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Why do so many of you want this to fail so hard? It's sad. 99% of people in this thread don't have a deposit on one so why does it matter to you? Does it give you that much of a boner to try and make people feel bad about maybe losing a 100-dollar deposit?
He said after a 15 minute session, it would have enough for 2 more sessions. This was at 65 HP, on a hard-pack track.
My guess is it might eke out a 30 minute moto at Southwick at 50 HP in the hands of a pro. I would love to be proved wrong, though.
Having said that, for the majority of people, on the majority of tracks, it should be a great bike.
Do you want the plague to come back? This is how the plague comes back.
If I park my Stark Varg next to my 74 YZ250A & my 72 CZ will they all get along better than the folks here or should they be kept in separate rooms/buildings?
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If I can get 10 min of warm up riding and two 15 min motos out of that thing without recharging and have the benefit of better performance and much less maintenance and engine/motor wear, I won‘t look back on gas powered bikes. I’m gonna miss the smell of my 125SX, but that’s about it.
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My motocross bike and generator together only weigh 220 pounds!
The generator is actually onboard the bike - between the frame rails. It goes a long time on a tank of gas, and it only takes a minute to add more. As an added bonus, the generator sounds AWESOME and the exhaust even smells good. My pit area is silent, as I only need to run the generator while I'm running the bike out on the track.
It's hard to explain, but it's actually just a generator running directly to the rear wheels. It cuts out the heavy battery and electric motor from the bike. Super simple and lightweight.
You must be in the "2nd strokes are going to make a comeback" crowd.
Stop with the maintenance already. The things that require the most maintenance on dirt bikes are on this thing too. Forks, shock, linkage…..the last being the most needed maintenance that needs to be done constantly or the things just go to shit. Plenty of maintenance to be done still
Not sure what that means. This is one of those moments where you don’t have even a fifth of the picture so probably best to not speak on it.
do you have a deposit on a stark?
Nope. Not interested in an e-bike. Do you?
Imagine if crazy scientists came up with a liquid fuel called petrol that per kilogram stored 10 times the energy of the best batteries.
Imagine also if people knew that lithium ion batteries have a liquid hydrocarbon and lithium electrolyte. The liquid is as energetic and flammable as petrol, and the lithium spontaneously combusts on exposure to air and when in contact with water reacts violently, produces great heat, explosive hydrogen gas and extremely toxic lithium hydroxide.
Batteries are far more dangerous and once on fire cannot be extinguished.
link?
This may have been posted already, but it’s good back-and-forth with the owner of Stark. He talks about delivery, delays, and strategy moving forward.
https://www.cyclenews.com/2023/04/article/stark-varg-delivery-update/
The plague is better than being bit by a red belly water moccasin.
Better tell the rail industry how much money they're wasting using diesel generators to power the electric motor that propels the train!
That ain't venomous dude. Hard to tell when your sarcasm is on or off though...
Which is why I find it so curious that you'd want to join that scaredy-cat dude by curling up into a fetal position and huddling with him in a corner. Surely you don't actually think the E-Motocross bike storm will blow over and your ICE-bike kingdom will be restored, do you? If you do, well that's just sad. It ain't happening, bud. To believe that is to believe that snake wouldn't have bitten you if given the chance.
Allow me to clarify my point. As a private track owner who successfully beat back lawsuits by both the E.P.A. and F.E.M.A., I can tell you, by way of actual experience rather than biased opinion, that the Feds give you two options: give an inch, or lose a mile. I gave an inch, and my track survived their assault. Two other private track owners a few minutes away from me didn't budge, and that gave the Feds the opportunity they needed, and they ruined both of them. Bankrupt, tracks gone, broke, busted, helpless, hopeless, penniless. And the bureaucrat that did it to them got promoted, which is exactly what she was seeking when she filed her lawsuits against us in the first place. They're coming for us all, yes, hell I had giant, black, sonar-equipped government planes circling my property surveilling the piss out of it, for Christ's sake. it was terrifying, yes, but they only win if you give them the OPPORTUNITY, and this confoundingly stupid-ass hope you have that the Varg will fail offers you nothing but the potential for a Pyrrhic Victory.
