2024 Silly Season

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4/3/2023 9:17am Edited Date/Time 4/3/2023 10:05am

Now that Cooper is back in the mix for the championship…

I wonder if he’s still feeling burnt out and talking about retiring? 

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4/3/2023 9:34am
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Star had ElI and Dylan last year. Two champs.  KTM had Marv and Coop when both were top 5 Who's to say both riders choose the...

Star had ElI and Dylan last year. Two champs. 

KTM had Marv and Coop when both were top 5

Who's to say both riders choose the most money possible? As Redbull athletes, they have only a couple of teams they can go to. If redbull keeps them paid well, they can choose to stay at HRC together. Energy drink money didn't exist in the RC and JS7 days. 

Again, not saying it will happen, I just think a blanket statement like they can't do it is ridiculous. 

Marv, Coop, and AP are all RedBull athletes through their team deals so if they leave KTM, their RB deals are up. 

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4/3/2023 9:39am
tek14 wrote:

How Webb will do without Aldon Baker in his corner and riding with Honda. Seems Webb needs someone to help and Aldon stays with KTM group. 

SX_336 wrote:
THIS!! Webb won’t train on his own like he does with Aldon.    Splitting up the Lawrence Brothers would be a mistake. Having them on the...

THIS!! Webb won’t train on his own like he does with Aldon. 
 

Splitting up the Lawrence Brothers would be a mistake. Having them on the same team helps them push each other. 
 

Anyone that says Hunter won’t be up front on the 450’s isn’t thinking clearly. I guarantee you he will be up front. He and Jett are more technically proficient than anyone in their classes and most of the 450 class. I think Johnny O’mara is highly underrated and has them both dialed. 
 

No one would push or protect Jett better on the big bikes than Hunter. Hunter stays at Honda. Webb isn’t going to mentor anyone. He would only Disrupt what Honda is building with Jett. 
 

If they want a SX only guy that would be a good mentor they should go for Musquin. He would be better than Webb as a mentor and get decent results. 

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Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of...

Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of them. 

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

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It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450...

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one. 
 

Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see how much money they are putting into their program. I would not assume Honda will break the bank to keep Jett and Hunter. They will keep Jett because he is more marketable. Hunter we will see. 

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4/3/2023 12:39pm
It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450...

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

wrc777 wrote:
Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one.    Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see...

Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one. 
 

Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see how much money they are putting into their program. I would not assume Honda will break the bank to keep Jett and Hunter. They will keep Jett because he is more marketable. Hunter we will see. 

In terms of 450 championships, yes they are in need. 

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4/3/2023 12:58pm
SX_336 wrote:
THIS!! Webb won’t train on his own like he does with Aldon.    Splitting up the Lawrence Brothers would be a mistake. Having them on the...

THIS!! Webb won’t train on his own like he does with Aldon. 
 

Splitting up the Lawrence Brothers would be a mistake. Having them on the same team helps them push each other. 
 

Anyone that says Hunter won’t be up front on the 450’s isn’t thinking clearly. I guarantee you he will be up front. He and Jett are more technically proficient than anyone in their classes and most of the 450 class. I think Johnny O’mara is highly underrated and has them both dialed. 
 

No one would push or protect Jett better on the big bikes than Hunter. Hunter stays at Honda. Webb isn’t going to mentor anyone. He would only Disrupt what Honda is building with Jett. 
 

If they want a SX only guy that would be a good mentor they should go for Musquin. He would be better than Webb as a mentor and get decent results. 

wrc777 wrote:
Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of...

Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of them. 

Honda has more money then every other manufacturer combined. Not talking HRC, but Honda corporate. DO you remember the 80' and 90' when almost every good...

Honda has more money then every other manufacturer combined. Not talking HRC, but Honda corporate. DO you remember the 80' and 90' when almost every good rider was on a Honda. KTM is worth close to a Billion. Honda is 42.6 Billion

Different leadership who doesn’t care so much about winning. 

