How do you teach ‘intensity’?

Edited Date/Time 9/29/2022 10:49pm
My cousins lad has just started riding MX.

He’s 20 years old, averagely fit. Complete novice.

He can ride ok. He can get around the track without a problem. Operating the bike without a problem, standing, seated, His posture is actually pretty decent. If you give him a tip on lines or body technique, he will take note and do it,

But his problem…
No intensity! He’s literally rolling around the track like he’s riding to the store to pick up a soda. There’s no ‘rush’ in his riding. Not pushing to try and go faster.
He won’t hold the throttle tapped. He won’t Rev it out.

How do you teach intensity?
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9/27/2022 11:20am
To quote Jerry Masterpool - ‘You can’t teach intensity, you either have it or you don’t.’ Can’t say I disagree, personally.
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9/27/2022 11:22am
i dont think you can, Because that comes with individual confidence and then there "want to" .. your "want to" can be higher or lower than somebody else's "want to"

Then from that point it turns into risk vs reward. and people are all over the board with this,

For instance myself, I want to go as fast as possible on vet tracks and bang out laps.
but when i hop on main tracks, the risk skews the feeling of reward for me. so i start to not jump and my confidence goes down and i ride slower.
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9/27/2022 11:39am
Interesting topic....
When my oldest first started racing i was in a similar situation as he was not very aggressive at all....
Well as we all know the start is the first part of racing that can be won with an aggressive approach....
Very hard to teach to a non aggressive racer...LOL
After he witnessed me putting in to practice what ive been teaching him and a couple tries of his own , he then experienced it for himself ..... and continued to do so....
The rest of the race was very vanilla for him , for the most part anyway....
At times he would fight but he is just a very calculated rider and im actually glad for that....
Would i ;love to see more aggression, yes, but if it isnt in them then it is what it is....
With all that said if there is something tangible for them it may "help"
If its just pushing them harder that may help as well but probably not on a very consistent basis at all....
My advice would be to give advice but dont get crazy with it , you may end up regretting it....
Let him ride within his comfort zone and enjoy himself!
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9/27/2022 11:50am
Is he racing? If not, then who cares?
My son is a lot like that. I wanted to have a supermini pro when he was younger, but now I see that he's just content to ride around and have fun. There's nothing wrong with that. He'll be injured a lot less.
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He's 20. He should just have fun. You can't teach this. Especially today, when everybody needs to love and accept each other. Not to mention, he's probably sitting on his computer playing games most his free time. It's taught when your Dad whoops your ass. It's taught when your coaches line you up against all the bigger guys until you cry. You can't teach someone to be tough. Unless you start really, really, early. And others, just have it. So. Tell him to have fun and be safe.

Why the hell do you want a "complete novice at 20" to have "intensity" anyways?
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Everyone is different... he is different than you.. if he rides with less intensity, that's just how he rides... let him have his fun, and you have yours...
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9/27/2022 12:00pm
Is there a short turn track he can ride at to work on just riding the bike harder without worrying about other riders and jumps etc on a big track?
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We train intensity by doing 3 lap sprints, timed, 2-3 times per riding day. He gets to do a warm up session for bike and body (3-4 laps) to ensure he's feeling good and the technique is solid. Then he pulls in to our start area, does a race start and a 3 lap sprint as fast as he can go. I stand next to the track and hit him with a shovel if he looks like he's not at 100%. LOL no I don't but we joke about it. To end the day he gets to do a fun session where he can throw whips and blow up berms and not focus on pure speed.

Once a week or so we do the same thing but for a 15-20 minute full moto. On occasion he will do this with other riders, but usually it's solo on a private track to reduce risk. Mine is 16 with 10 years of race experience.

There's no point in going for intensity if you are not racing and don't have a goal in mind. More speed, more intensity, higher risk. It's actually a bit scary at times because I can see how close to the edge he is, and the goal is to stay there, get comfortable, and move the edge out farther.
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My cousins lad has just started riding MX. He’s 20 years old, averagely fit. Complete novice. He can ride ok. He can get around the track...
My cousins lad has just started riding MX.

He’s 20 years old, averagely fit. Complete novice.

He can ride ok. He can get around the track without a problem. Operating the bike without a problem, standing, seated, His posture is actually pretty decent. If you give him a tip on lines or body technique, he will take note and do it,

But his problem…
No intensity! He’s literally rolling around the track like he’s riding to the store to pick up a soda. There’s no ‘rush’ in his riding. Not pushing to try and go faster.
He won’t hold the throttle tapped. He won’t Rev it out.

How do you teach intensity?
Is he actually racing ?

Cos if he is just rolling the local track for 'the gram' , then he will never get it.

Unless your ride starts behind a gate, intensity is pointless.