So then, all you dumbshits reading this need to start your re-education by looking up two things: (1.) Pyrrhic Victory. (2.) the Sackett v. E.P.A. court case. That Supreme Court case is easily the most informative thing you'll ever read about the utterly cutthroat, unflinchingly vicious, nature of our opponent, Uncle Sam. I know the case's particulars by heart, and so should you.
NEXT: I once had to console one of my best friends after someone had just died in his arms. A man had passed on after his bike hit a false neutral on a jump face on a track my friend had just finished building minutes before. He was almost inconsolable. So then, forgive me if I don't share a conviction that the Varg having no gearbox and thus no potential for false neutrals makes it sacrilegious.
NEXT: I once waited for what seemed like forever for a LifeFlight to arrive and carry off a lovely, gifted young racer with multiple internals injuries and broken bones, including a compounded femur that was sticking right out of his pants and into the fresh air, after his top-end seized on a different jump face. So then, forgive me here as well, if I don't share a conviction that the Varg not having a piston to seize ALSO makes it sacrilegious. Never saw that kid again, by the way, as his riding days were done.
NEXT: As someone who has owned his own tracks for decades now, I have naturally met other track owners as well, for it's something of a club. Most guys had private tracks like me, but some some had public ones, and you lilly-fingered keyboard-typing dipshits have NO IDEA the physical and financial struggle they go through to keep this sport alive. It's not like we private owners have it easy, god knows, I probably spend 40 hours working on my track for every fifteen minutes I spend riding it, but we've got it easy COMPARED TO THEM. Of all the owners I've known, maybe one out of five is still in business, with the vast, vast majority of them having lost their tracks due to noise complaints. This horrific, extinction-level noise pollution crisis is a GLOBAL one, governments everywhere are using it as their preferred weapon of choice in shutting down tracks and bankrupting track owners. It's like a knife to them, and your opposition to anything E-related is like a file they get to use to hone that knife to a razor's edge. So once more, forgive me if I don't share your tendency toward genuflection at the sound of a poorly-muffled 450, for I see it for what it is: an assassin coming to kill off something I've loved since I was a little kid. Let there be no doubt here, the Stark Varg is, at least for now, our only counter-assassin.
NEXT: The battery. E-bike technology is the only real hope the sport of motocross has for long-term survival, for reasons I just wrote about (fewer catastrophic injuries, elimination of noise issues) so one more time, forgive me if I appear apathetic about whether the Varg will handle a 30-minute mudder or a 30-plus-2 sand track romp or a dessert run or a GNCC. With all due respect, I don't give a rat's ass about anything but whether it will work on an average motocross loop on an average day for an average rider - and we already know it will, with ease. The only other option we have is more of what we're getting right now, which is fewer and fewer tracks in operation, so don't be a "uselful idiot" (look it up) and make the perfect the enemy of the good.
LAST: If I'm to be candid here, I should mention that I'm playing with house money. Between myself and two good friends, we own a total of 400 acres up here, with almost 100 of them waterfront. There's two tracks now and another in progress, so I have zero fear of not having a place to ride whatever the hell I choose to, whenever the hell I want to. I also have a sports car collection in my barn that's begun to ask for more of my attention, and because I'm 62, slowly switching my hobby over to car racing seems to have gained a little momentum. We'll see. So no, none of this will affect me directly. My dog in the hunt is a newborn kid out there somewhere who will one day hope to be a great motocross racer, because a million years ago I had a Z50 that I rode all-day-every-day in the field next to my house hoping to one day be like Ake Jonsson on his Maico. Plain and simple, I'll be damned if I'll stay silent while that newborn kid's future opportunity to find joy riding in the field next to his house is mindlessly fucked with by all you feckless, conspiracy-theorist, morons.
Yeah, you know who you are.
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It's hard to tell from the picture, but I promise you that's a red belly water moccasin, it ain't no chicken snake. I don't kill good snakes.
Cool story.
Hard to argue with that...lots of good points there...even if I disagree on some, the experience of dealing with the feds is spot on. The misguided (even if well-intended) J6 protestors discovered this all too well....
Red bellied waterbsnakes are not water moccasins and not venemous. The flat pattern and small head on that snake make me think it's not a water moccasin.
Believing that the government wants to limit freedom of movement by limiting the combustion engine is a conspiracy theory?