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4/3/2023 1:03pm
TeamGreen wrote:

Now that Cooper is back in the mix for the championship…

I wonder if he’s still feeling burnt out and talking about retiring? 

6 months away from Aldon and skipping the nationals has a way of rejuvenating you.  

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Marv, Coop, and AP are all RedBull athletes through their team deals so if they leave KTM, their RB deals are up. 

Marvin and Webb are direct Red Bull athletes, just like Roczen, the Lawrences, Herlings, ...

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It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450...

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

wrc777 wrote:
Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one.    Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see...

Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one. 
 

Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see how much money they are putting into their program. I would not assume Honda will break the bank to keep Jett and Hunter. They will keep Jett because he is more marketable. Hunter we will see. 

Ferrari doesn't need championships either but it keeps them relevant.

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4/4/2023 7:47am
wrc777 wrote:
Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of...

Here is the problem with both Lawrence’s staying at Honda long term. If they both ride up front, Honda won’t be able to afford both of them. 

Honda has more money then every other manufacturer combined. Not talking HRC, but Honda corporate. DO you remember the 80' and 90' when almost every good...

Honda has more money then every other manufacturer combined. Not talking HRC, but Honda corporate. DO you remember the 80' and 90' when almost every good rider was on a Honda. KTM is worth close to a Billion. Honda is 42.6 Billion

UpTiTe wrote:

Different leadership who doesn’t care so much about winning. 

Leadership changed last year at Honda and they immediately confirmed interest in staying in F1. I would not be too quick to make that assumption. 

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4/4/2023 11:37am

Leadership changed last year at Honda and they immediately confirmed interest in staying in F1. I would not be too quick to make that assumption. 

F1 generates a lot more revenue than Motocross.

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4/4/2023 11:54am

Leadership changed last year at Honda and they immediately confirmed interest in staying in F1. I would not be too quick to make that assumption. 

DunnySeat wrote:

F1 generates a lot more revenue than Motocross.

Does it for a sponsor like Honda providing powertrains? They spend hundreds of millions developing an engine, and all they get is brand awareness. Hard to quantify and as we've seen countless examples of, they often don't stick around long term. 

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4/4/2023 2:41pm
DunnySeat wrote:

Marv, Coop, and AP are all RedBull athletes through their team deals so if they leave KTM, their RB deals are up. 

-MAVERICK- wrote:

Marvin and Webb are direct Red Bull athletes, just like Roczen, the Lawrences, Herlings, ...

Just like Sexton with Monster and huge money so he will stay Monster

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4/4/2023 3:12pm

The talk is 450 rides this silly season but the 250 class has just as much movement.

Do we think Mitch will be in position in 2024 to hold a tryout for team spots? Who is guaranteed a PC ride for next year?

If I had my bets I think it'll look something like this. Forkner, Hammaker, Vohland, DiFrancesco.                                                    Does Mitch put a 5th guy on the team? Lopes, Mumford, Reynolds, who else? 

Id have to think Mosiman is out at  TLD, who gets the opportunity there? Mumford has a prior relationship with TLD from his amateur career.

Would love to see a guy like Kelly, Walsh, Wageman, Yoder get a shot at that ride or possibly a Club ride, something with a stronger program put together to elevate there results. 

Star has signed every amateur rider so no one to grab coming up. 🤣

Still alot of support rides out there that I hope continue to provide opportunity for these riders as well.


ML can we get one of those early season team sheets put together? I know you have an idea of the movement!
 

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4/5/2023 9:28am

My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have the reigns on his technique and practiced. Clearly what they do works. 

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Zycki11 wrote:
My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have...

My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have the reigns on his technique and practiced. Clearly what they do works. 

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive with KTM. 

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4/5/2023 11:42am
tweedleD wrote:
The talk is 450 rides this silly season but the 250 class has just as much movement. Do we think Mitch will be in position in...

The talk is 450 rides this silly season but the 250 class has just as much movement.

