great idea, poorly executed. 

Yeah that sounds good except, unless it comes from your team and it's on your pit board you should be racing to win, right to the end.  I'm sure that Dad had a conversation with him afterward, and Hunter probably called him an idiot all the way back to the hotel.

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This sets us up for an exciting year or two. Chase ‘knowing, believing’ he is better than Jett at SX. Taking a beating all summer and at the one more outdoosy SMX. Kenny with more fuel to his fire to show the kid what’s up and that he’s good, but not that special. Ken and Chase grinding it out together at the sandbox with one goal. Kens starts and sprint speed, Chase’s raw speed and talent, could really see them doing everything to beat Jett. Barcia being Barcia, Anderson redeeming this year, we could really see Jett get pushed around in SX. Unless he just holeshot and checks out like he does. 

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9/18/2023 6:57am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2023 12:06pm

Jett didn't want to look bad being passed straight up by a guy 10 years older than him. I was hoping Roczen would've paused and pointed at Jett then ahead of him on the track to make him keep going.

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bens 152 wrote:
This sets us up for an exciting year or two. Chase ‘knowing, believing’ he is better than Jett at SX. Taking a beating all summer and...

This sets us up for an exciting year or two. Chase ‘knowing, believing’ he is better than Jett at SX. Taking a beating all summer and at the one more outdoosy SMX. Kenny with more fuel to his fire to show the kid what’s up and that he’s good, but not that special. Ken and Chase grinding it out together at the sandbox with one goal. Kens starts and sprint speed, Chase’s raw speed and talent, could really see them doing everything to beat Jett. Barcia being Barcia, Anderson redeeming this year, we could really see Jett get pushed around in SX. Unless he just holeshot and checks out like he does. 

Add in the 2 vets on star Yamaha looking to prove a point. God willing no major injuries and and all time great SX season.

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9/18/2023 7:22am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2023 7:22am
bens 152 wrote:
This sets us up for an exciting year or two. Chase ‘knowing, believing’ he is better than Jett at SX. Taking a beating all summer and...

This sets us up for an exciting year or two. Chase ‘knowing, believing’ he is better than Jett at SX. Taking a beating all summer and at the one more outdoosy SMX. Kenny with more fuel to his fire to show the kid what’s up and that he’s good, but not that special. Ken and Chase grinding it out together at the sandbox with one goal. Kens starts and sprint speed, Chase’s raw speed and talent, could really see them doing everything to beat Jett. Barcia being Barcia, Anderson redeeming this year, we could really see Jett get pushed around in SX. Unless he just holeshot and checks out like he does. 

Barcia probably laughed all the way home after this one, the others could probably not care less.

If Ken and Sexton was not trying their 100% during the weeks all ready to be the best, they were not doing their job.

this incident will change NOTHING for the future. Neither Ken, Sexton or Eli are dirty riders and will do nothing to Jett more than race him clean. And well the rest? The don’t have anything for him.

 

No matter how much some of you all want drama, you will not get it from the current top guys.

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9/18/2023 8:22am
TAUTOG wrote:

I'm going to watch it again but I'm pretty sure Kenny was putting in a charge and catching Jett

Tumic wrote:
Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at...

Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at straws now to make it look like Ken was the fastest rider on track.

ando wrote:

Yep.  Lot of people are ignoring the hard reality of the gap between them and what the lap times are saying.  

You can't let facts get in the way of a good story!

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9/18/2023 8:25am
truck wrote:
It's insane the number of people who still believe this mythical tale that if someone is close to Jett its only because Jett is allowing it...

It's insane the number of people who still believe this mythical tale that if someone is close to Jett its only because Jett is allowing it, toying with them, conserving energy, doesn't need to have a comfortable lead, blah blah blah..... some of you won't even allow for the possibility that the other guy is just as fast on that day. Fragile egos just like Jett showed himself to have I guess.... 

Because Jett literally slowed down and waved Kenny by. The video is readily available to view. This isn't the jfk film, this video is clear as you can get!

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Haha the level of anger over this, some of the deductions you people come up with are priceless. Maybe go out and ride. Edit: FWIW...IF Jett...

Haha the level of anger over this, some of the deductions you people come up with are priceless.

Maybe go out and ride.

Edit: FWIW...IF Jett did slow and let him by, he needs his ass kicked by his employer.

He did, and probably does...

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Tumic wrote:
Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at...

Jett lowered his pace and let Ken catch him, it was not Ken who went faster and caught him that way. even if people grasping at straws now to make it look like Ken was the fastest rider on track.

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Yep.  Lot of people are ignoring the hard reality of the gap between them and what the lap times are saying.  

You can't let facts get in the way of a good story!

The problem is andos hard reality is a lie.

