How do you teach ‘intensity’?

9/28/2022 4:19am
jbrow125 wrote:
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's...
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's probably sitting on his computer playing games most his free time. It's taught when your Dad whoops your ass. It's taught when your coaches line you up against all the bigger guys until you cry. You can't teach someone to be tough. Unless you start really, really, early. And others, just have it. So. Tell him to have fun and be safe.

Why the hell do you want a "complete novice at 20" to have "intensity" anyways?
Because he asks: “how can I be better”

And I say: “well your technique is good, your lines are good, you just have to ride with more heart and intensity”

Hence asking- how do you teach someone to ride with more intensity??
I get it, it’s got to come from within him.

He Says he wants to go faster, but does he Really want to go faster?? I guess only he can answer that.
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9/28/2022 4:25am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2022 4:25am
My cousins lad has just started riding MX. He’s 20 years old, averagely fit. Complete novice. He can ride ok. He can get around the track...
My cousins lad has just started riding MX.

He’s 20 years old, averagely fit. Complete novice.

He can ride ok. He can get around the track without a problem. Operating the bike without a problem, standing, seated, His posture is actually pretty decent. If you give him a tip on lines or body technique, he will take note and do it,

But his problem…
No intensity! He’s literally rolling around the track like he’s riding to the store to pick up a soda. There’s no ‘rush’ in his riding. Not pushing to try and go faster.
He won’t hold the throttle tapped. He won’t Rev it out.

How do you teach intensity?
1. He's just started
2. Does he want to be taught?
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9/28/2022 5:28am
jbrow125 wrote:
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's...
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's probably sitting on his computer playing games most his free time. It's taught when your Dad whoops your ass. It's taught when your coaches line you up against all the bigger guys until you cry. You can't teach someone to be tough. Unless you start really, really, early. And others, just have it. So. Tell him to have fun and be safe.

Why the hell do you want a "complete novice at 20" to have "intensity" anyways?
Because he asks: “how can I be better” And I say: “well your technique is good, your lines are good, you just have to ride with...
Because he asks: “how can I be better”

And I say: “well your technique is good, your lines are good, you just have to ride with more heart and intensity”

Hence asking- how do you teach someone to ride with more intensity??
I get it, it’s got to come from within him.

He Says he wants to go faster, but does he Really want to go faster?? I guess only he can answer that.
I'm glad you replied to my post. What I wrote was worded very much as an asshole. Good on you for helping these folks out. I hope he stays safe, keeps enjoying the bike, and finds what he's looking for in racing.
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9/28/2022 6:32am
It's probably more nurtured, encouraged, and inspired, than taught.
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9/28/2022 6:51am
I think trying to teach someone completely new to the sport intensity is bad. He needs to learn how to ride first. Most slow dudes don’t have much intensity…it’s like learning to whip when you can’t even hit a corner properly..just let him ride.
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9/28/2022 6:54am
He’s just started. He just need seat time.

Keith Code has written a few street riding technique manuals and runs CA super bike school. One of the big things he talks about is attention allocation, and it’s something that really transfers to every activity you can park take in.

The general concept is that you only have so much attention to give. When you first start, just riding the bike takes a lot of attention. As a beginner, coming into a turn, for example, might need 20% focus on braking, 50% on body position, 20% on steering, 10% on looking through the turn correctly. You spend just about everything on just getting around the track. When you advance you start doing things without thinking about them. Maybe braking takes 5%, body position 20%, steering 10% and vision 5%. By developing good habits you can free up attention to focus on different aspects of your riding or, in your nephew’s friend’s case, upping intensity.

As usual, seat time is #1 and developing good habits is a close second.
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9/28/2022 7:55am
Buy a pit board and show him his lap times. Let him latch onto the concept on his own. If his time is better than the previous lap, give him a thumbs up. Soon he will come into the pits and discuss with you where you think he can make up more time. The added bonus of this is, that it will teach him to race the track and not his fellow competitors.
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9/28/2022 8:10am
Alan Dove wrote:
1. He's just started
2. Does he want to be taught?
Well,
1- he’s just finishing up his first season of racing. That’s 12 race days and multiple practice days.

2- he Says “can you help me go faster”
But if he really means it, who knows?
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9/28/2022 8:11am
He’s just started. He just need seat time. Keith Code has written a few street riding technique manuals and runs CA super bike school. One of...
He’s just started. He just need seat time.

Keith Code has written a few street riding technique manuals and runs CA super bike school. One of the big things he talks about is attention allocation, and it’s something that really transfers to every activity you can park take in.

The general concept is that you only have so much attention to give. When you first start, just riding the bike takes a lot of attention. As a beginner, coming into a turn, for example, might need 20% focus on braking, 50% on body position, 20% on steering, 10% on looking through the turn correctly. You spend just about everything on just getting around the track. When you advance you start doing things without thinking about them. Maybe braking takes 5%, body position 20%, steering 10% and vision 5%. By developing good habits you can free up attention to focus on different aspects of your riding or, in your nephew’s friend’s case, upping intensity.

