New bike day - Stark Varg has arrived!!!!

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mog 6/6/2023 11:05am
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38special wrote:
The PR fluff is to keep the suckers excited and string them along.  They have now shown 20 bikes lined up, 6 weeks after they announced...

The PR fluff is to keep the suckers excited and string them along.  They have now shown 20 bikes lined up, 6 weeks after they announced "we're in production and shipping".

The bikes are real, but something is going on behind the scenes.  

You're right , it's all a conspiracy, the lightest tubes ever made , the lightest footpegs ever made , the most powerful and longest lasting ev bike ever made , it's all to fool you, you have sussed it out ,well done 

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The real Sasquatch 6/6/2023 11:12am
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Looks like they’re finally getting them out. Varg has had to do a lot of convincing though, since they were delayed for so long. Now hopefully...

Looks like they’re finally getting them out.

Varg has had to do a lot of convincing though, since they were delayed for so long. Now hopefully all the craziness will die down a little.

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Bikes originally were going to be delivered sept 22 ,it's June 23 ,in anything like today's world that's actually really close to meeting target , Tesla...

Bikes originally were going to be delivered sept 22 ,it's June 23 ,in anything like today's world that's actually really close to meeting target , Tesla delays go on for years ,as do many car deliveries, people make out 6-8 months is a huge delay ,it really isn't ...

Yzf 450 2023 arrived in UK in may 23 , KTM sold the 23 sxf 450 in may 22 , where is the uproar and posts ? Yzf nearly a year late 

This is why people get frustrated with these posts ,it's so dramatic that stark are 8 months late , such a big conspiracy.....

 

This isn't aimed at you just the point on all the posts saying about the delays and how the world will end as the bike didn't turn up in sept 

I have some KTM parts that I ordered in October  that keep getting pushed  back. And I still have not gotten them.  If there were not these other supply issues with major established brands who have been developing their bikes  for longer than Stark has been a company. Maybe then I could see the doubt people have.  Being upset about the missed date is one thing.

 

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number six 6/6/2023 11:33am
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a row of new Vargs 

against an all white backround

cryptic messaging ? 

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inthebadboycorner 6/6/2023 11:43am
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No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer...

No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer #1's bike. Presumably collectors' pieces, etc. That looks like about 20 assembled and un-crated bikes in the picture.

I assume when they start delivering customer bikes the messaging will become less ambiguous.

soggy wrote:

Not everything is a conspiracy

Didn't they have many bikes that the magazine guys tested in Spain last year?

Maybe they were 1 - 20?

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The real Sasquatch 6/6/2023 11:49am
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38special wrote:
The PR fluff is to keep the suckers excited and string them along.  They have now shown 20 bikes lined up, 6 weeks after they announced...

The PR fluff is to keep the suckers excited and string them along.  They have now shown 20 bikes lined up, 6 weeks after they announced "we're in production and shipping".

The bikes are real, but something is going on behind the scenes.  

What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits . And with the wait being  over a year if you placed an order today ( I think somebody posted sept 2024  as an ETA if you ordered on that day they posted) . Why would they not just make the bikes? Delivering bikes is when they will start to make some money back.  I imagine that they will not be making money until a lot of Vargs are delivered. Just spending it. 

If they did get 18K pre orders , that's not even 2 Million dollars.  Even if their building is an empty warehouse with a single white wall and a few offices it would have cost them more than the deposits gave them. Seems like a bad scam to me. And for an established company to have invested $50M with them , for such a small % of Stark . That should give people faith. I'm sure that Stark had to show them much more info than what is public for them to write that check.  

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GrapeApe wrote:
No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer...

No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer #1's bike. Presumably collectors' pieces, etc. That looks like about 20 assembled and un-crated bikes in the picture.

I assume when they start delivering customer bikes the messaging will become less ambiguous.

soggy wrote:

Not everything is a conspiracy

inthebadboycorner wrote:

Didn't they have many bikes that the magazine guys tested in Spain last year?

Maybe they were 1 - 20?