There was no point in the second moto that jett was faster then ken.  Ken was taking 2 lines that were slower and working them in for later in the race. You can even see it in the 2nd lap how Ken and barca were basically getting stopped losing all of their momentum until the line worked in by lap 6-7. Every lap between 2 lines Ken would lose 2-4 seconds and close the gap right back up by the end of the lap. That shows you that Ken is faster dispite what lap times and the gap says. Numbers can be manipulated to say things that in fact never happened. That's what we have going on. There's 4 laps that you don't even see them on TV.  Not to mention a 2 second gap at this track isn't shit. 2 seconds is the difference between taking off of the first roller and jet getting on the brakes for the wall jump. Jett did the smart thing in letting him by. Why risk the battle and let chase either catch up or jett go down and let chase pass him. I'm not a person to play favorites with riders. I think that shits stupid. I like both riders. Ken was faster Ken was building lines to race Jett later on.

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I was their watching it live. Kenny, was taking lines that were still shit for the first 10 minutes and slower because they were not ready...

I was their watching it live. Kenny, was taking lines that were still shit for the first 10 minutes and slower because they were not ready like the main line jett was in. Ken from lap 3 on was building the track up so that he could have lines to pass jett in. So even while Ken's prepping some lines for later in the race, Jetts not pulling away at all. 2 of those 3 corners he was working would kill all of his momentum at first an Kenny would lose a good bit of ground but by the time they got back to the finish line he was back all over jett. Once those lines formed up he started taking the main lines jett was in and his new lines no one was really taking. It was just a matter of time. You could see Ken was faster from lap 4 on or jett was thinking he would fade.

I haven't watched the race on TV yet so I have no idea what it looked like there but live. Kenny had him all day that second moto. If jett could have beat him he would have held on for the 5 more minutes. 

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Jett let Ken past on lap 9. Laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52 lap times 3 out 4 and the other was a 1:53.3. Same laps Kenny...

Jett let Ken past on lap 9.

Laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52 lap times 3 out 4 and the other was a 1:53.3.

Same laps Kenny only once went under 1:53 when he did a 1:52.9.

Kenny was not catching Jett.

What do you mean he wasn't catching him? If he wasn't catching him, was jett pulling away? 

 

How was Kenny all over him when he let him by? How does that happen if one isn't "catching" someone?

 

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9/18/2023 9:03am Edited Date/Time 9/18/2023 9:05am
murray88 wrote:

It’s obvious Jett knew he was going to get passed by Kenny so he let him by, who pulls over to let someone win 🤣.

When a guy who just went 22-0, won both titles he contested, pulls over and waves you bye.................

*against a depleted field. I'm positive jett doesn't go 22-0 with tomac around. It's still impressive none the less. But it doesn't happen with everyone healthy

And They both pulled 10+ seconds on sexton... if you think jett wasn't trying you're high 

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I was their watching it live. Kenny, was taking lines that were still shit for the first 10 minutes and slower because they were not ready...

I was their watching it live. Kenny, was taking lines that were still shit for the first 10 minutes and slower because they were not ready like the main line jett was in. Ken from lap 3 on was building the track up so that he could have lines to pass jett in. So even while Ken's prepping some lines for later in the race, Jetts not pulling away at all. 2 of those 3 corners he was working would kill all of his momentum at first an Kenny would lose a good bit of ground but by the time they got back to the finish line he was back all over jett. Once those lines formed up he started taking the main lines jett was in and his new lines no one was really taking. It was just a matter of time. You could see Ken was faster from lap 4 on or jett was thinking he would fade.

I haven't watched the race on TV yet so I have no idea what it looked like there but live. Kenny had him all day that second moto. If jett could have beat him he would have held on for the 5 more minutes. 

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Jett let Ken past on lap 9. Laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52 lap times 3 out 4 and the other was a 1:53.3. Same laps Kenny...

Jett let Ken past on lap 9.

Laps 5-8 Jett ran 1:52 lap times 3 out 4 and the other was a 1:53.3.

Same laps Kenny only once went under 1:53 when he did a 1:52.9.

Kenny was not catching Jett.

Mxracer06y wrote:
What do you mean he wasn't catching him? If he wasn't catching him, was jett pulling away?    How was Kenny all over him when he...

What do you mean he wasn't catching him? If he wasn't catching him, was jett pulling away? 

 

How was Kenny all over him when he let him by? How does that happen if one isn't "catching" someone?

 

Right you can't lose 2-4seconds in 2 turns and keep the gap the same. The second Ken started taking the main line to make a move 2 laps later jett pulls over. Listen  who knows who that battle would have turned out. Maybe one of them goes down, maybe jett hold on who knows. But Ken was faster this time that was obvious to everyone there that night.

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