My Alta MXR worked really well in the mud. We had a rainy day in socal here a couple years ago and i was out on the main clicking laps off soaking wet.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CG1EC6iAaom/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
It's no viper for sure.
Water moccasins have a distinct arrow head shape to the heads, like any viper.
You service the Forks and linkage more often than you clean air filters? Or change engine and trans oil? Or change clutches? So many people ride their bikes and NEVER change their suspension oils, or touch their linkage. Just buy a fresh bike each year. Maybe have the shock and fork oils changed 1 time or 2 per season. But so many people have no clue that linkage still comes as dry as an old lady's undercarriage. Just a couple drops of grease. Electric motors are much more simply than ICE. No pistons, valves,clutches, trans gears, cranks, cams , cam chains , spark plugs . Yes you still will have to deal with the chassis maintenance. Brake pads , chain and sprockets. Maybe some of those parts will wear out faster on electric bike. I remember how my front tires never wore out on my 2 strokes and then when I got on a 450 I started to eat up front tires twice as fast as I did on my old 2 strokes.
I think that Stark , if they see these posts can see that the people that are really worked up about the delays are the people who all say they will quit before riding electric So why would they care about those people? Yah they could put out some info saying that new regulations, supply chain issues, and wanting to get some more range, or have the bike deal with heat better, or some other reason. That all those things together were what was going on. And then the same people who are saying they are a scam, or they will never delirer a bike , would not believe them anyway. Or say everybody is like, OK that's cool, makes total sense. Then all the posting stops. Its easy to see that most of the Electric haters really do not know much about electric motocross bikes from what they post anyway. So most people seriously thinking of buying a Stark would not be bothered by seeing the same old lame BS that everybody and their brother has been saying since they first saw an electric vehicle. I guess I'm as silly as you for engaging in these arguments. It looksl ike there are 5 guys that hate electric that are always commenting with the same old stuff.
Its only a matter of time, if not the Varg, somebody will come out with a full sized electric MX bike. Look at the market for Sur-rons a new segment of motorcycle, getting people into riding that may never have. That will probably at some point also end up owning a gas powered bike for some types of riding. Unfortunately if the world is going all electric, and we fight to not have electric dirt bikes, then the sport would just go away , if there is a total ban on gas power. I think the real push behind electric is the much higher profit margins that can be had with electric vehicles. Limiting the ability for people to travel sounds crazy. If the time comes that electric is the more common power for cars and trucks, then the charging systems and speeds will be much more on par with Gas . So many people are making the same arguments that people made AGAINST gas power back in the days of Horses. No place to re fuel the gas vehicle, while a horse can just eat grass on the side of the road. And similar stuff when electric became the standard to use for lighting. Generators running in basements. The grid did not exist. So if Electric is ever going to take over as the main source for vehicles, the support for it to work will be there.
And to me an electric Motocross bike is solving more problems than electric cars do. The lack of noise is a big benefit with a motocross bike for a lot of places. Noise complaints are always the first thing to be a problem for a track or riding spot. In my personal experiences. The adjustability of power is a big one that can help new riders too. It would keep a new rider from going out and buying 450 so their friends don't make fun of them riding a beginner bike. Instead they could have a Varg, and their buddies would see a bike that can have 80HP, but he could learn at 20HP. And have a bike that can grow with their skills. And have a really good chassis to begin with. I'm not totally sold on the Varg being everything they started out to make it be. I'm glad that they are trying to make the bike they are saying they want to build. And I hope it ends up being as close to what they say it can be when some of the Never EV people get to try one out and see how amazing electric can be.
Not to turn this thread into something that it isn't but their plans kicked off in 2020 and want everything digitalised (ID, Car's your whole life) by 2030.
It is extremely important to resist.
That's the last post about the situation from me.
Haha arguing about snakes in an electric dirt bike thread.
Humans!
Not to discount this at all because these are some of the best times riding and looks like it was a blast!
But I think when we talk about mud, I think more like this. No, it’s not me. It’s my pops at Glen Helen a few years back.
Or this
So, bow down and give up on freedom right? Great advice. You think if everyone grows up on only ebikes that motocross will be anywhere near the same experience you and everyone here had growing up on gas bikes? Not even close.
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