Does Chase’s SX Championship “Change the Silly Season”…?

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tuttle425 wrote:
The only reason KTM and Yamaha were in the hunt is because the Honda rider made numerous brain farts earlier in the season.  Points in the...

The only reason KTM and Yamaha were in the hunt is because the Honda rider made numerous brain farts earlier in the season.  Points in the early rounds count as much as points in the latter rounds.

Makes me want to vomit thinking of Chase on a KTM but I honestly think Honda thinks they are set with Hunter and Jett.  They'll have an SX only 450 guy next year and then it's the Jett/Hunter show for the next 10 years.  Unless something goes wrong but that never happens in moto.

So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah, that makes perfect sense lol.

As for becoming physically sick because of the thought of Sexton riding orange next year might warrant for some therapy dude. That's not a healthy mental state of mind to be walking around with.   

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How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

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Just my opinion, as I have ZERO inside knowledge. I wouldn't think this changes anything as far as who goes where for 2024. I assume that Jett and Hunter will be full time 450 class for 2024 with HRC. HRC will field Shimoda and Hymas on the 250's. Chase goes to KTM. I would assume it is too late in the game for HRC to change course and then have to field 3 full time 450 spots. I also think Chase wants to be the "A" rider on whatever team he goes to. Given that idea, KTM is probably a done deal. Eli retires from AMA racing, maybe does WSX instead (given the Achilles injury would put him out until about this time next year). The most logical deal for Star would be to sign Webb, and I would guess they sign Justin Cooper alongside him for full time 450's. As far as Ferrandis, the second spot at KTM seems probable (rumor is he wants off the Yamaha). Gas Gas has signed Barcia for 2 more years. It would make sense for the KTM group to put AP7 on a second Gas Gas 450 if Ferrandis goes to KTM. Rockstar Husky has Malcolm and Craig signed for 2024, no change there. Kawi has AC for at least another couple years. I assume that Anderson signs a one year extension and stays at Kawi for '24, then leaves for Triumph in 2025 to reunite with Bobby Hewitt. Roczen stays put with the Pipes group.

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

Allegedly*

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

yeah that seems a bit dodgy to me..

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

No one is going to sign a contract without riding the bike first, All these guys who want to switch teams ride the bikes before they sign and its kept on the low down. 

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

Happens all the time.

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It's funny how so many people are looking for Chase to be loyal to the massive corporate behemoth Honda vs the smaller niche company that has...

It's funny how so many people are looking for Chase to be loyal to the massive corporate behemoth Honda vs the smaller niche company that has made so many innovations with the motorcycles many of us ride.

What innovations has KTM done?  Make there pro racers only train at the bakers factory and get burned out way too soon? I believe your not...

What innovations has KTM done? 

Make there pro racers only train at the bakers factory and get burned out way too soon?

I believe your not going to surpass the japan motorcycle company's in innovations, most certain honda and yamaha.

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Pushing motor performance (hp), using hydraulic clutch, pushing weight loss on platforms, using components that aren't garbage (Brembo brakes, clutch baskets that aren't made of cheese...

Pushing motor performance (hp), using hydraulic clutch, pushing weight loss on platforms, using components that aren't garbage (Brembo brakes, clutch baskets that aren't made of cheese, machined triple clamps, cranks/transmissions that are a step up), easy air filter access, improved swing arm/chain guide design, etc.

Not even saying those are all clear improvements but to say they haven't pushed the envelope (in more recent years) is crazy.

Remember a couple years ago all the hype on Kawis multiple handlebar position clamp that KTM started doing *checks notes* 25 years ago.

 

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With all the talk of Chase going from Honda to KTM, what about going from Monster to RedBull?  Do you think Monster would sweeten the deal for Chase to stay at HRC and remain a Monster athlete?  Seems like Honda would want the #1 plate on their bike next year, and Monster would want their logo associated with it.

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

dan22 wrote:

yeah that seems a bit dodgy to me..

