The GOAT

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Let’s take RC out of the picture, and add up the titles of his competitors who finished second to him and would have won had he...

Let’s take RC out of the picture, and add up the titles of his competitors who finished second to him and would have won had he not been there:

Seb Tortelli - 2x World Champ, 1x MX Champ

KW - 5x MX champ

Chad Reed - 2x MX Champ, 3x SX champ

James Stewart - 3x SX champ, 3x MX champ

Tim Ferry - 1x MX champ

DV - 1x SX Champ

Jeremy McGrath - 8x SX champ, 1x MX champ

 

seems pretty stacked to me…

 

WTF_M8 wrote:

RC was winning by a pretty considerable margin time and points wise.

So, there was a lack of competition.

 

So the margin that one wins with means lack of competition....that's has to be one of the dumbest things I've read on here in a while.

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1/3/2023 12:40pm Edited Date/Time 1/3/2023 12:42pm
Let’s take RC out of the picture, and add up the titles of his competitors who finished second to him and would have won had he...

Let’s take RC out of the picture, and add up the titles of his competitors who finished second to him and would have won had he not been there:

Seb Tortelli - 2x World Champ, 1x MX Champ

KW - 5x MX champ

Chad Reed - 2x MX Champ, 3x SX champ

James Stewart - 3x SX champ, 3x MX champ

Tim Ferry - 1x MX champ

DV - 1x SX Champ

Jeremy McGrath - 8x SX champ, 1x MX champ

 

seems pretty stacked to me…

 

WTF_M8 wrote:

RC was winning by a pretty considerable margin time and points wise.

So, there was a lack of competition.

 

DonM wrote:

So the margin that one wins with means lack of competition....that's has to be one of the dumbest things I've read on here in a while.

Dumb? Are you slow?

Nobody on his ass or within 10 seconds = no competition.

Everybody else was racing for 2nd.

 

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1/3/2023 4:49pm

RC would also go to the MXDN and smoke the worlds best.  Anyone doubting his dominence or greatness is delusional.

 

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1/4/2023 8:36pm

Here we go again… the old “ he had no competition” 

His records will never be matched. 
 

GOAT

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1/4/2023 9:48pm
Gollum wrote:
I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when...

I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when hearing the term GOAT applied in other sports. You really think that because someone is the most popular guy on sportsball team that he is Greatest of All Time at throwing or catching a sportsball? Lets get real, the term MVP is much more accurate in describing the most popular member of a given sportsball team

Jordan is the GOAT of basketball 

Ali is the GOAT of boxing

it can work for other sports I think.. 

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the Goat title is pretty cheesy name for Ricky. The most dominant Mx rider  is better. What about MC he has the most sx wins and championships.  Is he not a goat or is he the indoor goat? I saw Ricky 1st win at Gainsville crazy that he won for so many yrs. 

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Single_Sac wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3795062-goat-tops-schools-list-of-banished-words-for-2023/ Hopefully there will be less use the the GOAT word in Supercross Broadcasts.   I mean no disrespect, but I have always thought the term is...

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3795062-goat-tops-schools-list-of-banished-words-for-2023/

Hopefully there will be less use the the GOAT word in Supercross Broadcasts.   I mean no disrespect, but I have always thought the term is lame.  

 

Referring to an article by a group of university judges, who have a list of banished words, on a moto forum!

Definition of LAME

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1/5/2023 11:18am

This isn’t a discussion about whether or not Ricky is the best ever, it’s about whether or not GOAT is a stupid word. Y’all are halfway into page two and already don’t know what the thread is about. 

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1/5/2023 1:04pm Edited Date/Time 1/5/2023 1:20pm
Gollum wrote:
Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help...

Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help of a "team." And boxing is way different than moto, they face one opponent at a time as opposed to the entire field of competition. Even so, its very subjective to say Cassius clay was the GOAT when you had mike tyson and certainly mayweather with better performances or win records. Again its just a very subjective classification in those cases, someone is called the "GOAT" by one random announcer and now half the viewers feel like going with that nickname too, because that's what they were told to do and about half of all people will just do whatever they're told or go with the narrative presented to the group

Mike Tyson? Mike isn't even in the same conversation as Ali, and he would personally punch you in the face for saying such a thing. If you don't know anything about boxing please don't bother trying to debate this. 

Also not sure why you're calling him "Cassius Clay", other than to pretend you actually know something about him.

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1/5/2023 1:28pm

Here we go again… the old “ he had no competition” 

His records will never be matched. 
 

GOAT

100% agree.  However, to say he had no competition can also be viewed as a compliment. To this day, I don't think there is any competition for early and mid-2000's RC.  That's not to say that they suck, it simply highlights how outstanding RC was.

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1/5/2023 1:43pm

On 10/25/22 I had to put my dog down. He was named GOAT after Ricky Carmichael. To me, it’s the greatest name ever. 

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Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the...

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the Goat title is pretty cheesy name for Ricky. The most dominant Mx rider  is better. What about MC he has the most sx wins and championships.  Is he not a goat or is he the indoor goat? I saw Ricky 1st win at Gainsville crazy that he won for so many yrs. 

