2024 RMZ-450

6/5/2023 3:54am
burn1986 wrote:
Look there’s nothing technically wrong with the bike. Yes, people still love it even though it is a 2018 model, and will probably still be okay...

Look there’s nothing technically wrong with the bike. Yes, people still love it even though it is a 2018 model, and will probably still be okay over the next few years. The point is, Suzuki Company has been scaling back and has been for the last several years. They haven’t shown any improvements/ advancement over the last 5 years or so. I’m just guessing that they will continue to scale back unless a miracle happens.

nytsmaC wrote:

What if the ‘24 is BNG but has a really, really, really sweet front fender?

They gave up doing BNG every year. A new front fender would be pretty extreme for the Suzuki. Where is Sandusky when you need him.

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6/5/2023 6:51am Edited Date/Time 6/5/2023 6:55am
nytsmaC wrote:

What if the ‘24 is BNG but has a really, really, really sweet front fender?

LOL I know! Haha! Then it would sell a whole lot of bikes Smile  

(Forest for the trees, right)

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6/5/2023 10:35am

My 19’ was one of the better bikes I’ve owned..

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6/5/2023 11:38am

I know back in 2020 they had a new 450 motor with e-start ready to go for production in 21. Or so I was told from a guy in Suzuki that would know. When I asked last year why it didnt get dropped in he made a comment that the bean counters were happy with sales numbers of the current models in this economic, at the time still having supply issues and world wide political climate. I can't imagine they won't throw the new motor in this year.

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6/6/2023 11:43am
I know back in 2020 they had a new 450 motor with e-start ready to go for production in 21. Or so I was told from...

I know back in 2020 they had a new 450 motor with e-start ready to go for production in 21. Or so I was told from a guy in Suzuki that would know. When I asked last year why it didnt get dropped in he made a comment that the bean counters were happy with sales numbers of the current models in this economic, at the time still having supply issues and world wide political climate. I can't imagine they won't throw the new motor in this year.

New bike=higher sales guaranteed.

6/6/2023 12:33pm

Not a single Suzuki 450 in the Japan championship should give you all your answers.

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6/6/2023 1:14pm

Suzuki rep told us at our dealer they did have an e-start motor in mind that was to release in 2021 with the same 2018-2023 platform but was halted due to Covid. Now they are working on major improvements with the bike and 2024 will most likely be identical maybe BNG but 2025 we should see an all new 450 from Suzuki and the 250 to follow in 2026. Don't know all the specs but electric start and some weight being shaved off are definite. 

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Suzuki rep told us at our dealer they did have an e-start motor in mind that was to release in 2021 with the same 2018-2023 platform...

Suzuki rep told us at our dealer they did have an e-start motor in mind that was to release in 2021 with the same 2018-2023 platform but was halted due to Covid. Now they are working on major improvements with the bike and 2024 will most likely be identical maybe BNG but 2025 we should see an all new 450 from Suzuki and the 250 to follow in 2026. Don't know all the specs but electric start and some weight being shaved off are definite. 

Seems dream is pushed further every year. 

They should take note what Kawasaki and Yamaha done now. 

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6/6/2023 1:49pm

Every year, the new bike is coming next year.  Can anyone remember when they were gonna start making the rm125 again? What about the ally frame RM125?

Anyone notice a pattern here,  it's always some dude that's in the know....

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6/6/2023 2:17pm

For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works.

My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the Triumph?

That must be it since I can't recall seeing one in the GPs or Japan Nationals. 

Perhaps Ken and Chiz also have them and they're so well camouflaged no one noticed?

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6/6/2023 2:27pm
For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works. My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the...

For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works.

My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the Triumph?

That must be it since I can't recall seeing one in the GPs or Japan Nationals. 

Perhaps Ken and Chiz also have them and they're so well camouflaged no one noticed?

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll surely send some bikes to US for Chisholm to test the bike before racing it. 

If you want to know more about it, just ask Pipes and Hep riders. 

They don't race those Suzuki's "outdated" for no reason.

Kenny is not gonna ride and kickstart the same bike till 2025!

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6/6/2023 2:38pm
For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works. My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the...

For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works.

My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the Triumph?

That must be it since I can't recall seeing one in the GPs or Japan Nationals. 

Perhaps Ken and Chiz also have them and they're so well camouflaged no one noticed?

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll...

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll surely send some bikes to US for Chisholm to test the bike before racing it. 

If you want to know more about it, just ask Pipes and Hep riders. 

They don't race those Suzuki's "outdated" for no reason.

