Tomac Vs. Webb

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Let's face it, there is a battle for the championship between JUST two riders,..and from what I seen late Saturday night, Tomac was not winded,....

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3/29/2023 7:49pm

I hope they are within two points going into Salt Lake City.  Winner takes all.  

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3/29/2023 9:46pm Edited Date/Time 3/29/2023 9:46pm

Funny how Webb never has finger guns or snarky comments for Tomac Huh

 

Either way it’s gonna be a badass final few rounds of SX 

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3/29/2023 9:47pm

I haven’t seen Webb look “broken” this season til Seattle. The last few laps they followed him around with the cameras and he made a ton of weird little mistakes and just didn’t look comfortable on the bike. He seemed really frustrated. The two prior rounds I thought momentum had shifted in his favor, but if Eli stays on his course I think he comes out ahead. 

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3/29/2023 11:11pm

Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure? 
 

That’s what it’ll come down to I think. 
 

After this, I suspect neither of them will perform outdoors this summer. 

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3/30/2023 1:12am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2023 1:13am

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

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3/30/2023 1:17am

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

You wanna be careful making statements like that around here- someone will hold you to account with that and insist you hand over the payment to someone who can be trusted until the end of the season. 

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From what I see it's better to always finish 2nd rather than have some occasional wins next to barely top 10 finishes. Webb is always in the ballpark of the podium. He is the Mr. Consistency at this point. So yeah, it's gonna be Webb this time.

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Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure?    That’s what it’ll come down to I think.    After this, I suspect neither of them...

Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure? 
 

That’s what it’ll come down to I think. 
 

After this, I suspect neither of them will perform outdoors this summer. 

You suspect the guy who has won 4 outdoor national titles to not perform outdoors this summer?  

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Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure?    That’s what it’ll come down to I think.    After this, I suspect neither of them...

Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure? 
 

That’s what it’ll come down to I think. 
 

After this, I suspect neither of them will perform outdoors this summer. 

cwel11 wrote:

You suspect the guy who has won 4 outdoor national titles to not perform outdoors this summer?  

If it was a given, how do you explain 2020?

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3/30/2023 3:57am

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

I'm not sure you know what the whole "2.0" phrase means. That would infer he's better than RC which is laughable

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3/30/2023 5:20am

Tomac is always better when his back is against the wall, it’s like he doesn’t know how to ride when he has a points cushion..

I think he will dominate these last few rounds

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3/30/2023 5:47am
I haven’t seen Webb look “broken” this season til Seattle. The last few laps they followed him around with the cameras and he made a ton...

I haven’t seen Webb look “broken” this season til Seattle. The last few laps they followed him around with the cameras and he made a ton of weird little mistakes and just didn’t look comfortable on the bike. He seemed really frustrated. The two prior rounds I thought momentum had shifted in his favor, but if Eli stays on his course I think he comes out ahead. 

You could definitely see the frustration when he took his helmet off. He made a big push and couldn't catch Tomac. Can you imagine how huge it would've been mentally if Webb would've caught Tomac? Nope, Tomac inched away at the end.

Six races left let's goooo

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3/30/2023 7:20am

Webb's efforts this season remind me of Dungey. Not always the fastest guy, always in the hunt for a podium. This strategy has worked against Tomac in the past... But, Tomac is arguably a much different rider than he was then. 

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Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure?    That’s what it’ll come down to I think.    After this, I suspect neither of them...

Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure? 
 

That’s what it’ll come down to I think. 
 

After this, I suspect neither of them will perform outdoors this summer. 

cwel11 wrote:

You suspect the guy who has won 4 outdoor national titles to not perform outdoors this summer?  

If it was a given, how do you explain 2020?

I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was allowed to change what he wanted...and then won both championships seems to add some credibility to that theory? 

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cwel11 wrote:

You suspect the guy who has won 4 outdoor national titles to not perform outdoors this summer?  

If it was a given, how do you explain 2020?

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I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was...

I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was allowed to change what he wanted...and then won both championships seems to add some credibility to that theory? 