Do we think Mitch will be in position in 2024 to hold a tryout for team spots? Who is guaranteed a PC ride for next year?

If I had my bets I think it'll look something like this. Forkner, Hammaker, Vohland, DiFrancesco.                                                    Does Mitch put a 5th guy on the team? Lopes, Mumford, Reynolds, who else? 

Id have to think Mosiman is out at  TLD, who gets the opportunity there? Mumford has a prior relationship with TLD from his amateur career.

Would love to see a guy like Kelly, Walsh, Wageman, Yoder get a shot at that ride or possibly a Club ride, something with a stronger program put together to elevate there results. 

Star has signed every amateur rider so no one to grab coming up. 🤣

Still alot of support rides out there that I hope continue to provide opportunity for these riders as well.


ML can we get one of those early season team sheets put together? I know you have an idea of the movement!
 

Who does star currently have on the amateur program besides Dax? Or you just mean over the years 

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4/5/2023 12:17pm Edited Date/Time 4/5/2023 12:18pm

I was just thinking about Mitch & PC. They have had the worst luck over the last few years, when it wasn't too long ago that Pro Circuit was as much the "dream team" for 250's as Team Honda was for the big bikes back in the 80's. I have always admired Mitch, and I hope he has the opportunity to sign some guys that can actually take it to Star and the KTM/Husky/GasGas teams. 

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4/5/2023 12:34pm
davistld01 wrote:
I was just thinking about Mitch & PC. They have had the worst luck over the last few years, when it wasn't too long ago that...

I was just thinking about Mitch & PC. They have had the worst luck over the last few years, when it wasn't too long ago that Pro Circuit was as much the "dream team" for 250's as Team Honda was for the big bikes back in the 80's. I have always admired Mitch, and I hope he has the opportunity to sign some guys that can actually take it to Star and the KTM/Husky/GasGas teams. 

Don't forget Honda HRC in there. I've been wondering if he doesn't have a great budget to pay riders so he can't get the top-top dogs?

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It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450...

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

wrc777 wrote:
Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one.    Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see...

Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one. 
 

Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see how much money they are putting into their program. I would not assume Honda will break the bank to keep Jett and Hunter. They will keep Jett because he is more marketable. Hunter we will see. 

18B selling cars and copper washers and about tree fitty selling motorcycles

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tweedleD wrote:
The talk is 450 rides this silly season but the 250 class has just as much movement. Do we think Mitch will be in position in...

The talk is 450 rides this silly season but the 250 class has just as much movement.

Do we think Mitch will be in position in 2024 to hold a tryout for team spots? Who is guaranteed a PC ride for next year?

If I had my bets I think it'll look something like this. Forkner, Hammaker, Vohland, DiFrancesco.                                                    Does Mitch put a 5th guy on the team? Lopes, Mumford, Reynolds, who else? 

Id have to think Mosiman is out at  TLD, who gets the opportunity there? Mumford has a prior relationship with TLD from his amateur career.

Would love to see a guy like Kelly, Walsh, Wageman, Yoder get a shot at that ride or possibly a Club ride, something with a stronger program put together to elevate there results. 

Star has signed every amateur rider so no one to grab coming up. 🤣

Still alot of support rides out there that I hope continue to provide opportunity for these riders as well.


ML can we get one of those early season team sheets put together? I know you have an idea of the movement!
 

Who does star currently have on the amateur program besides Dax? Or you just mean over the years 

Well Jordon Smith and Deegan are signed for next season, assuming DAX moves up. Not sure what some of the other contracts look like besides Kitchen being a FA

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Zycki11 wrote:
My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have...

My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have the reigns on his technique and practiced. Clearly what they do works. 

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive...

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive with KTM. 

I'm having a hard time seeing the value a top tier trainer like Aldon would have for Sexton.  Other than just general change.