The fact they are so flustered over the chassis number shows they are in a mental mindspin 

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ksithumper 6/6/2023 12:44pm
6/6/2023 12:44pm
Goldmember wrote:

That image looks like it is AI manipulated to me.

Like all of the Stark guff it is whiffy, ambivalent, questionable, non straightforward.

🤣🤣🤣

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mog wrote:

The fact they are so flustered over the chassis number shows they are in a mental mindspin 

 

^^^

Truer words were never spoken!

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Goldmember wrote:

That image looks like it is AI manipulated to me.

Like all of the Stark guff it is whiffy, ambivalent, questionable, non straightforward.

Oh come on dude! That’s laziest trolling I’ve seen in a long time.. you can do better than that 

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What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits...

What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits . And with the wait being  over a year if you placed an order today ( I think somebody posted sept 2024  as an ETA if you ordered on that day they posted) . Why would they not just make the bikes? Delivering bikes is when they will start to make some money back.  I imagine that they will not be making money until a lot of Vargs are delivered. Just spending it. 

If they did get 18K pre orders , that's not even 2 Million dollars.  Even if their building is an empty warehouse with a single white wall and a few offices it would have cost them more than the deposits gave them. Seems like a bad scam to me. And for an established company to have invested $50M with them , for such a small % of Stark . That should give people faith. I'm sure that Stark had to show them much more info than what is public for them to write that check.  

That's like saying "what incentive do Theranos have to make bogus blood tests?".

 

It can and does happen, especially to products with a lot of hype. I don't think this is the case with Stark, but it pays to be vigilant 

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What's more likely?

1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all while developing a game-changing, brand-new product, and is thus behind in some aspects of their production, shipping and delivery timeframes, or;

2) Stark Future has deftly conspired to build only 21 of the game-changing products, while still having to handle all the R&D and supply chain problems, all so they can rip people off to the tune of $100 each? 

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crt32 6/6/2023 4:56pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits...

What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits . And with the wait being  over a year if you placed an order today ( I think somebody posted sept 2024  as an ETA if you ordered on that day they posted) . Why would they not just make the bikes? Delivering bikes is when they will start to make some money back.  I imagine that they will not be making money until a lot of Vargs are delivered. Just spending it. 

If they did get 18K pre orders , that's not even 2 Million dollars.  Even if their building is an empty warehouse with a single white wall and a few offices it would have cost them more than the deposits gave them. Seems like a bad scam to me. And for an established company to have invested $50M with them , for such a small % of Stark . That should give people faith. I'm sure that Stark had to show them much more info than what is public for them to write that check.  

blakey32 wrote:
That's like saying "what incentive do Theranos have to make bogus blood tests?".   It can and does happen, especially to products with a lot of...

That's like saying "what incentive do Theranos have to make bogus blood tests?".

 

It can and does happen, especially to products with a lot of hype. I don't think this is the case with Stark, but it pays to be vigilant 

Just because someone "reputable" invest in a company does not mean it should give someone faith. To repeat the Theranos story as noted many times on here, Walgreens invested $50 Million, Rupert Murdoch $5 Million, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison invested, and many more VC Funds. Theranos also had powerful people on their board. But companies unfortunately do shady stuff. Time will tell with Stark, it is promising that they are posting pictures of their bikes and wish them success. 

Honest question, do most manufacturers assemble the whole bike and then break it down again if it's to go in a crate? 

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Titan1 6/6/2023 5:33pm
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Falcon wrote:
What's more likely? 1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all...

What's more likely?

1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all while developing a game-changing, brand-new product, and is thus behind in some aspects of their production, shipping and delivery timeframes, or;

2) Stark Future has deftly conspired to build only 21 of the game-changing products, while still having to handle all the R&D and supply chain problems, all so they can rip people off to the tune of $100 each? 

I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually build bikes now and as a result of going with plan B, they are way way way behind schedule…and if they’d just be honest with everyone and explain that, rather than never offer an explanation, post watered down, cryptic and generic looking  pictures/videos on social medias, deliver one bike to one customer (who comes off as more of a paid Stark PR/sales guy than a customer) and then crickets about any “regular” customers (who didn’t get an invite to Spain, and who aren’t already famous) getting their bikes…it’s no wonder people are skeptical of them…their opaqueness and seemingly deliberate attempts to hide the true status are breeding the conspiracy theories.  
 