Also how bad he did in 2021 SX and MX would lend to the theory of something being off. After that SX title Tomac was very un Tomac like until 2022 SX. 

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Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure?    That’s what it’ll come down to I think.    After this, I suspect neither of them...

Who is most susceptible to mental fatigue and pressure? 
 

That’s what it’ll come down to I think. 
 

After this, I suspect neither of them will perform outdoors this summer. 

You really can’t put Webb and Tomac together when discussing outdoors. One of them has 4 450 MX career podiums the other has 4 450 MX titles. 

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I haven’t seen Webb look “broken” this season til Seattle. The last few laps they followed him around with the cameras and he made a ton...

I haven’t seen Webb look “broken” this season til Seattle. The last few laps they followed him around with the cameras and he made a ton of weird little mistakes and just didn’t look comfortable on the bike. He seemed really frustrated. The two prior rounds I thought momentum had shifted in his favor, but if Eli stays on his course I think he comes out ahead. 

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You could definitely see the frustration when he took his helmet off. He made a big push and couldn't catch Tomac. Can you imagine how huge...

You could definitely see the frustration when he took his helmet off. He made a big push and couldn't catch Tomac. Can you imagine how huge it would've been mentally if Webb would've caught Tomac? Nope, Tomac inched away at the end.

Six races left let's goooo

I didn't get that he was frustrated.... He looked pissed, to me. Coop is a FIERCE competitor. Either way, these last 6 races will be a hell of a fight!

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3/30/2023 8:28am
Funny how Webb never has finger guns or snarky comments for Tomac    Either way it’s gonna be a badass final few rounds of SX 

Funny how Webb never has finger guns or snarky comments for Tomac Huh

 

Either way it’s gonna be a badass final few rounds of SX 

Respect your elders

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3/30/2023 8:57am
Funny how Webb never has finger guns or snarky comments for Tomac    Either way it’s gonna be a badass final few rounds of SX 

Funny how Webb never has finger guns or snarky comments for Tomac Huh

 

Either way it’s gonna be a badass final few rounds of SX 

jevyguy wrote:

Respect your elders

More like respect the guy that, if fired up, will wax your ass all the way to the championship

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3/30/2023 8:57am

For the first time in a while with Webb healthy and in the fight for the title. Daytona was the first sign of mental defeat from losing to Tomac. Then in Seattle, after he gave it everything, he couldn't catch Tomac. Looking at Webb's face after that race, he was mentally and physically beat by Tomac. Webb may have been broken for the first time in his career.

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3/30/2023 9:01am

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

I'm not sure you know what the whole "2.0" phrase means. That would infer he's better than RC which is laughable

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

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HonDawg17 wrote:
For the first time in a while with Webb healthy and in the fight for the title. Daytona was the first sign of mental defeat from...

For the first time in a while with Webb healthy and in the fight for the title. Daytona was the first sign of mental defeat from losing to Tomac. Then in Seattle, after he gave it everything, he couldn't catch Tomac. Looking at Webb's face after that race, he was mentally and physically beat by Tomac. Webb may have been broken for the first time in his career.

I don't really agree. He just seemed frustrated. Really, fueled up with motivation for next week. A desire to be better and defeat is a motivator. I dont think he will beat eli but I don't think webb is breakable either.

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3/30/2023 9:05am Edited Date/Time 3/30/2023 2:39pm
HonDawg17 wrote:
For the first time in a while with Webb healthy and in the fight for the title. Daytona was the first sign of mental defeat from...

For the first time in a while with Webb healthy and in the fight for the title. Daytona was the first sign of mental defeat from losing to Tomac. Then in Seattle, after he gave it everything, he couldn't catch Tomac. Looking at Webb's face after that race, he was mentally and physically beat by Tomac. Webb may have been broken for the first time in his career.

I’m a big ET fan and generally dislike Webb. (Not because of his riding) but I’ve watched Webb enough to know he’s not mentally beaten as much as pissed. He’s one persistent SOB and wouldn’t surprise me a bit if he wins the title. Dudes like a damn pit Bull when he gets his jaws in something he’s not gonna let go. 