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Bruce372 wrote:
It's funny how so many people are looking for Chase to be loyal to the massive corporate behemoth Honda vs the smaller niche company that has...

It's funny how so many people are looking for Chase to be loyal to the massive corporate behemoth Honda vs the smaller niche company that has made so many innovations with the motorcycles many of us ride.

What innovations has KTM done?  Make there pro racers only train at the bakers factory and get burned out way too soon? I believe your not...

What innovations has KTM done? 

Make there pro racers only train at the bakers factory and get burned out way too soon?

I believe your not going to surpass the japan motorcycle company's in innovations, most certain honda and yamaha.

seth505 wrote:
Pushing motor performance (hp), using hydraulic clutch, pushing weight loss on platforms, using components that aren't garbage (Brembo brakes, clutch baskets that aren't made of cheese...

Pushing motor performance (hp), using hydraulic clutch, pushing weight loss on platforms, using components that aren't garbage (Brembo brakes, clutch baskets that aren't made of cheese, machined triple clamps, cranks/transmissions that are a step up), easy air filter access, improved swing arm/chain guide design, etc.

Not even saying those are all clear improvements but to say they haven't pushed the envelope (in more recent years) is crazy.

Surprised you didn't start with the magic button,

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First right of refusal was refused. KTM made him an offer 18 months ago, Honda matched, KTM offered more. The contract was signed, and became official...

First right of refusal was refused. KTM made him an offer 18 months ago, Honda matched, KTM offered more. The contract was signed, and became official in March. 
 
He rode the bike, he liked the bike, he’s gone. 

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You can sign a future contract while in the midst of fulfilling a current contract?

You can meet and offer someone a contract at anytime with a date on it. Most of the big names have a new contract signed buy March or April. 
 

  Ken signed a one year deal for 2016 with RCH while he had a signed letter of intent with Honda for 2017. There is a back story, but you get what I’m saying. 
 

 KTM can talk to anyone they want at any time and offer a contract, but a rider can’t sign it until there is a certain amount of time left on his current contract. Chase has had a contract in hand for over a year, but wasn’t able to sign it until March-April. 

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

The same way most other rider do, they set up a private track and go test for a day. Or they go riding with a team guy and he rides his bike. 
 

 Stewy tested the Yamaha for weeks at a private track in Bakersfield while he was still riding a Kawasaki outdoors. 
 

 
 

 

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kxking wrote:

How could Chase ride the KTM when he is under contract with Honda?

Isn't that a conflict of interest?

dan22 wrote:

yeah that seems a bit dodgy to me..

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Stewy wasn’t under any contract when that happened. He was using Honda against Kawasaki. Kawasaki wanted to put Stewy under the PC banner, the old man didn’t like that idea, so they used Honda to get him in the factory rig.

  

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dan22 wrote:

yeah that seems a bit dodgy to me..

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UpTiTe wrote:
Stewy wasn’t under any contract when that happened. He was using Honda against Kawasaki. Kawasaki wanted to put Stewy under the PC banner, the old man...

Stewy wasn’t under any contract when that happened. He was using Honda against Kawasaki. Kawasaki wanted to put Stewy under the PC banner, the old man didn’t like that idea, so they used Honda to get him in the factory rig.

  

Ah, OK. I always thought it was after he'd already gone pro.

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There is undoubtedly a Right of First Refusal in the contract.  Also, all of the contracts I have reviewed have "Championship Clauses" in them as well...

There is undoubtedly a Right of First Refusal in the contract.  Also, all of the contracts I have reviewed have "Championship Clauses" in them as well. It would be up to the OEM to exercise the clause.  It will be interesting as to how HRC is going to handle this.  They have been waiting for a premier title in SX since RC, so it would be easy to see how they would want to keep him. IF Chase is truly unhappy, I don't know that HRC would keep him around.  It will get really interesting if Chase wins the outdoors too.

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What does championship clause mean though that pertains to Honda keeping Chase? A clause where if he wins he has to stay? What does a championship...

What does championship clause mean though that pertains to Honda keeping Chase?

