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I was the same but that was probably 12 ish years back , they look a lot slimmer now I’d be keen to try one and see
Huh, never noticed that
A guy I'm friendly with got a concussion a month ago. He showed up today with an Atlas brace. He rode about 2 laps and came in and said I can't ride with this thing and threw it in his trailer. LoL they don't bother me. I thought of asking if he wanted to sell it
I’ve used less than perfect data many times to make business decisions. It doesn’t have to be clean, sanitised and 100% perfect. We’re not talking about publishing a scientific paper.
By your standard of proof helmets and boots offer dubious safety benefits as well. There’s no good data to support their perceived benefits.
I agree there isn’t a good body of data right now. If I was to tackle this though I’d start with AMA supercross and motocross riders from the last 20 years as a sample. Their injury history is fairly well documented, especially serious permanent disability injuries that neck braces are designed to prevent.
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You're agreeing with me, you just don't realize it.
I agree that helmets and boots don't have high quality evidence behind them, and I wouldn't let that stop me from wearing them, just as I wouldn't let the lack of great evidence stop me from wearing a neck brace. That was my original point to those saying there's no evidence they work.
As far as starting with AMA guys, you're also illustrating my point. How many of those guys have been paralyzed in the last 20 years? Not nearly enough to draw any conclusions from either way.
Same reason you see people not wearing chest/back protection. Blissful ignorance.
All data is useful.
If there’s been not a single case of a paralysed national level rider in over 20 years, what’s the case for a device that prevents paralysis injuries?
The number definitely isn't zero, and no idea why you'd pick arbitrary cutoffs if all data is useful.
So in your research papers you had no cutoffs for time or other parameters for data? Come on, all research takes data samples which automatically implies the dataset is cutoff somewhere.
Who are the national level riders who’ve been paralysed in the last 20 years? Should be pretty easy to find out if you’re sure it’s not zero.
Ernesto Fonseca, Brian Moreau, Scott Sheak, Jeremy Shuttleworth..... Google it and you can find plenty of other local fast guys running around in wheel chairs now. Are we really arguing that this is a thing?
Anecdote, is some peoples reality though. However that then brings in the conundrum of it works for him but not the other.. and you cannot control every variable.
Lots of good convo of different points. Seems to bother some and without verifiable data some people don’t see the point.
Doesn’t matter to me what a person does, I can wear one without any issues and it does feel like it stops my helmet from over extending my neck towards the front and back and I think they look cool. I’ll let y’all know if one day I get so good they get super annoying.
What is it you are trying to say?
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I fractured C1 a year and a half ago while wearing an Alpinestars neck brace after high siding through a whoops section. I thought I just had really bad whiplash and even rode the next week before getting a MRI. After it healed my doctor had me bring in the helmet and brace to put me through the crash motion and said I would have probably been quad or gone without the brace on. Doctor wanted me to limit the movement even more and I told her its not possible with how much you need to move around in moto.
You may have noticed that some people have longer necks, and some have shorter necks? This probably had a lot to do with the fitment...
Odd that the braces do not have sizes for short/long.
That's gnarly. Glad you're alright! I wore the first gen Alpinestars brace for a long time and still have it in my garage. I wear the atlas air brace now.
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Well the bloom is certainly off the rose......
Your arguments are a bunch of back and forth BS because it boils down to one simple thing, riders don't like them there fore they don’t wear them. See how simple that was!
If you gotta think like that, probably the hardest math you are capable of if I had to guess.
Sometimes doing things you don’t like, save you from an oh shit moment later. I just find it kind of weird, but to each their own.
I like mine.
This is it imo, the people that say " still broke neck with one on", what about the people that die from brain injurys with a helmet on? blow knees with braces on? brake ankles with boots on? does not mean they dont work.
I understand people not liking them for the comfort factor ( which once used to i dont notice mine at all) I dont understand how people think they dont work, just put one on vs not and see how good it feels flexing your head to touch your shoulder
…Jessy Nelson, Joel Roelants, Mickaël Musquin…
Football players use to all have the “neck roll” pads.
Most don’t wear them anymore.
I had the old leatt version and stopped wearing it several years ago when I crashed into another rider because I could not look up ahead/high enough in a valley.
Mickael Musquin was wearing a neck brace when he got injured. The other two weren’t.
Ah, ok!
Wasn't Nelson's injury a back injury that neck braces aren't designed to protect?
Dont know…
Original argument was: ”How many of those guys have been paralyzed in the last 20 years?”
I did not count in with or without neckbrace or how it happened, just racers who got paralyzed.
Whatever.
Nelson wasn’t wearing a neck brace when he got injured.
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