The bike looks awesome!  Their marketing plan leaves a lot to be desired…

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Last2Stroke 6/6/2023 5:44pm
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GrapeApe wrote:
No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer...

No hater here, but Bryan did say his VIN number ended in something like 21, which means about 20 units rolled off the line before customer #1's bike. Presumably collectors' pieces, etc. That looks like about 20 assembled and un-crated bikes in the picture.

I assume when they start delivering customer bikes the messaging will become less ambiguous.

Anton Wass (Stark CEO) did say he was riding his own Varg, others may have gone to Stark insiders, or been used for reliability or compliance testing.

The big question is where is bike #100, or #17,000.

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Titan1 wrote:
I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually...

I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually build bikes now and as a result of going with plan B, they are way way way behind schedule…and if they’d just be honest with everyone and explain that, rather than never offer an explanation, post watered down, cryptic and generic looking  pictures/videos on social medias, deliver one bike to one customer (who comes off as more of a paid Stark PR/sales guy than a customer) and then crickets about any “regular” customers (who didn’t get an invite to Spain, and who aren’t already famous) getting their bikes…it’s no wonder people are skeptical of them…their opaqueness and seemingly deliberate attempts to hide the true status are breeding the conspiracy theories.  
 

The bike looks awesome!  Their marketing plan leaves a lot to be desired…

There is no way that was there plan. Buyouts take a long time. It would have taken even longer for them to develop and manufacture the bike if there plan was to be bought. 

what your suggesting they should have done is announce the bike and that they don’t plan on producing it but instead hoping for a buyout so someone else can make it is INSANE. 

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Last2Stroke 6/6/2023 5:51pm
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The real Sasquatch wrote:
What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits...

What incentive do they have to NOT make the bikes?? They have already talked about spending way more money than they have gotten from the deposits . And with the wait being  over a year if you placed an order today ( I think somebody posted sept 2024  as an ETA if you ordered on that day they posted) . Why would they not just make the bikes? Delivering bikes is when they will start to make some money back.  I imagine that they will not be making money until a lot of Vargs are delivered. Just spending it. 

If they did get 18K pre orders , that's not even 2 Million dollars.  Even if their building is an empty warehouse with a single white wall and a few offices it would have cost them more than the deposits gave them. Seems like a bad scam to me. And for an established company to have invested $50M with them , for such a small % of Stark . That should give people faith. I'm sure that Stark had to show them much more info than what is public for them to write that check.  

blakey32 wrote:
That's like saying "what incentive do Theranos have to make bogus blood tests?".   It can and does happen, especially to products with a lot of...

That's like saying "what incentive do Theranos have to make bogus blood tests?".

 

It can and does happen, especially to products with a lot of hype. I don't think this is the case with Stark, but it pays to be vigilant 

crt32 wrote:
Just because someone "reputable" invest in a company does not mean it should give someone faith. To repeat the Theranos story as noted many times on...

Just because someone "reputable" invest in a company does not mean it should give someone faith. To repeat the Theranos story as noted many times on here, Walgreens invested $50 Million, Rupert Murdoch $5 Million, Oracle Chairman Larry Ellison invested, and many more VC Funds. Theranos also had powerful people on their board. But companies unfortunately do shady stuff. Time will tell with Stark, it is promising that they are posting pictures of their bikes and wish them success. 

Honest question, do most manufacturers assemble the whole bike and then break it down again if it's to go in a crate? 

Yes, bikes are dyno tested as they roll off the assembly line then broken down and crated.

 
 

 

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I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually...

I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually build bikes now and as a result of going with plan B, they are way way way behind schedule…and if they’d just be honest with everyone and explain that, rather than never offer an explanation, post watered down, cryptic and generic looking  pictures/videos on social medias, deliver one bike to one customer (who comes off as more of a paid Stark PR/sales guy than a customer) and then crickets about any “regular” customers (who didn’t get an invite to Spain, and who aren’t already famous) getting their bikes…it’s no wonder people are skeptical of them…their opaqueness and seemingly deliberate attempts to hide the true status are breeding the conspiracy theories.  
 