A clause where if he wins he has to stay? What does a championship clause have to do with him leaving?

I could see a clause that says if you win a championship we will renew but I don't believe that is the case here. It sounds like Chase wants to leave not stay so a clause really has nothing to do with this situation. 

It all depends on how the contract is written.  If it says that the contract is automatically renewed at X amount % increase  and there is...

It all depends on how the contract is written.  If it says that the contract is automatically renewed at X amount % increase  and there is not anything in it allowing either party to back out. Then it could change things. I don't know if any team has ever kept a rider that wanted to leave though.  If both Honda and Sexton wanted out of the deal they could probably make that happen no matter what the contract said. Plus Honda has the advantage of knowing how the testing has been going with Jett on a 450. So they have a little bit of  insight into how Jett will be on the 450. Practice and testing is different from racing though, but its still a piece of info I would factor into my decision if I was part of Team Honda. Even if they think Jett will beat Chase, it would be better to have them both just to be safe. And then with Hunter , they could sweep a podium or 2 here and there when they are all on 450's. Should be interesting how the next few years go.

I wonder which will change things up more,Chase winning the title, or Eli possible not being able to ride for a big  part of next year ( If he decides to come back) . I've seen estimates  for 8 weeks to 12 months or more for the injury Eli has. Who knows how long he will be out.I hope he comes back and doesn't go out like this. I saw that his wife posted that he WILL be back. I hope that is the case. Maybe this time away from racing will show Eli he wants to stick around longer than he thought he did.

I just still can not believe that happened. Such a strange thing. I feel for him and his family and team. I  also saw that his Dad had a similar injury, so another time that his Dad's experience can help him out . 

That’s could explain why chase looked pissed after finding out he’s the champ.  

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A good friend that knows some of the folks involved in this madness informed me that…

Jett & Hunter will -both- be on HRC 450s at A1 in 2024 & Shimoda will be on a 250. 

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TeamGreen wrote:
A good friend that knows some of the folks involved in this madness informed me that… Jett & Hunter will -both- be on HRC 450s at...

A good friend that knows some of the folks involved in this madness informed me that…

Jett & Hunter will -both- be on HRC 450s at A1 in 2024 & Shimoda will be on a 250. 

Hymas on 250 as well. 

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How soon do you guys think Star Yamaha is expecting a decision from Eli on whether he is going to race in 2024 or not? Or how long do you think they're willing to wait?

If Eli does decide to race, that would take a big chunk out of the budget to go after other riders. However, if they wait too long the other riders may have already committed to another team

I feel like the team may be in limbo waiting to hear what Eli's decision is and if they wait too long they may miss out on other opportunities.

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I have asked this before on the forum and didn’t get a straight answer- but, WHO was the first to report ‘Chase to KTM’ ?

I know all the media outlets have reported it now, but I’m interested in who said it first, and when, if anyone can help?

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Gravel wrote:
This conversation (and the knowledge that his main rival just got badly injured) explains why Chase looked so down after winning a main and unofficially the...

This conversation (and the knowledge that his main rival just got badly injured) explains why Chase looked so down after winning a main and unofficially the SX title. He had a look of a man who was trying to quietly and publicly balance a lot of changes.

He Chase never looks happy with Honda personal around him. Too corporate? Or deal is done.

I hope he stays

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tuttle425 wrote:
The only reason KTM and Yamaha were in the hunt is because the Honda rider made numerous brain farts earlier in the season.  Points in the...

The only reason KTM and Yamaha were in the hunt is because the Honda rider made numerous brain farts earlier in the season.  Points in the early rounds count as much as points in the latter rounds.

Makes me want to vomit thinking of Chase on a KTM but I honestly think Honda thinks they are set with Hunter and Jett.  They'll have an SX only 450 guy next year and then it's the Jett/Hunter show for the next 10 years.  Unless something goes wrong but that never happens in moto.

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So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah...

So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah, that makes perfect sense lol.