Kenny is not gonna ride and kickstart the same bike till 2025!

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current champion) Honda CRF.

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Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current...

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current champion) Honda CRF.

True.

And makes you wonder what's holding back the MX careers of the people calling it outdated junk and wondering why anyone would buy one, since a modded "junk" Suzuki has now been proven to be capable of a SX win.

 

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For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works. My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the...

For the sake of argument, let's say they have a new bike in the works.

My question is: where are they developing it? Along side the Triumph?

That must be it since I can't recall seeing one in the GPs or Japan Nationals. 

Perhaps Ken and Chiz also have them and they're so well camouflaged no one noticed?

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll...

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll surely send some bikes to US for Chisholm to test the bike before racing it. 

If you want to know more about it, just ask Pipes and Hep riders. 

They don't race those Suzuki's "outdated" for no reason.

Kenny is not gonna ride and kickstart the same bike till 2025!

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current...

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current champion) Honda CRF.

He was a better rider on the Honda, it was his health that betrayed him in past years. 
 

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6/6/2023 4:48pm
There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll...

There is only a satellite team in Japan, (team sbe) they don't do development as far as i know. If a new bike is coming, they'll surely send some bikes to US for Chisholm to test the bike before racing it. 

If you want to know more about it, just ask Pipes and Hep riders. 

They don't race those Suzuki's "outdated" for no reason.

Kenny is not gonna ride and kickstart the same bike till 2025!

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current...

Why wouldn't he? The existing bike proved perfectly competitive this season for him, and he performed significantly better on it than on his current-generation (and current champion) Honda CRF.

soggy wrote:

He was a better rider on the Honda, it was his health that betrayed him in past years. 
 

... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook.

Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on the kickstarter.

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... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook. Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on...

... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook.

Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on the kickstarter.

Hard to go by results. Field is different every year. Eye test he looked a lot better on the Honda, I think anyway. 

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6/7/2023 4:08am

Kenny's current Suzuki, the bike he actually rides, probably has in much in common with a stock Suzuki RMZ450 as it does with a Hayabusa.

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6/7/2023 4:56am
Spoonguy wrote:

Kenny's current Suzuki, the bike he actually rides, probably has in much in common with a stock Suzuki RMZ450 as it does with a Hayabusa.

And that's relevant how exactly?

It'll be exactly the same scenario as Eli's YZF, Webb's KTM, Chase's Honda, etc etc etc.. Not one of them is riding a stock, unmodified bike.

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6/7/2023 9:43am Edited Date/Time 6/7/2023 10:10am
... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook. Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on...

... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook.

Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on the kickstarter.

soggy wrote:

Hard to go by results. Field is different every year. Eye test he looked a lot better on the Honda, I think anyway. 

"Looked better" for about the first 4 minutes. After that, looked much, much worse.

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... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook. Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on...

... Or he was able to stay healthier on the Zook.

Either way, results say what they do, and he was better, for whatever reason, on the kickstarter.

soggy wrote:

Hard to go by results. Field is different every year. Eye test he looked a lot better on the Honda, I think anyway. 

"Looked better" for about the first 4 minutes. After that, looked much, much worse.

I DONT KNOW WHY THE SAME GUYS KEEP POSTING THREADS ABOUT A NOT NEW SUZUKI,IF ANYWAYS

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY ONE

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6/7/2023 11:44am
soggy wrote:

Hard to go by results. Field is different every year. Eye test he looked a lot better on the Honda, I think anyway. 

"Looked better" for about the first 4 minutes. After that, looked much, much worse.

SEMAC wrote:

I DONT KNOW WHY THE SAME GUYS KEEP POSTING THREADS ABOUT A NOT NEW SUZUKI,IF ANYWAYS

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY ONE

Bingo, same dudes say if they make a 2 stroke they would buy .  

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6/8/2023 1:04am

"Looked better" for about the first 4 minutes. After that, looked much, much worse.

SEMAC wrote:

I DONT KNOW WHY THE SAME GUYS KEEP POSTING THREADS ABOUT A NOT NEW SUZUKI,IF ANYWAYS

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY ONE

mxb2 wrote:

Bingo, same dudes say if they make a 2 stroke they would buy .  

Well I have three RM250s, oldest 1992, newest 2008. 
 

I’d likely buy a new one if they made one. 
 

Im actually actively looking to buy a good used 2018-2023 RMZ450, just waiting for the right bike/price to pop up. No rush.