The bike looks awesome!  Their marketing plan leaves a lot to be desired…

soggy wrote:
There is no way that was there plan. Buyouts take a long time. It would have taken even longer for them to develop and manufacture the...

There is no way that was there plan. Buyouts take a long time. It would have taken even longer for them to develop and manufacture the bike if there plan was to be bought. 

what your suggesting they should have done is announce the bike and that they don’t plan on producing it but instead hoping for a buyout so someone else can make it is INSANE. 

You could be right…I guess they could have just drastically underestimated the number of pre sales…and found themselves with a factory that couldn’t possibly meet that demand…

 

who knows?

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Dirty Points 6/6/2023 6:22pm
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Falcon wrote:
What's more likely? 1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all...

What's more likely?

1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all while developing a game-changing, brand-new product, and is thus behind in some aspects of their production, shipping and delivery timeframes, or;

2) Stark Future has deftly conspired to build only 21 of the game-changing products, while still having to handle all the R&D and supply chain problems, all so they can rip people off to the tune of $100 each? 

Titan1 wrote:
I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually...

I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually build bikes now and as a result of going with plan B, they are way way way behind schedule…and if they’d just be honest with everyone and explain that, rather than never offer an explanation, post watered down, cryptic and generic looking  pictures/videos on social medias, deliver one bike to one customer (who comes off as more of a paid Stark PR/sales guy than a customer) and then crickets about any “regular” customers (who didn’t get an invite to Spain, and who aren’t already famous) getting their bikes…it’s no wonder people are skeptical of them…their opaqueness and seemingly deliberate attempts to hide the true status are breeding the conspiracy theories.  
 

The bike looks awesome!  Their marketing plan leaves a lot to be desired…

Question: if they didn't intend to mass produce, why are all those small aluminum parts like the subframe grip handles, outer frame plates, etc forged? 

We know stark has extensive machining capabilities based on finish work on the same parts. Wouldn't they just CNC those bits and have them looking as trick as works, given that making the dies to forge those parts only makes sense if you intend to scale the build?

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Hcallz5 6/6/2023 6:22pm
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Good to see them getting into production. Was looking at the Surron Ultra bee, it's about half the weight, half the power and half the price. I'd be curious to see a comparison head to head.

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Hcallz5 wrote:
Good to see them getting into production. Was looking at the Surron Ultra bee, it's about half the weight, half the power and half the price...

Good to see them getting into production. Was looking at the Surron Ultra bee, it's about half the weight, half the power and half the price. I'd be curious to see a comparison head to head.

On a motocross track it would be like a CRF110F competing against a CRF450R!

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theycallmeebryan 6/6/2023 7:16pm
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The dangling carrot is real. All this fucking fluff and social media is catering to clowns. Every video released by @theycallmeebryan is edited and approved by...

The dangling carrot is real. All this fucking fluff and social media is catering to clowns. Every video released by @theycallmeebryan is edited and approved by stark. The guy is just a paid spokes person at this point.

When some actual consumers get their hands on them and start putting out non-biased reviews..... I'll tune back in.

 

In what world does a paid spokes person pay for the product they are promoting? 

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Last2Stroke 6/6/2023 7:24pm
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@theycallmeebryan did you sign an NDA for the factory tour, can you say anything about what you saw inside the factory?

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Falcon wrote:
What's more likely? 1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all...

What's more likely?

1) Stark Future has done their best to navigate the largest worldwide supply chain interruption in the history of the industrial age, all while developing a game-changing, brand-new product, and is thus behind in some aspects of their production, shipping and delivery timeframes, or;

2) Stark Future has deftly conspired to build only 21 of the game-changing products, while still having to handle all the R&D and supply chain problems, all so they can rip people off to the tune of $100 each? 

Titan1 wrote:
I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually...