As for becoming physically sick because of the thought of Sexton riding orange next year might warrant for some therapy dude. That's not a healthy mental state of mind to be walking around with.   

"So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah, that makes perfect sense lol." - No, it makes no sense and that's not what I stated nor implied.  

"As for becoming physically sick because of the thought of Sexton riding orange next year might warrant for some therapy dude. That's not a healthy mental state of mind to be walking around with." - Clearly you are unfamiliar with hyperbole.

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So does anyone know what the bonus for bringing a #1 plate to a new team is.  

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bigk218 wrote:

So does anyone know what the bonus for bringing a #1 plate to a new team is.  

Nothing. I would say leverage but his deal has been “done” for months. 

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bigk218 wrote:

So does anyone know what the bonus for bringing a #1 plate to a new team is.  

Nothing. I would say leverage but his deal has been “done” for months. 

Maybe that’s what was bugging him on the Denver podium.. thinking about how much more he could have gotten after pulling an SX title? 

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Would a Sexton, Lawrence thing even work?   A first place guy and a 4-7th place guy would probably be fine, but if they're both, or possibly...

Would a Sexton, Lawrence thing even work?   A first place guy and a 4-7th place guy would probably be fine, but if they're both, or possibly all three fighting for wins, things would probably get pretty heated at the Honda semi.

It’s certainly not unprecedented at Honda. Stanton and Bayle, then eventually McGrath adding to the roster, Honda has been in this predicament a few times. Obviously in the mid to late 80’s also. 
 

Something about it does seem implausible, but as a few have already pointed out, having so many dominant riders after a two decade’s dry spell might actually work. Talk about cementing Honda as the powerhouse team of the sport. 

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bigk218 wrote:

So does anyone know what the bonus for bringing a #1 plate to a new team is.  

Nothing. I would say leverage but his deal has been “done” for months. 

Gravel wrote:

Maybe that’s what was bugging him on the Denver podium.. thinking about how much more he could have gotten after pulling an SX title? 

100% there is a kicker in the KTM contract that pays him more money if he brings a #1 plate over to the team.

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tuttle425 wrote:
"So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah...

"So Sexton's f' ups were "brain farts" and not the Honda but with Coop's "brain fart" it was the KTM and not his own mistake? Yeah, that makes perfect sense lol." - No, it makes no sense and that's not what I stated nor implied.  

"As for becoming physically sick because of the thought of Sexton riding orange next year might warrant for some therapy dude. That's not a healthy mental state of mind to be walking around with." - Clearly you are unfamiliar with hyperbole.

Definition of Hyperbole- See tuttle425 post on Vital MX lol. 

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Nothing. I would say leverage but his deal has been “done” for months. 

Gravel wrote:

Maybe that’s what was bugging him on the Denver podium.. thinking about how much more he could have gotten after pulling an SX title? 

avidchimp wrote:

100% there is a kicker in the KTM contract that pays him more money if he brings a #1 plate over to the team.

Then I'm sure there is a clause in the Honda contract that says.....'but if you win the title ....

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Wiff3 wrote:
Would a Sexton, Lawrence thing even work?   A first place guy and a 4-7th place guy would probably be fine, but if they're both, or possibly...

Would a Sexton, Lawrence thing even work?   A first place guy and a 4-7th place guy would probably be fine, but if they're both, or possibly all three fighting for wins, things would probably get pretty heated at the Honda semi.

It’s certainly not unprecedented at Honda. Stanton and Bayle, then eventually McGrath adding to the roster, Honda has been in this predicament a few times. Obviously...

It’s certainly not unprecedented at Honda. Stanton and Bayle, then eventually McGrath adding to the roster, Honda has been in this predicament a few times. Obviously in the mid to late 80’s also. 
 

Something about it does seem implausible, but as a few have already pointed out, having so many dominant riders after a two decade’s dry spell might actually work. Talk about cementing Honda as the powerhouse team of the sport. 

except, according to a few, the deal is already done, so Honda cannot stop him going to KTM whether they want to or not

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