As usual, seat time is #1 and developing good habits is a close second.
Blimey I remember Keith Code! I had one of his books years ago, I’ll see if I can find it! Great reminder, Thankyou.
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9/28/2022 8:14am
If the OP is not just projecting his own seeming need to see 'intensity' from his relo, and said relo ( "a 20 year old complete novice" ) really is wanting to be better, find a Coach / Riding school and get some training.

Even if he doesn't get to the 'intensity' level desired by 'whomever', he'll learn the right / better techniques, and, through that, be a better, safer, faster rider, and, possibly have more fun - because that really is what riding is all about.
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9/28/2022 8:15am
Well, 1- he’s just finishing up his first season of racing. That’s 12 race days and multiple practice days. 2- he [i]Says[/i] “can you help me...
Well,
1- he’s just finishing up his first season of racing. That’s 12 race days and multiple practice days.

2- he Says “can you help me go faster”
But if he really means it, who knows?
Intensity is an opaque concept. It can mean different things to different people.

If he says "can you teach him to go faster" than maybe focus on the specifics of that. As someone who rode a bike later in life, you feel jacked and feeling quick, then you watch some video and it's an embarrassment. He might already be feeling quite intense.

9/28/2022 8:16am
I think trying to teach someone completely new to the sport intensity is bad. He needs to learn how to ride first. Most slow dudes don’t...
I think trying to teach someone completely new to the sport intensity is bad. He needs to learn how to ride first. Most slow dudes don’t have much intensity…it’s like learning to whip when you can’t even hit a corner properly..just let him ride.
Maybe I was a little off with the “complete novice”

He’s just finishing up his first season of racing, that’s 12 race days and multiple practices.

He can RIDE perfectly competently…. Just at ‘commuter’ pace not ‘racer’ pace.Laughing
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9/28/2022 9:03am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2022 11:53am
I think trying to teach someone completely new to the sport intensity is bad. He needs to learn how to ride first. Most slow dudes don’t...
I think trying to teach someone completely new to the sport intensity is bad. He needs to learn how to ride first. Most slow dudes don’t have much intensity…it’s like learning to whip when you can’t even hit a corner properly..just let him ride.
Maybe I was a little off with the “complete novice” He’s just finishing up his first season of racing, that’s 12 race days and multiple practices...
Maybe I was a little off with the “complete novice”

He’s just finishing up his first season of racing, that’s 12 race days and multiple practices.

He can RIDE perfectly competently…. Just at ‘commuter’ pace not ‘racer’ pace.Laughing
Practice starts & go all the way thru and a gear-shift beyond the 1st turn.

Do a full lap with every 4th or 5th start.

Really work on form and line choice getting into the 1st turn including “closing the door”/defending the inside.

Form…body position and posture. Study some races of his or your favorite pros from recorded SX/MX/GP races and try to utilize what you’re seeing the pros do by getting him to replicate their from/style where he needs it. Simple things like where your feet are on the pegs matters quite a bit (balls of your feet versus arches). When to sit and when to stand…getting up and down/on & off the seat smoothly with purpose and how to hold on with your legs…etc.

Practice doing laps for time periods that are a little longer (10-20%) than the length of his races. Have him start each session with some practice starts.

Getting good starts will usually, on its own, ramp up “intensity”. Giving some purpose to practice days also ramps up an athletes purpose and intensity.

Good luck!

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9/28/2022 9:22am
My 14 year old has been skiing for 8 years. Hes fallen down 3 times. Hes has zero intensity. Its who he is. Exact opposite of me . The milkman is also very relaxed.
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9/28/2022 9:45am Edited Date/Time 9/28/2022 9:45am
One of the best pieces of advice I ever got came from Rick Johnson. He said to focus on the fundamentals first. Perfect those, and the intensity will follow. Focus on one area at a time (e.g. braking into corners, body position and exiting). Perfect it. Follow with intensity. Build on this with each area of fundamentals then put it all together.
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9/28/2022 9:57am
number six wrote:
Look to the operant conditioning method of motivation for the results you seek. [img]https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2022/09/27/570867/s1200_557539465_1092255bbc_w.jpg[/img]

Look to the operant conditioning method of motivation for the results you seek.


and if that doesn't work, this will!!! !
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9/28/2022 10:07am
Thanks for all the replies. I should’ve mentioned, he IS racing and he DOES want to go faster. Oh and I’m not trying to be his...
Thanks for all the replies.

I should’ve mentioned, he IS racing and he DOES want to go faster.
Oh and I’m not trying to be his ‘mini-dad’.

I raced for 25 years to a half-decent level. He and his dad look to me to give him the answers on how to improve. I don’t really know what to tell him other than at this point he needs to just ride with more effort.