I honestly don’t think stark planned to produce bikes…I think they were planning on a buyout and when that didn’t happen, they are scrambling to actually build bikes now and as a result of going with plan B, they are way way way behind schedule…and if they’d just be honest with everyone and explain that, rather than never offer an explanation, post watered down, cryptic and generic looking  pictures/videos on social medias, deliver one bike to one customer (who comes off as more of a paid Stark PR/sales guy than a customer) and then crickets about any “regular” customers (who didn’t get an invite to Spain, and who aren’t already famous) getting their bikes…it’s no wonder people are skeptical of them…their opaqueness and seemingly deliberate attempts to hide the true status are breeding the conspiracy theories.  
 

The bike looks awesome!  Their marketing plan leaves a lot to be desired…

100% what I think as well. It's the marketing that brings the doubt in my mind. This "buyout model" is common in my work, different markets, but similar broad concept, and I think they wanted to build enough hype for KTM or Honda to buy them out before they had to mass produce bikes. And I think KTM and Honda know how hard it is to succeed, especially with global supply chain, and called their bluff per se and are now waiting on them to unfortunately fail. Could be 100% wrong, we all have opinions right lol. 

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You could be right…I guess they could have just drastically underestimated the number of pre sales…and found themselves with a factory that couldn’t possibly meet that...

You could be right…I guess they could have just drastically underestimated the number of pre sales…and found themselves with a factory that couldn’t possibly meet that demand…

 

who knows?

Or they set a lofty goal for producing bikes in a time when supply chains were struggling and ended up being well behind there goal. This happens all the time in business. Have you ever built a custom home, plans change, deadlines change, needs change, unforeseen problems from changes come up. 
 

is it a bad look for stark to not have hundreds of bikes out yet?  Yes. Does that mean they are acting in bad faith. No. 

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Goldmember 6/6/2023 8:24pm
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Eicher Motors, the Indian conglomerate that 'invested' $50 million probably rescued Wass' arse and owns the brand.

The bikes are a simple, basic thing that a well resourced individual, say someone who owned an aerospace machine shop, could make. 

There is nothing hi tech about them and everything appears to have been supplied by contractors, and well known suppliers, no different from the dozens of boutique marques that litter the historic motorcycle landscape.

It's highly likely that Stark was a speculative venture, in the Silicon valley mould, and Wass was looking at selling for a cool billion or so on the hype. He's now forced to make a hugely expensive, probably loss making per unit toy, playbike. We are almost certain it cannot run 30 plus 2 with a pro so it is a dead duck as far as being the best MX bike evva.

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OrangeJuice158 6/6/2023 8:33pm
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Goldmember wrote:
Eicher Motors, the Indian conglomerate that 'invested' $50 million probably rescued Wass' arse and owns the brand. The bikes are a simple, basic thing that a...

Eicher Motors, the Indian conglomerate that 'invested' $50 million probably rescued Wass' arse and owns the brand.

The bikes are a simple, basic thing that a well resourced individual, say someone who owned an aerospace machine shop, could make. 

There is nothing hi tech about them and everything appears to have been supplied by contractors, and well known suppliers, no different from the dozens of boutique marques that litter the historic motorcycle landscape.

It's highly likely that Stark was a speculative venture, in the Silicon valley mould, and Wass was looking at selling for a cool billion or so on the hype. He's now forced to make a hugely expensive, probably loss making per unit toy, playbike. We are almost certain it cannot run 30 plus 2 with a pro so it is a dead duck as far as being the best MX bike evva.

I am picking up some subtle hints that you might not be buying a Stark

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Goldmember 6/6/2023 8:40pm
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OrangeJuice158 wrote:

I am picking up some subtle hints that you might not be buying a Stark

Along with billions of others....

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OrangeJuice158 wrote:

I am picking up some subtle hints that you might not be buying a Stark

Goldmember wrote:

Along with billions of others....

Along with the billions not buying ktm, Yamaha etc…

 

your just trying to hard now, the reel is out of line. Time to find another thing to beat to death. 
 

id suggest something to do with deegan or Jett.

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This thread keeps delivering on the weirdness lol

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