Ricky is the GOAT.

MC is THE KING.

Do you even know the sport of motocross?

RC lost only 3 titles out of 15 he entered once he got into the 250 class. '99 SX 16th, '00 SX 5th, '04 SX (didn't race because of ACL surgery) 

He won EVERY Championship he entered since 2000 MX until 2006 MX. Not only did he go 24-0 for 2 perfect seasons in '02 & '04. He also had a perfect overall win season in 2005 MX. 3 perfect seasons. NO ONE is ever going to touch those kind of records.

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1/5/2023 5:06pm

I think to be the Goat you have to have the stats.

Jordan has every stat except longevity and part of that is because he left to play baseball because his dad died.

RC is definitely the goat.

Ali said he was the goat but his stats aren’t as good as other boxers. I don’t even think Ali is the greatest heavyweight. Joe Louis held the title for 10-15 years or something crazy like that and lost 3 fights. He won like 66 fights with 55 KO’s.

Sugar Ray Robinson is the Goat in my eyes. He went like 49-0 and moved up a weight class and lost and then he went 90-0. He fought like 200 fights and lost when he was well past his prime

1/5/2023 5:49pm Edited Date/Time 1/5/2023 5:51pm
Gollum wrote:
I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when...

I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when hearing the term GOAT applied in other sports. You really think that because someone is the most popular guy on sportsball team that he is Greatest of All Time at throwing or catching a sportsball? Lets get real, the term MVP is much more accurate in describing the most popular member of a given sportsball team

First time I ever heard it used was for Ricky, but outside of football and some mma I don't watch many other sports. I've heard it used for Anderson Silva and Fedor Emelianenko but it was years after RC was called that.

1/5/2023 6:10pm

MC: 72 sx wins

RC: 48 sx wins

I agree referring to RC as the GOAT during a sx broadcast is cringeworthy 

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Ahhh, is it time for SX yet? 

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Single_Sac wrote:
https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3795062-goat-tops-schools-list-of-banished-words-for-2023/ Hopefully there will be less use the the GOAT word in Supercross Broadcasts.   I mean no disrespect, but I have always thought the term is...

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/3795062-goat-tops-schools-list-of-banished-words-for-2023/

Hopefully there will be less use the the GOAT word in Supercross Broadcasts.   I mean no disrespect, but I have always thought the term is lame.  

 

1st like Bro! 

 

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1/5/2023 6:51pm

RC is the GOAT. He had that throttle taped all the way back for over a decade. He never let off once. Pinned. It was great to witness in person.  It's just an acronym, don't sweat it. 

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1/6/2023 3:03am
MudPup545 wrote:

On 10/25/22 I had to put my dog down. He was named GOAT after Ricky Carmichael. To me, it’s the greatest name ever. 

Great name. Sorry for your loss, dogs are the best, most loyal animals in the world. We honestly don't deserve them. 

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1/6/2023 3:11am
Gollum wrote:
Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help...

Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help of a "team." And boxing is way different than moto, they face one opponent at a time as opposed to the entire field of competition. Even so, its very subjective to say Cassius clay was the GOAT when you had mike tyson and certainly mayweather with better performances or win records. Again its just a very subjective classification in those cases, someone is called the "GOAT" by one random announcer and now half the viewers feel like going with that nickname too, because that's what they were told to do and about half of all people will just do whatever they're told or go with the narrative presented to the group

I agree with not calling a person who plays a team sport the GOAT, they are still relying on other teammates to win. 

But boxing, mma, moto, or any other sport where it all falls on your shoulders and your shoulders alone is where that term could be used. RC is the GOAT. 

1/6/2023 3:21am
DonM wrote:
Jordan was the greatest basketball player to ever play the game…Brady the greatest QB to ever play the game….they deserve the moniker just as RC does...

Jordan was the greatest basketball player to ever play the game…Brady the greatest QB to ever play the game….they deserve the moniker just as RC does for being the greatest MX racer to race….

Brady is only considered the GOAT because the NFL values high scoring. Everytime the guy gets touched he's looking at the ref for a flag, just like LeBron in the boring a$$ NBA. If those 2 played when Jordan and Montana played they would be retired already. Qbs in the 80's and 90's used to get laid out regularly and it was all part of the game. Brady would have never lasted in that era. Why do you think every year now all types of offensive records are being broken?

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1/6/2023 3:47am

Jordan is the GOAT of basketball 

Ali is the GOAT of boxing

it can work for other sports I think.. 

Gollum wrote:
Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help...

Wholeheartedly disagree with you there. First of all you mention "team" sports. Michael jordan or whoever never won a single event themselves, only with the help of a "team." And boxing is way different than moto, they face one opponent at a time as opposed to the entire field of competition. Even so, its very subjective to say Cassius clay was the GOAT when you had mike tyson and certainly mayweather with better performances or win records. Again its just a very subjective classification in those cases, someone is called the "GOAT" by one random announcer and now half the viewers feel like going with that nickname too, because that's what they were told to do and about half of all people will just do whatever they're told or go with the narrative presented to the group

Michael Jordan definitely won some games by himself while making everyone else look like a fool. Shit most basketball players will say the same thing and do.  