Oh and I think he’ll be having more fun if he’s getting better race results. At the moment he gets down in the dumps because in his words he’s “shit at riding”
sumdood wrote:
Didn't Hannah say he hated other riders and fed off that energy ? Maybe a simple mind trick like pretending the guy in front of him...
Didn't Hannah say he hated other riders and fed off that energy ? Maybe a simple mind trick like pretending the guy in front of him just fucked his girlfriend or roosted his Mom in the face and laughed about it and called her a cunt or something. I mean if he wants to get faster and just winning the race isn't enough motivation to get him into aggro attack fuck you mode, have him think of something that would. A friend I raced for years said he used to pretend the cops were chasing him Laughing
So sort of like the Waterboy? Laughing

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9/28/2022 10:31am
It would be interesting to talk to Nick Wey about this subject with regards to his work with Joe Shmoe.
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9/28/2022 10:34am
Maybe I was a little off with the “complete novice” He’s just finishing up his first season of racing, that’s 12 race days and multiple practices...
Maybe I was a little off with the “complete novice”

He’s just finishing up his first season of racing, that’s 12 race days and multiple practices.

He can RIDE perfectly competently…. Just at ‘commuter’ pace not ‘racer’ pace.Laughing
You dont learn to race in a year, you learn what you need to learn .

Some people can ride for years and still look they won the bike in a raffle that morning, others, are a slow burn, but understand that being on the right place on the track , is the key.

The best advice i can give is to ride with different people , racing the same place every week, gets you in a mental rut, go different places, and race different folk.

And know when to stay home and leave it alone.. i have friends ( no, really , i do) who will be out all winter wherever is open , learning nothing, other than how to wash bikes and fit worn out bits, rather than picking their days.

Where you are in the UK matters too, as to what riding you can get done, that is worthwhile.

There are lots of 'training days' , some good, some bad, depending on what level you are at , which can help, but at the end of the day, you have got to want to go fast.
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9/28/2022 11:43am
TalinH112 wrote:
I hear Ricky Bobby trained with a live cougar in the car.
He’s already 20 years old so he’s probably learned everything about sex that he’s ever going to know, hooking up with an older woman probably won’t change that… much.
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9/28/2022 12:33pm
Some of it relates to confidence, which may improve as skill improves, but he may just not have the fearless gene that allows people like Travis to break themselves over and over again.

You might try videoing his riding to show what lack of intensity looks like.

But in terms of motivation, it's usually easier to guide people to dial it down rather than to dial it up.
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9/28/2022 12:44pm
For a 'complete novice', intensity = crash. For a skilled rider, intensity = win.

Maybe focus on fundamentals now.
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9/28/2022 2:47pm
Desire to win builds intensity, being competitive builds intensity. Intensity is built from within.
9/28/2022 6:48pm
jbrow125 wrote:
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's...
He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's probably sitting on his computer playing games most his free time. It's taught when your Dad whoops your ass. It's taught when your coaches line you up against all the bigger guys until you cry. You can't teach someone to be tough. Unless you start really, really, early. And others, just have it. So. Tell him to have fun and be safe.

Why the hell do you want a "complete novice at 20" to have "intensity" anyways?
Because he asks: “how can I be better” And I say: “well your technique is good, your lines are good, you just have to ride with...
Because he asks: “how can I be better”

And I say: “well your technique is good, your lines are good, you just have to ride with more heart and intensity”

Hence asking- how do you teach someone to ride with more intensity??
I get it, it’s got to come from within him.

He Says he wants to go faster, but does he Really want to go faster?? I guess only he can answer that.
jbrow125 wrote:
I'm glad you replied to my post. What I wrote was worded very much as an asshole. Good on you for helping these folks out. I...
I'm glad you replied to my post. What I wrote was worded very much as an asshole. Good on you for helping these folks out. I hope he stays safe, keeps enjoying the bike, and finds what he's looking for in racing.
There's another angle that hasn't been brought up.
Is he saying the things you want to hear?
Maybe he's riding in his comfort zone. If he's new to the sport, maybe this is intense "to him". You know your brain is calibrated over a long period of time to realize danger.
You have been riding long enough to be desensitized to it.
What are his other hobbies and habbits that would lead you to believe he'll jump on a bike and risk bodily injury for a plastic trophy? Is he an otherwise intense person?
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9/28/2022 7:48pm
Is he drinking the correct energy drink? Just something to think about.
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9/28/2022 8:09pm
Another thing to keep in mind is riding style can play a roll in this. I can be trying as hard as I can possibly go and to an observer it will still look like I'm on a sunday cruise, it's just my riding style because I stand a lot and don't rev the bike out much. If it ever looked like I was riding with intensity I would be waaaaay over my head. . .
9/28/2022 9:26pm
My Dad always threatened to take my truck away, from then on it was checkers or wreckers. I wasn't losing my love mobile.
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9/28/2022 9:35pm
Confidence inspires intensity
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9/28/2022 10:45pm Edited Date/Time 9/29/2022 10:08pm
Intensity comes natural if you’re having fun.
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