Sexton is in great shape and has speed.  If Sexton was dropping back at the end of the moto, overweight, had arm pump all the time then I could see what a regimented program would gain him. Clearly the program helped Malcolm and got him fit, but Malcolm unfortunately crashed his way out of contention early in SX. 

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Zycki11 wrote:
My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have...

My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have the reigns on his technique and practiced. Clearly what they do works. 

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive...

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive with KTM. 

KurtJ99 wrote:
I'm having a hard time seeing the value a top tier trainer like Aldon would have for Sexton.  Other than just general change. Sexton is in...

I'm having a hard time seeing the value a top tier trainer like Aldon would have for Sexton.  Other than just general change.

Sexton is in great shape and has speed.  If Sexton was dropping back at the end of the moto, overweight, had arm pump all the time then I could see what a regimented program would gain him. Clearly the program helped Malcolm and got him fit, but Malcolm unfortunately crashed his way out of contention early in SX. 

You are definitely right about his fitness, but I think working with Aldon will also boost his confidence/mental strength. 

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Zycki11 wrote:
My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have...

My interest peaks with Sexton and Aldon if he were to go to KTM. Sexton is clearly in great shape and his dad and himself have the reigns on his technique and practiced. Clearly what they do works. 

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive...

He would be such a perfect fit there with Aldon, Roger, and Ian. I’m sad to see him leave Honda, but I definitely think he’ll thrive with KTM. 

KurtJ99 wrote:
I'm having a hard time seeing the value a top tier trainer like Aldon would have for Sexton.  Other than just general change. Sexton is in...

I'm having a hard time seeing the value a top tier trainer like Aldon would have for Sexton.  Other than just general change.

Sexton is in great shape and has speed.  If Sexton was dropping back at the end of the moto, overweight, had arm pump all the time then I could see what a regimented program would gain him. Clearly the program helped Malcolm and got him fit, but Malcolm unfortunately crashed his way out of contention early in SX. 

Dungey was in great shape and worked harder before going to Aldon's. Aldon's program gave him structure. He didn't have to worry about anything. Show up, and here are the programs for the day/week. I believe he said it also helped him on the mental side of things. 

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Well Jordon Smith and Deegan are signed for next season, assuming DAX moves up. Not sure what some of the other contracts look like besides Kitchen...

Well Jordon Smith and Deegan are signed for next season, assuming DAX moves up. Not sure what some of the other contracts look like besides Kitchen being a FA

Stylze and Thrasher are both signed for next year. 

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Shimoda with the Lawrence brothers would be a really potent combo.  All 3 really gel well together.

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4/5/2023 6:31pm
It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450...

It would be the most logical and wise decision to keep both of them signed if Honda is serious enough and wants to get a 450 Championship indoors and out...it's been awhile.

wrc777 wrote:
Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one.    Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see...

Do they need a championship? They seem to sell bikes just fine without one. 
 

Suzuki is worth $18B as a company and we can see how much money they are putting into their program. I would not assume Honda will break the bank to keep Jett and Hunter. They will keep Jett because he is more marketable. Hunter we will see. 

skeef wrote:

18B selling cars and copper washers and about tree fitty selling motorcycles

Is the copper washer thing a joke or an actual Honda thing lol 

4/6/2023 4:48am
KYFHO699 wrote:

Shimoda with the Lawrence brothers would be a really potent combo.  All 3 really gel well together.

There’s no love between Hunter and Shimoda. 

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KYFHO699 wrote:

Shimoda with the Lawrence brothers would be a really potent combo.  All 3 really gel well together.

UpTiTe wrote:

There’s no love between Hunter and Shimoda. 

U sure about that??  Lets revisit it this fall.

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4/6/2023 7:32am
KYFHO699 wrote:

Shimoda with the Lawrence brothers would be a really potent combo.  All 3 really gel well together.

UpTiTe wrote:

There’s no love between Hunter and Shimoda. 

JBlain619 wrote:

U sure about that??  Lets revisit it this fall.

Positive.  

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