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DonM wrote:
Jordan was the greatest basketball player to ever play the game…Brady the greatest QB to ever play the game….they deserve the moniker just as RC does...

Jordan was the greatest basketball player to ever play the game…Brady the greatest QB to ever play the game….they deserve the moniker just as RC does for being the greatest MX racer to race….

Brady is only considered the GOAT because the NFL values high scoring. Everytime the guy gets touched he's looking at the ref for a flag, just...

Brady is only considered the GOAT because the NFL values high scoring. Everytime the guy gets touched he's looking at the ref for a flag, just like LeBron in the boring a$$ NBA. If those 2 played when Jordan and Montana played they would be retired already. Qbs in the 80's and 90's used to get laid out regularly and it was all part of the game. Brady would have never lasted in that era. Why do you think every year now all types of offensive records are being broken?

He's the GOAT for his seven rings....just like RC nobody is even close...

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1/6/2023 4:48am
Gollum wrote:
I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when...

I think GOAT probably or fairly applies to RC, at least until someone else comes and breaks all his outdoor records. But honestly I cringe when hearing the term GOAT applied in other sports. You really think that because someone is the most popular guy on sportsball team that he is Greatest of All Time at throwing or catching a sportsball? Lets get real, the term MVP is much more accurate in describing the most popular member of a given sportsball team

Jordan is the GOAT of basketball 

Ali is the GOAT of boxing

it can work for other sports I think.. 

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the...

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the Goat title is pretty cheesy name for Ricky. The most dominant Mx rider  is better. What about MC he has the most sx wins and championships.  Is he not a goat or is he the indoor goat? I saw Ricky 1st win at Gainsville crazy that he won for so many yrs. 

Joe Louis.

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1/6/2023 4:59am
DonM wrote:

He's the GOAT for his seven rings....just like RC nobody is even close...

Team sports require several other guys to get the job done. RC did it all on his own. He didn't have to rely on an offensive line, an rb, Gronk, Edelman, Welker, Vinatieri. Oh ya or a defense to stop the other team. Or let's be honest the refs and the strict rules that handcuffed defenders.  Apples and oranges.

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DonM wrote:

He's the GOAT for his seven rings....just like RC nobody is even close...

Team sports require several other guys to get the job done. RC did it all on his own. He didn't have to rely on an offensive...

Team sports require several other guys to get the job done. RC did it all on his own. He didn't have to rely on an offensive line, an rb, Gronk, Edelman, Welker, Vinatieri. Oh ya or a defense to stop the other team. Or let's be honest the refs and the strict rules that handcuffed defenders.  Apples and oranges.

Hey I didn't name him that, the sports world did and I'm just telling you why...

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MC: 72 sx wins

RC: 48 sx wins

I agree referring to RC as the GOAT during a sx broadcast is cringeworthy 

Its called Greatest Of All Time., Not greatest in supercross. Carmichael was the greatest all around motocross rider indoors and outdoors. That's why we call MC the King of Supercross. No one is touching 7 SX titles and 72 wins for a very long time. Just like NO ONE is going to win the AMA Motocross Championship every single time they enter a season. He won 8 straight and never lost.. GOAT.

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1/6/2023 1:41pm

Jordan is the GOAT of basketball 

Ali is the GOAT of boxing

it can work for other sports I think.. 

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the...

Basketball stars don’t consider mj the best ever. Biggest hyped player yes. Ali was the biggest hyped boxer. Entertaining yes the best No. I think the Goat title is pretty cheesy name for Ricky. The most dominant Mx rider  is better. What about MC he has the most sx wins and championships.  Is he not a goat or is he the indoor goat? I saw Ricky 1st win at Gainsville crazy that he won for so many yrs. 

ShipLap wrote:

Joe Louis.

What about Rocky Marciano?

 

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1/6/2023 1:54pm

Here we go again… the old “ he had no competition” 

His records will never be matched. 
 

GOAT

jnickell wrote:
100% agree.  However, to say he had no competition can also be viewed as a compliment. To this day, I don't think there is any competition...

100% agree.  However, to say he had no competition can also be viewed as a compliment. To this day, I don't think there is any competition for early and mid-2000's RC.  That's not to say that they suck, it simply highlights how outstanding RC was.

Tortelli was every bit as fast, and I'd even say faster in 2000-01 but he couldn't stay off the ground, and had a few bad luck dnf's from what I remember.

 

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Rawly wrote:
What’s your suggestion if we can’t call him THE GOAT ?  That’s a whole lot of #1 plates.   

What’s your suggestion if we can’t call him THE GOAT ?  That’s a whole lot of #1 plates. 

 

Based on those not-so-subtly placed #1 plate, he is "the One" Sick

Anybody that wins a championship is number one. Until they can fill a wall with more #1 plates they can't take Ricky's title, whatever that is. 

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