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9/27/2022 1:03pm
Before you can go short and fast, you need to be able to go long and slow.
Build his riding base up. 20 minutes at that slow pace you are reffering to for like a Month or even more.
Then as a lot of other folks said. 1-2 lap sprints. Intesity in takes time. Racing will help speed that up.
9/27/2022 2:17pm
Ride with him. Stuff him in the corner and pull away. When he gets up and gets going, stuff him again in the next corner and ride away. Do this like 6-8 times. If he gets fed up with your shit and starts trying to chase you down so he can give you a taste of your own medicine then he’ll be ok. If he pulls off the track and calls his mom then you’re wasting your time.
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9/27/2022 2:23pm
Intensity is like camping
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9/27/2022 2:23pm
If he genuinely enjoys it who gives a shit?
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9/27/2022 2:32pm
20 year old has a mini dad that's not even his dad
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9/27/2022 2:44pm
GrapeApe wrote:
20 year old has a mini dad that's not even his dad
This made me laugh .

i cant ride now , unless its a race, i cant get motivated to just ride round.

But my son gives me tons of shit if i dont race well .

i have a a mini dad for a son,
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9/27/2022 3:01pm
The more they want to win, the more the intensity grows.
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9/27/2022 3:05pm
Imo it’s inappropriate to try to make a complete novice ride with the throttle tapped or rev it out. He might look good and say hes fine but mentally at his limit. He will get it when hes ready
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9/27/2022 3:07pm
Whenever I feel like I”m not attacking the track…. I do starts with 2-3 laps sprints as others have noted. Nothing like a start to get the heart rate up…being pissed off or angry seems to help also….
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9/27/2022 3:10pm

Look to the operant conditioning method of motivation for the results you seek.


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9/27/2022 4:56pm
To a certain extend, You can’t…it’s a personality trait.

No matter how hard I try I’m never as intense as my brother…he’s faster than me…on the gas harder, brakes later, hits bumps harder…he’s just rides with more intensity than I do.

My son is like me…he has incredible balance, great throttle control, great line choice…but very little intensity on the track.

Some of us have it, some of us don’t…we all can’t be fast or none of us would be fast.
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9/27/2022 6:31pm
my dad used to say the same to me, and even got mad that i was coasting while winning the 250B. it was just my style. i didnt have the skill to ride crazy. it took a few year for him to see until i passed a guy that was spinning and sliding, and i was a gear taller. 250A class 1995.
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9/27/2022 6:55pm
To dang late
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9/27/2022 7:31pm
I hear Ricky Bobby trained with a live cougar in the car.
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9/27/2022 7:35pm
Shocked at the amount of people in here moralizing you to leave the guy alone and let him "have fun."

I think alot of you need some hormone help lol.
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9/27/2022 7:43pm
I tend to go through the motions when there aren't many other guys riding. I really enjoy riding with guys faster than me. My intensity goes through the roof, trying to latch onto them for as long as I can
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9/27/2022 7:50pm
Maybe he just trying to have fun? Perhaps doesn’t want to wreck his body trying to go faster and miss out on other things in his life.

Its the same thing with why some people will jump some big risky jumps and others wont.
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9/27/2022 9:13pm
Just my opinion here, most guys ride at a high intensity in their ow respects but dont know how to channel it into speed. Injuries made me quit riding 7 years ago so turned to SxS's and went pro doing that. I learned to relax my heart rate and be smoother while setting the same lap times. Then, when i turned up the intensity, my lap times dropped A LOT. I dont know how well that will translate to moto because i cant bring myself to swing a leg over a bike again but its a method that worked for me and seems applicable in a general sense.

as sandman said, riding pissed off always drops lap times Laughing
9/27/2022 10:32pm
Thanks for all the replies.

I should’ve mentioned, he IS racing and he DOES want to go faster.
Oh and I’m not trying to be his ‘mini-dad’.

I raced for 25 years to a half-decent level. He and his dad look to me to give him the answers on how to improve. I don’t really know what to tell him other than at this point he needs to just ride with more effort.

Oh and I think he’ll be having more fun if he’s getting better race results. At the moment he gets down in the dumps because in his words he’s “shit at riding”
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9/28/2022 12:49am
Thanks for all the replies. I should’ve mentioned, he IS racing and he DOES want to go faster. Oh and I’m not trying to be his...
Thanks for all the replies.

I should’ve mentioned, he IS racing and he DOES want to go faster.
Oh and I’m not trying to be his ‘mini-dad’.

I raced for 25 years to a half-decent level. He and his dad look to me to give him the answers on how to improve. I don’t really know what to tell him other than at this point he needs to just ride with more effort.

Oh and I think he’ll be having more fun if he’s getting better race results. At the moment he gets down in the dumps because in his words he’s “shit at riding”
Didn't Hannah say he hated other riders and fed off that energy ? Maybe a simple mind trick like pretending the guy in front of him just fucked his girlfriend or roosted his Mom in the face and laughed about it and called her a cunt or something. I mean if he wants to get faster and just winning the race isn't enough motivation to get him into aggro attack fuck you mode, have him think of something that would. A friend I raced for years said he used to pretend the cops were chasing him Laughing
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