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6/8/2023 5:25am
SEMAC wrote:

I DONT KNOW WHY THE SAME GUYS KEEP POSTING THREADS ABOUT A NOT NEW SUZUKI,IF ANYWAYS

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BUY ONE

mxb2 wrote:

Bingo, same dudes say if they make a 2 stroke they would buy .  

Well I have three RM250s, oldest 1992, newest 2008.    I’d likely buy a new one if they made one.    Im actually actively looking to...

Well I have three RM250s, oldest 1992, newest 2008. 
 

I’d likely buy a new one if they made one. 
 

Im actually actively looking to buy a good used 2018-2023 RMZ450, just waiting for the right bike/price to pop up. No rush.

Plenty 2022,2023  new model 2 strokes out there to buy. Support the brands that make them. Suzuki ,kawy,honda doesnt care that you are riding 15+ year old bikes. Thats my point. 

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6/8/2023 5:46am

Just like the leaves growing on the trees and the weather turning warmer, the annual “New RMZ450” discussion pops it timid head out of its nest. If the New RMZ discussion sees it’s shadow, it’ll be 8 years before a new bike shows up, if it doesn’t see it’s shadow it’ll be more like 10 years.. 

 

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6/8/2023 5:54am
Spoonguy wrote:

Kenny's current Suzuki, the bike he actually rides, probably has in much in common with a stock Suzuki RMZ450 as it does with a Hayabusa.

And that's relevant how exactly? It'll be exactly the same scenario as Eli's YZF, Webb's KTM, Chase's Honda, etc etc etc.. Not one of them is...

And that's relevant how exactly?

It'll be exactly the same scenario as Eli's YZF, Webb's KTM, Chase's Honda, etc etc etc.. Not one of them is riding a stock, unmodified bike.

My mistake on not being clear. It is a reply in regards to the post of Roczen winning on an RMZ. Of course all those bikes have swarms of technicians and an unlimited amount of parts, that was my point. Roczen's results don't translate to typical owners. And of course he doesn't care about the shitty resale value either.

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6/8/2023 6:02am

It has been posted here a few times, articles from corporate press releases that Suzuki is shifting their focus and FINANCES towards electric. Exactly what that means in terms of current ICE dirt bikes and what is coming in the future, who knows.  Maybe they are pausing efforts on their current lineup and are busting their tails to make Stark look like rookies in short time?  Time will tell.  I should say, I am not on the electric bandwagon..  Just pointing out one fact above.

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A very wise man once told me, "Your customers will accept almost anything from you - except neglect." Suzuki seems like they want to test the legitimacy of that theory. It's a bitter pill to swallow for any of us Suzuki-worshippers who grew up in the 70s, a time when a single RA works bike spy photograph had the power to upend the whole sport, a time when they cared so much and had so much passion and drive they'd sometimes introduce a new model MID-year. It would be weird to see them go, but at this point, maybe it would be for the better. Their apathy is like a neon sign at midnight, and given their history? - I'll put it this way: they fell from the loftiest height imaginable. 

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6/8/2023 7:28am

Maybe I am in the minority in this, but we are now at a point of having at least 4 brands with 450 MSRP's over $10k and I do think it would be wise of Suzuki to really think hard about being the one brand to stay around the $9k range. We aren't looking for Suzuki to reinvent the wheel at all and I certainly don't need them to go to E-start. Maybe some small engine updates or a switch to KYB and some body work changes would be totally fine in my eyes. Become the affordable brand that still puts in some effort every couple years with a new look and seriously become the brand that makes this sport more affordable for newer riders because $10k-$11.5k msrp's are not going to be bringing new people in to buy new bikes.

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mattyhamz2 wrote:
Maybe I am in the minority in this, but we are now at a point of having at least 4 brands with 450 MSRP's over $10k...

Maybe I am in the minority in this, but we are now at a point of having at least 4 brands with 450 MSRP's over $10k and I do think it would be wise of Suzuki to really think hard about being the one brand to stay around the $9k range. We aren't looking for Suzuki to reinvent the wheel at all and I certainly don't need them to go to E-start. Maybe some small engine updates or a switch to KYB and some body work changes would be totally fine in my eyes. Become the affordable brand that still puts in some effort every couple years with a new look and seriously become the brand that makes this sport more affordable for newer riders because $10k-$11.5k msrp's are not going to be bringing new people in to buy new bikes.

Yea ....this while trend of 450 dirtbikes $10,500 and up is ridiculous. I can't believe people can justify paying that much for a dirtbike even if they have the money to do so....its too much, especially if they finance it....yikes!

It makes used bike prices absurd too!

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