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3/30/2023 11:53am

I’d bet $1000 Tomac wins the title. Webb is really great but Tomac is goat 2.0

I'm not sure you know what the whole "2.0" phrase means. That would infer he's better than RC which is laughable

Cobbler wrote:

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

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3/30/2023 11:59am
cwel11 wrote:

You suspect the guy who has won 4 outdoor national titles to not perform outdoors this summer?  

If it was a given, how do you explain 2020?

PB729 wrote:
I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was...

I've always thought it was because he was not happy with, or not comfortable on his bike. The fact that he went to Yamaha and was allowed to change what he wanted...and then won both championships seems to add some credibility to that theory? 

Well he was comfortable enough with the bike and Team in April/May to wrap up the 2020 SX title, then all of a sudden not comfortable?!

the stress of the 2020 SX season wore him down. 
 

all I’m saying is I can see it wearing on him again this year.
 

 

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Tomac usually gets faster at the end of the season, the guy is a clutch hitter if I ever saw one.  

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3/30/2023 12:13pm

I'm not sure you know what the whole "2.0" phrase means. That would infer he's better than RC which is laughable

Cobbler wrote:

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

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Better? Than RC?    RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second. And even if Eli won SX and...

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

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3/30/2023 12:41pm Edited Date/Time 3/30/2023 1:20pm
Cobbler wrote:

genuine question, why is that laughable? I'm not neck deep in stats but from my perspective it seems pretty realistic to say he is.

Kevin852 wrote:
Better? Than RC?    RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second. And even if Eli won SX and...

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

Cobbler wrote:

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

3 (not 4) straight 125/lites then 7 (not 6,  thanks toomanykaws for the correction) straight 250/450. And was leading for a 8th title but retired midway through the season, with the points lead. 

Won on 2-stroke and 4-stroke. 

Two undefeated/perfect seasons (did not lose a moto) plus one more season were he lost a few motos but won all 12 overalls. 

And in the middle of that RC won 1 regional SX title and 5 SX titles. and likely woul dhave 6 but sat out a year in his prime with ACL recovery. Oh yeah, won some MXdN too.... 

He lead something like 89% of laps during those two perfect seasons as well. 

Eli is a bad dude but there may never be another RC. 

I mean to be even close Jett would have to in the next 6 outdoor titles to even be considered as better than RC outdoors as he is moving up to 450 after two 250 outdoor titles. 

 

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Kevin852 wrote:
Better? Than RC?    RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second. And even if Eli won SX and...

Better? Than RC? 

 

RC NEVER lost an outdoor title. in 10 years. Think abut that for a second.

And even if Eli won SX and MX this year he is still not on even ground when it comes to titles.

 

Cobbler wrote:

He really won 10 straight outdoor titles? I know its some 'lites' and then onto premier but is that foreal? 

Kevin852 wrote:
3 (not 4) straight 125/lites then 7 (not 6,  thanks toomanykaws for the correction) straight 250/450. And was leading for a 8th title but retired midway...

3 (not 4) straight 125/lites then 7 (not 6,  thanks toomanykaws for the correction) straight 250/450. And was leading for a 8th title but retired midway through the season, with the points lead. 

Won on 2-stroke and 4-stroke. 

Two undefeated/perfect seasons (did not lose a moto) plus one more season were he lost a few motos but won all 12 overalls. 

And in the middle of that RC won 1 regional SX title and 5 SX titles. and likely woul dhave 6 but sat out a year in his prime with ACL recovery. Oh yeah, won some MXdN too.... 

He lead something like 89% of laps during those two perfect seasons as well. 

Eli is a bad dude but there may never be another RC. 

I mean to be even close Jett would have to in the next 6 outdoor titles to even be considered as better than RC outdoors as he is moving up to 450 after two 250 outdoor titles. 

 

Yeah, I see what you mean. So, how many of those did he compete against james or chad? I don't think the competition was nearly what it is now but i also don't think it was easy to come by at all.

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I hope they are within two points going into Salt Lake City.  Winner takes all.  

with the way our spring has been there's going to be rain, sleet, and snow on race day.  would be the second time i've seen a supercross race in the snow

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